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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:31 PM
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The Reason Republicans call Obama a Socialist, Hitler, The Anti Christ etc...
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 03:31 PM by Tony_FLADEM
Republicans hate Obama for the same reason they hated Clinton.

The political right derives it's political power by being able to control and win the debate.

Any time there is someone who can influence public opinion, effectively push another point of view and make it a real debate, they resort to character assassination against that person.

Bill Clinton had character flaws they could use against him. Obama doesn't have many character flaws so all they can do is engage in character assassination that's more abstract and bizarre.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:34 PM
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1. his 'character flaw' is intelligence
which is threatening.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:34 PM
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2. True. Think of Republicans you know - in my experience they talk over others...
...and get very ugly and personal if you dare to debate them logically.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:47 PM
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9. Most of the ones I know
turn tail and run as soon as you start making sense. They can't compete with common sense. They walk away saying "I don't want to talk about politics".
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:32 PM
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19. I've had the same response
Some say they didn't want a political debate. They must have assumed everyone has their twisted world view.
When they try to back out I remind them they were the ones who opened the can of worms, and now they have to deal with the worms.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 05:00 PM
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20. I've seen those with less money and/or power do that...
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 05:12 PM by polichick
Seems Republicans with money and power bully and talk over others.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:35 PM
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Yup. The reason they call him those things ...
Is because they have no good ideas of their own.

Fuck 'em.

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:35 PM
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3. Actually, the reason has a lot to do with Christianity.
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 03:40 PM by stopbush
What do the R's and Xianity have in common? They're built on fear and scapegoating. Xians are afraid of hell, and from that springs the rest of their dogma. The scapegoating part goes back to Judaism. Funny how religion tells you that you are born a wretched sinner, but that once you grovel and engage in a bit of self loathing that you are somewhat purified of that original sin. But the rest of humanity isn't, so they become the scapegoats for everything that's wrong.

Most Rs are Xians, and a lot are fundies. That's why the fear and scapegoat cards work so well on them. They've embraced fear and scapegoating as religious tenets, so it's an easy stretch to apply it to politics. Calling Obama Hitler, or the Anti-Christ or a Socialist or a Communist is simply an exercise in applying the label of some well-trodden "godless bogeyman" that the Xian mind desperately needs to assuage its distrust of "them" who aren't part of the flock.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:40 PM
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4. Actually both their religion and their politics are products of reliance on...
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 03:40 PM by polichick
...the "reptilian brain" - read about it if you haven't. Interesting stuff.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:13 PM
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16. stopbush
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 04:20 PM by Diclotican
stopbush

That is not true.. That Christians are the same as republicans.. If you was to debate me face to face I would not back down easly... And find it really intersting to go toe-on-toe with some I really dosen't have the slightest interst in common with.

- Now, I am not a republican by all means, compared to the political spectrum in US I would have been marked as a left wing/extreme wing. Even tho in most of Europe Im maybe more center/left than anything...

But on the other hand I tend to read a lot, and try to understand what I can't understand by learning... Many who is dogmatic have not that ability, to learn new stuff.. It is an important thing to have that ability, to learn

And no - I don't belive that some is "goodless" becouse of they dosen't belive in what I do.. I belive it exist many roads to enlightenment... And I was for the record. REALLY happy US finaly get to their senses, and woted in a man who was not that mad as mr Bush had been.. And not at least, made a knock on the barrier when you woted in a black man as your president.. That really amazed me when i was seeing it:).. And I have to say, it was celebrating when I got the news that the 44 president in US, was Barack Obama:)
Some of my rather "conservative" friends was not celebrating by the way...

Diclotican

ps, most conservatives I have been talking to - have if they dosen't share the same as I do, told me verry blunt that I am fucking Communist.. And I have told them that they are some Fucking right wingers...
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:40 PM
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5. The reason
boils down to nothing more than one's belief of what govts job is.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 05:20 PM
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22. Yeah - um - you forgot your sarcasm tag.
Because their belief about government has about as much to do with their generalized hysteria, racially charged name-calling and threats of violence as green cheese has to do with the moon.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:43 AM
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23. No sarcasm tag needed or warranted
because you are talking about a minority on the far right fringe and I am talking about Republicans. Lumping them together in such a clueless manner accomplishes nothing.

The majority of Republicans believe govt should run govt, and have only minimal involvement in personal lives. You take out the govt mandate and minimize the tax increases and health care passes without a care from anybody other than the fringe right.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:44 PM
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6. Actually, it's more like they are projecting what they are onto Obama,like the Nazis did to the Jews
If you study the calumnies that the Nazis made against the Jews, that they were serial liars using propaganda and wanted to take over the world, you'll find thatt hey were very neatly decribing themselves and ascribing it to their victims.

Some things never change much, do they?

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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:46 PM
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8. Replace 'Jew ' in Mien Kampf with 'Liberal' or 'Democrat' and there you go...
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:56 PM
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10. I've actually read parts of Mein Kampf.
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 03:57 PM by backscatter712
That book's too painful to read in it's entirety - on top of being filled with pure fucking evil, it's just flat out badly written - it consists of Hitler's half-coherent rants that he dictated to one of his flunkies with a typewriter, while he was in prison after the Munich Putsch.

It literally does read like a bad Ann Coulter book, where you replace "Liberal" with "Jew" and "Democrat" with "Communist"
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:03 PM
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12. They should have called it 'Notes from a One Balled, Syphallitic Madman'
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:04 PM
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13. I've been saying that for years. It's quite obvious, and has been so for quite some time
But, as was in 1930s Germany, the truth is so painful (and also so well-obfuscated by the RW Lie Machine/Corporate M$M fusion) that no one will see what is right in front of them.

Like the Germans, they'll see only after it is far too late to stop it.

Just look at how easily the Cantor Lie is obfuscating the Brownshirt-like qualities of the RW Teabaggers. CNN is already reporting it on TV as "both sides are doing it".

Yeah, the Nazis f*ck with the Jews, but the Jews also f*ck with the Nazis, dontcha know? Just a he-said/she-said thing.

Gotta give the Bushigandists credit. They have spent so many years selling us crap products we don't need, they know how to sell ANYTHING, even a remarketed, rebranded "kinder and gentler" Nazism.

Both amazing and horrifying to watch these last 40 years, especially the last 10 years, when the Stolen Election of 2000 forced me to put the pieces of the puzzle I had been noticing all my life together.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:05 PM
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14. +1
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Naturalist111 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:45 PM
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7. Bullseye!!!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:00 PM
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11. I Agree With You About the Importance of
character assassination in right wing arguments. It's really remarkable how often it's used.

Ad hominem arguments are easy once you get used to doing them. Just create an unattractive image of your oppent -- it's easy to do if you're the primary source of information -- and just whip up the emotion. If you have a weak position it may sometimes be the only way to argue.

It even shows up in creationism -- many of the so-called arguments are character attacks on Darwin. (Who cares whether Darwin was a bad scientist or a child molester -- the science has nothing to do with his personal qualities.)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:08 PM
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15. RW movements have one defining characteristic: remove their hated target & the movement dissipates
That's all it's based on: hatred
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:26 PM
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17. Today on Talk of the Nation on NPR I heard Republican Heather MacDonald say
that the accusations of Obama being a socialist or advancing socialism is grossly exaggerated, that Obama is an American and the demonization of him is wrong, that he really is just a Liberal. She also said that the demonization of Bill Clinton was way over the top by conservatives.

It was interesting to hear this from someone with a Republican point of view, so we can't really paint all of them with the same broad brush.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 04:28 PM
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18. no... they call him everything they represent themselves, but too chickenshit to admit
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 05:06 PM
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21. Projection. nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:46 AM
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24. The Politics of Fear is strong and undeniable
but untenable.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:48 AM
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25. Pukes do not have anything, so they make shit up...
they are LIARS.
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