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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 07:31 PM
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Time To Toughen Up.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 07:55 PM by 20score
A friend recently said to me that he thought Obama was weak because he gave the right-wing far too much power on issue after issue, time and time again. We had been discussing healthcare, offshore drilling and abstinence education. In all three of these subjects, the left ended up with less than they expected, and the right came out with more than they deserved. I countered that I thought it was the left that was weak, and not Obama. In my estimation, this has been the case for decades. Whether the subject is labor rights, war, trade, economics or healthcare, what is being labeled as “the left” is the first faction to be closed out of the conversation. And the marginalization of the left continues irrespective of the strength of the arguments or the number of people making said arguments. In many cases the positions held by the left are also held by, not just a plurality of the country, but a clear majority.

This is not because individuals on the left are weak themselves, as many on the right believe. There are millions of progressives that show the strength of heroes on a daily basis. This is because the right holds positions that overlap with corporate interests. And when corporations and moneyed interests come down on one side of a particular issue, that side is then labeled as the “moderate” position by the media. Then, it is just a matter of time until the moderate position is codified by law. The reasons for the overlap between the right and the corporations are un-important for this subject matter, but it is very hard to deny that the overlap exists.

This problem of the left losing battle after battle is more than just some people getting the short end of the stick - our health as a nation depends on the tide turning. During the 1930’s labor and the left were winning battle after battle and the middle class expanded and became much stronger because of those wins. Some of the recent wins for the corporations and the right include, deregulation of the financial industries, the Iraq War, trade deals that favor multi-nationals over American jobs, TARP, the PATRIOT ACT, privatization of schools, prisons and highways, and tax codes that siphon money to the top. There are many more of course, but those examples alone have harmed the country in myriad ways.

There are two ideas that I hope will help turn the tide in a direction more favorable to the left and the country as a whole. First, toughen up and be loyal to ideals and not a person. Compromise on tactics, not principles. Although it is a given that not all battles should be fought to the bitter end, and we should pick our battles and be ready to compromise in many circumstances, that compromise should not include a complete sellout of your main platform. How much better would the healthcare bill now be, if the left had demanded a public option as strongly as the right demanded that the non-existent death-panels be removed? And standing up for principles does not mean that you have sold out your own side. Some use the very weak and illogical argument that if a person stands up for a particular principle, then that person likes/stands with the other side. It was an offensive tactic when used by the right push the Iraq War – “If you’re against the war you must be for Hussein” – and it is an offensive tactic now.

The second and most important idea is one that I hope will come to fruition. There are umbrella groups that tie labor and environmental groups together, and other organizations that loosely tie certain groups on the left to one another. But there doesn’t seem to be one strong organization that ties labor with environmental groups, civil liberty organizations, consumer advocacy groups and progressive companies. An organization that would concentrate solely on lobbying and campaign donations. Working in conjunction with all the afore mentioned groups and political organizations like PDA, plus fundraising using average citizens for the donation pool. A citizens union, so to speak. This would be to counter the money spent by corporations, so that citizens would have more power and more of a voice in our legislative process. Without public financing of campaigns, or a citizens union, whatever average people will benefit from will continue to be sidelined as “the fringe” as long as Corporate America stands against it.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:21 PM
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1. Newt told us what a liberal/Dem is. And we FUCKING ALLOWED HIM
The whole newspeak got ugly under Newt. We need to take back our history, our angst, our fury.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:22 PM
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2. Your last paragraph contains
a great idea, one whose time has come. And overall, a great post. Thanks.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:28 PM
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3. Great post. K&R
Organization. Solidarity. Strength.

:patriot:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:39 PM
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19. Appreciated!
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:31 PM
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4. I see Obama as a natural politician.
He has never been an idealogue. He works between the lines, finds middle ground and negotiates compromises well. He is exactly who he has always been. The right always paints him as the far left radical, but we know better.

We may have wanted, even needed a more staunch libereal, but we got what we got, and I'm damn happy he won.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 08:58 PM
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5. Obviously Obama/Biden is better than McCain/Palin, there's no questinon about that.
With that said (and this is NOT directed at you, I'm speaking generally here) I have no patience for partisan loyalists of either party. And no, that's not false equivalency. Because again, of course it's better to have Dems in office, as it means major changes on minor issues and minor changes on major issues.

But I take serious issue with no fundamental change (key word is fundamental) on the regulating banks, improving trade policy and labor, prosecuting torture, reducing the role of the private insurance industry and so on. It's not about purity and it's not about perfection, but it sure as hell is about having much higher standards than "he's awesome because he's better than Bush" which is the sad bar many seem to measure him by, consciously or not. As for the impending "you're being impatient and you want it all your way right away" BS, I also don't expect things to change over night. But there is no indication that there'll be any fundamental change on the above issues. And obviously when I refer to Obama, I'm speaking broadly about the administration and Dems in Congress. It's not all about Obama, he's just the figurehead and lightning rod, like all presidents.

PS---People who think that (outside of right wing nuts of course) being critical of Obama means you "hate" Obama are no better than Bush supporters who almost never criticized Bush (when it was relevant, since some started to criticize him in years 6-8 of his presidency).

Finally, uncritical supporters should be thankful for progressive critics. They make the president appear more "moderate" which is supposed to be a political win. They should also be happy that someone other than the right wing is applying pressure. If the Dems ONLY get pressure from the right, there's no reason not to move in that direction.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:45 PM
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14. "negotiates compromises well"
I don't think so.

Obama spent a year "compromising" away almost everything "Democratic" about the HCR Bill.
He made concession after concession to Republicans...
and he gained Absolutely NOTHING in return.

In a "compromise", BOTH sides should gain something.
When one side gains NOTHING, it is called "Capitulation".
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:31 PM
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6. Very good post ...
We need to define ourselves instead of letting the other side do it. And we need to have strong principles to adhere to. Once we do that we can be more cohesive, stronger and come up with a plan of action to achieve our goals without losing our principles. And if the other side doesn't like it, they can lump it.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:51 PM
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7. I contacted my local Democratic party, and they are interested in following up on this idea.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 11:09 PM by 20score

Also contacting labor unions and the ACLU, etc.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 03:20 PM
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16. So far, there seems to be real interest in this idea.
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 03:20 PM by 20score
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:57 PM
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8. K&R! n/t
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hbskifreak Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:58 PM
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9. great article, bro
as usual...
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:56 AM
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10. Thanks!!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:33 AM
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11. Two things
"This is because the right holds positions that overlap with corporate interests."

Problem is some of the left also hold positions that overlap with corporate interests, thereby making it so much easier to establish middle or moderate policies. The left needs to become more left, more active, more forceful. We need to divorce ourselves from corporations. Al Gore said: Put people first.

"A citizens union, so to speak."
Coffee, anyone? Yep, the Coffee party may become that citizens union.
But only if we the people can form that union.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:04 PM
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12. Great post! knr!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:28 PM
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13. Kick n/t
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 02:20 PM
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15. A kick for you.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:12 PM
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17. Well, if it happens, we read it here first.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:48 PM
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18. Thanks, yes you did.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:34 PM
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20. Obama is not giving the right wing too much power.
They already have that, and unfortunately it shows in how he governs.
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