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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:13 PM
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BBC: The Pope, in former position as Cardinal, played leading role in child sex abuse cover-up
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By John Amato Tuesday Mar 23, 2010 6:30pm

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The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
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Cardinal Ratzinger reinforced the strict cover-up policy by introducing a new principle: that the Vatican must have what it calls Exclusive Competence. In other words, he commanded that all child abuse allegations should be dealt with direct by Rome.

Patrick Wall, a former Vatican-approved enforcer of the Crimen Sollicitationis in America, tells the programme: "I found out I wasn't working for a holy institution, but an institution that was wholly concentrated on protecting itself."

If this information had been exposed a few years ago, would Cardinal Ratzinger had ever been named Pope? I can't wrap my head around this. Forget if he's the Pope now. What type of human being would cover up crimes against the children? He obviously had a lot of experience in this matter.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:16 PM
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1. "The devil made me do it. Smirk." - Pope Ratzinger (R)
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 09:18 PM by SpiralHawk
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:28 PM
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7. 
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:15 PM
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13. Oh, bloody hell.
Seriously, they're like "anything bad we do is because of demons - trust me, I'm infallible!"
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:17 PM
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2. If the pope really covered up. . .he needs to come clean and resign!
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:26 PM
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6. I heard a Catholic radio program (very conservative) attacking the media
today. Same ole same ole.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 04:59 AM
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17. Same thing the Wide-stance diaper clad republicons do....
...except since they own the corporate media, they need not do it often...
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:57 AM
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23. Has a Pope ever resigned? Is that even possible? n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:21 PM
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3. Anyone find this to be surprising?
:shrug:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:25 PM
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4. NO - the only thing surprising
is that the arrogant fuck believes that the fear of excommunication was more important to victims than the abuse - now that is breathtaking arrogance.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:26 PM
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5. Well said
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:35 PM
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8. Italy's two forms of organized crime, The Mafia and The Vatican...
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 09:36 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
...and I say that as an Italian AND a Catholic.

The Vatican is an intensely political entity first and foremost...and "breathtaking arrogance" comes with the territory. All that matters is the survival of the enterprise. Everything else is "collateral damage."
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 09:39 PM
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9. He needs to go. n/t
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:01 PM
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10. I think that was discussed here before
he became pope. They knew before he was appointed
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:35 AM
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20. a lot of us assumed it was why he got the top job
and I still think it is why.


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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:09 PM
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11. He was the Catholic Church's inquisitor. He knows where all the bodies are. THAT'S why he's pope.
After serving in one of the church's most secretive, all encompassing, investigative units, he knows everything about everyone.

Of course he's the pope! Nobody in the Vatican who voted for him was under any illusion about what he knew or didn't know. He KNOWS it all! He's the equivalent of J. Edgar Hoover.

As far as covering up child abuse, well Ratzinger has a pretty shady past. I believe he's one of those who simply does what's politically expedient to garner power.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:13 PM
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12. But he's infallible now, so it's all okay, right?
:eyes:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 11:20 PM
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14. They push for millions of children to be born into poverty by disallowing
birth control. Look at Haiti as an example. They are allready putting children second to their ambitions.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 11:23 PM
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15.  Recommend
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:06 AM
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16. Very important, but slightly misleading - this is a reprint of a 2006 news report
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 12:08 AM by anigbrowl
This refers to a documentary released in 2006 (click the 'popability' link, or go to the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.... ). Amato asks 'if this information had been exposed a few years ago, would Cardinal Ratzinger had ever been named Pope?' but perhaps he didn't look at the date on the article.

Mind you, I am all for bringing it up again and reminding everyone that the current pope, for all his apologies, is directly responsible for a policy of preserving secrecy at all costs, to the point of threatening crime victims.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:19 AM
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18. You're right, and I did notice that date...
...so his question is indeed moot.

Fact of the matter is that in situations like this, information doesn't matter with the decision-makers. They wanted him in, and he's in. End of story...at least as far as the Vatican is concerned.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 12:23 PM
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26. I don't blame you for that
I blame myself and the article in the OP for not spotting it is all.

It's true that ultimately the pope is elected by a tiny number of cardinals and the Catholic Church isn't a democracy. But considering that he's in such bad odor in traditionally Catholic places like Ireland and indeed parts of Germany, reminders of his past policies (secrecy, threads, and hiding matters from the law) only serve to underline the skepticism his recent apologia generated. If Church attendance etc. keeps falling, sooner or later he's going to be bombarded with suggestions that he should 'pray for guidance' and then abdicate.

Might not make a difference that we can see for quite a while, but those sincere members of the Catholic church who have devoted their lives to serving God by doing good to their communities, can point to a great deal of evidence for their outlook that has been mounting since the death of Albino Luciani (Pope John Paul the first, an outstandingly good, lovable and kindhearted man who many believe to have been the victim of assassination after only a month as pope) in 1979. Although I'm an atheist now (mainly for philosophical reasons), I have a lot of respect for those who believe in Catholicism sincerely enough to have devoted their lives to helping others. There are a lot of them, and I doubt their patience is infinite.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:29 AM
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19. It's the fault if Liberals
The priests couldn't keep their hands off the altar boys because of hippies from the 60s.

No seriously they are already trying this line of argument.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:47 AM
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21. <<< K <<< & >>> R >>>
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 09:47 AM by Soylent Brice
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:54 AM
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22. Pope Forgives Molested Children- News from the Vatican City
VATICAN CITYCalling forgiveness "one of the highest virtues taught to us by Jesus," Pope Ratzinger issued a papal decree Monday absolving priest-molested children of all sin.



"Though grave and terrible sins have been committed, our Lord teaches us to turn the other cheek and forgive those who sin against us," said the pope, reading a prepared statement from a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square. "That is why, despite the terrible wrongs they have committed, the church must move on and forgive these children for their misdeeds."

"As Jesus said, 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone,'" the pope continued. "We must send a clear message to these hundredsperhaps thousandsof children whose sinful ways have tempted so many of the church's servants into lustful violation of their holy vows of celibacy. The church forgives them for their transgressions and looks upon them not with intolerance, but compassion."

The papal announcement arrives in response to public outcry over the sex scandal sweeping the Catholic church around the world. Though official church doctrine condemns such transgressions, the pope's decision, observers say, is intended to demonstrate the church's willingness to put the scandal behind it and restore the public trust.

"By forgiving these children, primarily churchgoing boys between the ages of 5 and 15, the pope has shown true Christian kindness," said Father Thomas O'Malley, a member of the New York and Irish archdiocese and one of the many priests implicated in charges of sexual activity with minors. "The pope is saying that, in their own way, these sinful youths are victims, too. Through their absolution, he sends the important message that empathy, contrary to what naysayers and critics in the secular media would have us believe, does have a place in modern Catholicism."

For Catholics waiting for the pope to break his long silence on the scandal, the sweeping, decisive nature of his response has come as welcome relief.

"The pope has shown great love and compassion, much as Jesus did when he ministered to tax collectors and whores," said Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston. "Despite all they have done to jeopardize the careers of so many prieststo say nothing of imperiling the priests' immortal soulsthe church embraces these underaged seducers and tempters with open arms. The pope's words and actions prove that the church is willing to put an end to the suffering and let the healing begin."

The mass absolution is being hailed by church scholars as one of the Vatican's most progressive acts since the Second Vatican Council in 1962.

"One cannot overstate the break from tradition this represents," said lay administrator Bruce McConnachie of the Los Angeles archdiocese. "After all, under church doctrine, the act of seducing a priest is considered a grave sin against the laws of God, punishable by condemnation to Hell for all eternity. But the pope has put all of that aside. He has let bygones be bygones. For this, all of those misbehaving, sexy little guys should feel grateful. By showing such willingness to forgive and forget, the pope has sent a clear message: Even though these boys have done much to undermine and subvert the priestly vows of celibacy, they are still deserving of God's love."

Margaret Leahy, 39, a Somerville, MA, homemaker and mother of one of the alleged seducers, expressed relief over the pope's announcement.

"For months, I feared that my boyand the dozens of others who committed sinful acts with Father Halloran before he was moved to the safety of another parish to protect him from further temptation at their pre-pubescent handswas going to Hell for what he'd done," Leahy said. "It's the worst feeling a mother can know. But thanks to the forgiveness of the pope, my long nightmare is finally over. He was just a boy of 8 at the time. He didn't know any better. Thank you, your Holiness, for giving my poor little Timothy a second chance at redemption."

However, not everyone within the Catholic church is so supportive of the pope's actions.

"What kind of a message is the pope sending today's children? That it's okay to seduce priests?" said one concerned Baltimore priest who asked to remain anonymous due to a pending court case. "With the pope's announcement, the church is essentially telling its youngest members, 'Go ahead and let Father So-And-So reach into your swim trunks at the church-youth-group pool party. It's okay, the pope will forgive you in the end.' Without fear of eternal damnation, how are these provocative young lotharios ever going to learn?"

"As the creep of secular humanism continues to chip away at our most sacred institutions, the Vatican has established a dangerous precedent," the priest continued. "We look to the church's authority for justice and righteousness, not politically convenient solutions that maintain the status quo. These nubile sinners should be held accountable for the damage they've done."



News link :http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested...
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:04 AM
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24. The "Rat" had the goods on numerous Bishops...no doubt...
Thus they made him Pope.

Evil bastard....if true, Evil Bastard regardless.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:34 AM
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25. Um, what's the Latin (or German) word for ABDICATE?!1 Do it NOW!1 n/t
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