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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:36 PM
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Dirty, Dangerous and Expensive: Truth About Nuclear Power
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 10:17 PM by Go2Peace
From Physicians for Social Reponsibility

http://www.psr.org/resources/nuclear-power-factsheet.html

Dirty, Dangerous and Expensive: The Truth About Nuclear Power

The nuclear industry seeks to revitalize itself by manipulating the public’s concerns about global warming and energy insecurity to promote nuclear power as a clean and safe way to curb emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce dependence on foreign energy resources. Despite these claims by industry proponents, a thorough examination of the full life-cycle of nuclear power generation reveals nuclear power to be a dirty, dangerous and expensive form of energy that poses serious risks to human health, national security and U.S. taxpayers.

Nuclear Power is Dirty

Each year, enormous quantities of radioactive waste are created during the nuclear fuel process, including 2,000 metric tons of high-level radioactive waste(1) and 12 million cubic feet of low-level radioactive waste(2) in the U.S. alone. More than 58,000 metric tons of highly radioactive spent fuel already has accumulated at reactor sites around the U.S. for which there currently is no permanent repository. Even without new nuclear production, the inventory of commercial spent fuel in the U.S. already exceeds the 63,000 metric ton statutory capacity of the controversial Yucca Mountain repository, which has yet to receive a license to operate. Even if Yucca Mountain is licensed, the Department of Energy has stated that it would not open before 2017.

Uranium, which must be removed from the ground, is used to fuel nuclear reactors. Uranium mining, which creates serious health and environmental problems, has disproportionately impacted indigenous people because much of the world’s uranium is located under indigenous land. Uranium miners experience higher rates of lung cancer, tuberculosis and other respiratory diseases. The production of 1,000 tons of uranium fuel generates approximately 100,000 tons of radioactive tailings and nearly one million gallons of liquid waste containing heavy metals and arsenic in addition to radioactivity.(3) These uranium tailings have contaminated rivers and lakes. A new method of uranium mining, known as in-situ leaching, does not produce tailings but it does threaten contamination of groundwater water supplies.

Serious Safety Concerns

Despite proponents’ claims that it is safe, the history of nuclear energy is marked by a number of disasters and near disasters. The 1986 Chernobyl disaster in Ukraine is one of the most frightening examples of the potentially catastrophic consequences of a nuclear accident. An estimated 220,000 people were displaced from their homes, and the radioactive fallout from the accident made 4,440 square kilometers of agricultural land and 6,820 square kilometers of forests in Belarus and Ukraine unusable. It is extremely difficult to get accurate information about the health effects from Chernobyl. Government agencies in Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus estimate that about 25,000 of the 600,000 involved in fire-fighting and clean up operations have died so far because of radiation exposure from the accident.(4) According to an April 2006 report commissioned by the European Greens for the European Parliament, there will be an additional 30,000 to 60,000 fatal cancer deaths worldwide from the accident.(5)

In 1979, the United States had its own disaster following an accident at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Reactor in Pennsylvania. Although there were no immediate deaths, the incident had serious health consequences for the surrounding area. A 1997 study found that those people living downwind of the reactor at the time of the event were two to ten times more likely to contract lung cancer or leukemia than those living upwind of the radioactive fallout.(6) The dangers of nuclear power have been underscored more recently by the close call of a catastrophic meltdown at the Davis-Besse reactor in Ohio in 2002, which in the years preceding the incident had received a near-perfect safety score.(3)

Climate change may further increase the risk of nuclear accidents. Heat waves, which are expected to become more frequent and intense as a result of global warming, can force the shut down or the power output reduction of reactors. During the 2006 heat wave, reactors in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Minnesota, as well as in France, Spain and Germany, were impacted. The European heat wave in the summer of 2003 caused cooling problems at French reactors that forced engineers to tell the government that they could no longer guarantee the safety of the country’s 58 nuclear power reactors.(3)

Proliferation, Loose Nukes and Terrorism

The inextricable link between nuclear energy and nuclear weapons is arguably the greatest danger of nuclear power. The same process used to manufacture low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel also can be employed for the production of highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. As it has in the past, expansion of nuclear power could lead to an increase in the number of both nuclear weapons states and ‘threshold’ nuclear states that could quickly produce weapons by utilizing facilities and materials from their ‘civil’ nuclear programs a scenario many fear may be playing out in Iran. Expanded use of nuclear power would increase the risk that commercial nuclear technology will be used to construct clandestine weapons facilities, as was done by Pakistan.

In addition to uranium, plutonium can also be used to make a nuclear bomb. Plutonium, which is found only in extremely small quantities in nature, is produced in nuclear reactors. Reprocessing spent fuel to separate plutonium from the highly radioactive barrier in spent fuel rods, as is being proposed as a ‘waste solution’ under the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership program, increases the risk that the plutonium can be diverted or stolen for the production of nuclear weapons or radioactive ‘dirty’ bombs. Reprocessing is also the most polluting part of the nuclear fuel cycle. The reprocessing facility in France, La Hague, is the world’s largest anthropogenic source of radioactivity and its releases have been found in the Arctic Circle.

Continued

http://mediastorm.org/0007.htm

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:37 PM
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1. Nuclear power is NOT green.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:52 PM
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3. Here is a "Greenwashing" attempt. Very Clever and powerful Propaganda
A site owned by a nuclear facility that calls itself "nogreenhouse". A perfect examplle of what is going on, re"branding" and calling themselves green. This is not a "home grown" effort. This is pure corporate PROPAGANDA and there are proponents on this site spreading it.

http://www.nogreenhouse.com/

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:14 AM
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11. Thanks!
Don't forget that GE sponsored Al Gore's Live Earth concert. NBC provided live streaming.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:46 PM
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2. My hope is that people will learn and make their own decisions
The industry has convinced a lot of people who would previously not have been for it to become proponents through very clever "greenwashing".

Don't let the "marketing" confuse you. This industry is as transparent as the Tobacco Industry, and as ready to hide information (as they have with facility reporting and "releases" for years) and fight to keep the truth hidden as it was.
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:44 AM
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21. Decommissioning- more hidden cost
Just last night watched "The Nuclear Comeback" on The Sundance channel (DVR, maybe it's on demand)
http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500317046

They were saying it can take up to 120 years to fully decommission a plant.

That's lots of time and money and apparently the plant has to have a crew present
during decommissioning.

Anyway, here's some good info, it's a crime to pass this on to our children.
We get the power, they pay the notes, suffer the liability, and have to shut the things down.
Immoral. And if it's so safe, why the need for immunity from liability? Thats my next excursion
on Wiki, the encyclops of time

Wiki: "Cost of decommissioning-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_decommissioning

In USA many utilities estimates now average $325 million per reactor all-up (1998 $).

In France, decommissioning of Brennilis Nuclear Power Plant, a fairly small 70 MW power plant, already cost 480 million euros (20x the estimate costs) and is still pending after 20 years. Despite the huge investments in securing the dismantlement, radioactive elements such as Plutonium, Cesium-137 and Cobalt-60 leaked out into the surrounding lake.<63> <64>

In the UK, decommissioning of Windscale Advanced Cooled Reactor (WAGR), a 32 MW power plant, cost 117 million euros.

In Germany, decommissioning of Niederaichbach nuclear power plant, a 100MW power plant, amounted to more than 90 million euros..."

It doesn't cost anything to decommission this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_plants_in_the_Mojave_Desert
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:21 AM
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23. Price–Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act
If it's so safe why this?

The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act (commonly called the Price-Anderson Act) is a United States federal law, first passed in 1957 and since renewed several times, which governs liability-related issues for all non-military nuclear facilities constructed in the United States before 2026.

The main purpose of the Act is to partially indemnify the nuclear industry against liability claims arising from nuclear incidents while still ensuring compensation coverage for the general public.

The Act establishes a no fault insurance-type system in which the first $10 billion is industry-funded as described in the Act (any claims above the $10 billion would be covered by the federal government).

At the time of the Act's passing, it was considered necessary as an incentive for the private production of nuclear power — this was because investors were unwilling to accept the then-unquantified risks of nuclear energy without some limitation on their liability.
-------------snip------------------

Alterations to normal civil court procedures

The Act makes a number of changes to typical civil court procedures:


* Jurisdiction is automatically transferred to federal courts no matter where the accident occurred.
* All claims from the same incident are consolidated into one Federal court, which is responsible for prioritizing payouts and sharing funds equitably should there be a shortfall.
* Companies are expressly forbidden to defend any action for damages on the grounds that an incident was not their fault.
* An open-ended time limit is applied, which allows claimants three years to file a claim starting from the time they discover damage.
* Individuals are not allowed to claim punitive damages against companies. (The act makes no provision for punishing companies responsible for an incident, but nuclear licensing regulations specify fines for breaches of safety regulations and criminal charges apply unaffected.)


Criticisms

The Price-Anderson Act has been criticized by various think tanks and environmental organizations, including Union of Concerned Scientists, Greenpeace International, Public Citizen and the Cato Institute. Public Citizen has been particularly critical of Price-Anderson; it claims that the Act understates the risks inherent in atomic power, does not require reactors to carry adequate insurance, and would therefore result in taxpayers footing most of the bill for a catastrophic accident.<2> An analysis by economists Heyes and Heyes (1998) places the value of the government insurance subsidy at $2.3 million per reactor-year, or $237 million annually.<3> In 2008 the Congressional Budget Office estimated the value of the subsidy at only $600,000 per reactor per year. <3> Due to the structure of the liability immunities as the number of nuclear plants in operation is reduced the public liability in case of an accident goes up.<4>

The free government-granted insurance given to for-profit nuclear plant operators in the Price-Anderson Act has been used as an example of corporate welfare by Ralph Nader.<4>

Price-Anderson has been criticized by many of these groups due to a portion of the Act that indemnifies Department of Energy and private contractors from nuclear incidents even in cases of gross negligence and willful misconduct (although criminal penalties would still apply). "No other government agency provides this level of taxpayer indemnification to non-government personnel", Public Citizen. The Energy Department counters those critics by saying that the distinction is irrelevant, since the damage to the public would be the same. <4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price-Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act

-------------------------
This doesn't need an "Indemnity Act"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_plants_in_the_Mojave_Desert
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:55 PM
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4. K&R
Thanks for this. Great post.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:00 PM
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5. K&R
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:06 PM
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6. "Chernobyl Legacy" - watch this. Then tell me if you can still unrec?

This is such a greenwash, a brainwash. Tell me you can casually dismiss this!


http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:12 PM
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8. Don't forget to watch this too! Then tell me how nobody died
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 10:21 PM by Go2Peace

Like some are saying on other topics.

http://mediastorm.org/0007.htm
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:08 PM
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7. unrec.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:15 PM
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9. Please vote in my no nuke/pro-nuke poll (link) here at DU
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 11:26 PM
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10. when you vacation in france, don't use any electricity
after all, much of it comes from evul nukular power!

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:19 AM
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12. Don't use electricity is Italy either.... they got rid of nuclear energy.
Today Italy imports more power than any other country in the world. It is the single largest outflow of cash in global trade.

20 years after ending nuclear power they import almost 20% of the electrical power. The irony.... they import it from France, produced by nuclear energy.

Italy the first country in Europe to end nuclear power now imports power produced by nuclear power plants in France. :hi:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:57 AM
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14. that has several layers of awesomeness
to it.

i'll go to both countries, use their nuclear power, and eat their food

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:05 AM
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15. Don't ride in an old bus either. False choice
That has nothing to do with our situation. You deal with what you have. It is just stupid to ramp up this technology. It is not the only option the way it is being sold to us. It is a foolish choice to bet the future on.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:15 AM
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19. it has plenty to do
in that nearly every article negative on nuclear power conveniently ignores or downplays france's successes with nuclear power.

i certainly wouldn't "bet the future" on anything, let alone that we will still need oil 30 yrs from now.

discussing nuclear power w./o discussing france makes as much sense as discussing health care reform w/o looking to france's success with same

hth

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:35 AM
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Well, then you better READ UP. France has had HUGE problems
Did you even read the doggone OP? Look at the last sentence...

"The reprocessing facility in France, La Hague, is the world’s largest anthropogenic source of radioactivity and its releases have been found in the Arctic Circle."

I did not even have to search far to come up with plenty of information that France is having serious issues like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/world/europe/18iht-leak.4.14615856.html

As I have said, there is an argument to be made about risks vs benefits, but you guys completely deny any risk or serious issues, which completely invalidates your arguments.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:35 AM
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20. Well, then you better READ UP. France has had HUGE problems
Did you even read the doggone OP? Look at the last sentence...

"The reprocessing facility in France, La Hague, is the world’s largest anthropogenic source of radioactivity and its releases have been found in the Arctic Circle."

I did not even have to search far to come up with plenty of information that France is having serious issues like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/world/europe/18iht-leak.4.14615856.html

As I have said, there is an argument to be made about risks vs benefits, but you guys completely deny any risk or serious issues, which completely invalidates your arguments.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 09:40 AM
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26. www.nirs.org has good info on how f---ed up the French Reactors are
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 09:40 AM by Liberation Angel
they also have a link to the Greenpeace report.

www.nirs.org has a LOT of solid scientific data and analysis on these and similar issues which provide great ammo against pronukular knuckleheads and industry shills and liars.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:30 AM
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13. Nuclear energy in the United States has 50 million operation hours and not a single casualty..
No other industry has such a perfect safety record.

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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:05 AM
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16. Not true if you look at the rates of cancer and still birth in the areas around the plants
and uranium mining and processing and the aftermath of Three Mile Island.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:08 AM
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18. Same argument the tobacco companies did for years... Hide the facts
and claim they are not there. It's all dishonest and I bet these guys know it too. They just don't want to admit that the technology is not as safe as they present.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:06 AM
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17. Did you read the article? That was what the OP was about right?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:54 AM
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22. Thats total bullshit and you know it
Go talk to the Navaho's or the people downwind from TMI or the folks up in Hanford or check out the wasteland in Russia, when I say wasteland I mean not suitable for humans to be living there. Spreading the lie that there has been no deaths contributory to nuclear energy only weakens your already weak argument.
A deny does not the truth make.

The United States may have 50 million operation hours of denial of casualties but the evidence does not support that as true. Check out how some of the waste is being disposed of by the Mafia for the industry in Europe

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=nuclear+waste+mafia+oceans&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f

Tell me that the aquatic life forms know better how to deal with this stuff or better yet tell me it was only medical waste as you've tried to before and I'll call bullshit on it. Its only a matter of time before the truth is told about what were in all those suspected 40 some odd ships the mafia sank, thats just the ones we know about.

Shilling for the industry is your choice
Maybe just maybe if the nuclear power industry had not made a decision years ago that its better to lie to us then maybe some of use would be supporters today but they chose to not do that and Theres nothing I dislike more than a liar or a thief as I see them as one and the same.
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:54 AM
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24. In Ibaraki Prefecture, Japan 2 people died -exposed to radiation doses in excess of allowable limits
if the Wikipedia cite is correct. So you must have meant in the US

List of civilian nuclear accidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civilian_nuclear_accidents

* September 30, 1999 — INES Level 4 - Ibaraki Prefecture, Japan - Accidental criticality

* Workers put uranyl nitrate solution containing about 16.6 kg of uranium, which exceeded the critical mass, into a precipitation tank at a uranium reprocessing facility in Tokai-mura northeast of Tokyo, Japan. The tank was not designed to dissolve this type of solution and was not configured to prevent eventual criticality. Three workers were exposed to (neutron) radiation doses in excess of allowable limits. Two of these workers died. 116 other workers received lesser doses of 1 mSv or greater though not in excess of the allowable limit. <29> <30><31> <32>

See also: Tokaimura nuclear accident
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:33 AM
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25. Well given the words of "United States" in post title yes that was what I mean.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 08:42 AM by Statistical
"Nuclear energy in the United States has 50 million operation hours and not a single casualty."

Also even in Japan no member of general public has been killed by nuclear energy. Obviously some jobs are dangerous but we generally accept some people will work in dangerous fields and are compensated for that risk. The general public should be more stringently protected from such dangers.

The anti-nukker claim is that members of public are routinely killed by nuclear energy. Even in Japan that is not true. The radiation hazard was limited to workers in the plant (only 2 received radiation in excess of limits). No member of public was injured in that accident. Nice thing is Japan had a very ingenious method to determine radiation exposure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_yen_coin#Use_in_nuclear_accident_investigation

By obtaining coins from people near the plant and marking the exact location at the time of the accident Japan was able to check for exposure beyond plants boundary.


Obviously working in an energy plant (any energy plant) is hazardous.

"5 killed, 12 injured in natural gas explosion"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/07/national/main6183458.shtml
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