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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:15 PM
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Question. If state Atty Generals are filing suit to block HCR, can we countersue?
Are Republicans serious? Reform comes to help people, to cover 30 plus million people. It is coming to save lives.

Do Republicans seriously think that it is a victory to them to block something that helps people? To have the political system take things away? What is the story here - is their goal to make people as miserable as possible? Do they want everyone to die except rich greedy Republicans?

What am I missing here...this doesn't sound like a sane strategy for me.....

I am listening to Kyl on PBS Newshour essentially stating just these things - that all they continue to plan to do is tear down and obstruct.

HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE? Or, are so many people brainwashed by the hatred, hyperbole and right wing noise machine - that they actually wish to act against their best interest, health and life?

I feel like this is the definition of true insanity.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:16 PM
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1. We let them do it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:19 PM
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2. They know it isn't going anywhere.
It is an election slogan and nothing more.

"IMA GINSTIT!"

You won't hear a peep about it after November.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:19 PM
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3. Countersue... for what?
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 05:19 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
If the law is felt to be unconstitutional, let it be challenged.
It will either hold up to judicial scrutiny or it will not.

The political preference behind judicial review is irrelevant.
If the law is unconstitutional, it needs changed or the constitution needs amended.

What in the world would a counter-suit claim? "Nuh Uhh?" ??
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:21 PM
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5. Countersue for blocking the implementation of the bill.
It would block people who would benefit from the new bill of receiving the benefits....was wondering if it would also send a strong message that the statements made by the right wing machine does not represent the majority of the people.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:25 PM
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7. There is a miscommunication between us.
I thought the article was referring to the constitutional challenge of the HCR bill.
It appears the article is about States trying to block the effects f this bill as it stands.
I am in agreement with you.

In that case then there should be some action to keep the GOP from blocking the benefits of the new LAW.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:19 PM
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4. That's really what the U.S. Attorney's Office does.
In effect they represent us, the people, in this completely idiotic lawsuit. There's no need to countersue, though; all they have to do is defend the statute.

But yeah, what a dumb move. Invalidate the law so once again kids can't get insurance for pre-existing conditions; open up the "doughnut hole" so elderly people have to pay more for their drugs; take away the ability of small businesses to buy insurance for their employees. That'll really sell.

Idiots...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:22 PM
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6. In many states I believe that the AG can be recalled...
just a thought....;)
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:59 PM
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12. Can I recall Bill McCollum for using his office for a campaign strategy?
Because that is the major reason he is a leader in this idiocy. Florida cannot afford this useless lawsuit and too many people in Florida need what HCR will do for them.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:08 PM
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14. I would get as many likeminded people as yourself to barage
news stations with your opinion.... Enough bad press, might actually have an effect and the $$ might have some sway.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:32 PM
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15. It might help in this county, but for the rest of this area, no way
We are a little island of blue in a sea of red.

And the media around here just prints and plays what they want. They censor LTTE and everything they do not want distributed.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:25 PM
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8. no. the DOJ will defend the suit.
If its implementation is stayed by a court pending the challenge, that decision could be (and likely would be) appealed by the government.

But there really is no role for "us" (if by us you mean individual citizens) to play other than participating through amicus briefs (I'm not sure a group of citizens could get standing to "intervene" as parties on the side of the government, but I really haven't thought that through).
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:26 PM
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9. These lawsuits will go nowhere... don't worry about it.
The WH has this covered.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:29 PM
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10. Re-Thug-licians always go running to the courts when they lose, They think it is their mama
I live in MI and we are one of the states with a crazy AG who is going to sue.

I'm not impressed. In fact I am a little pleased since this looks like political suicide from where I am sitting. Maybe you can get away with it in a solid red state but pulling this crap in Michigan is stupid IMO.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 05:57 PM
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11. That's what I don't get. It seems like political suicide (which would delight me)...
so I wonder if there is something else up their sleeves.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:02 PM
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13. I am pretty sure you can
Under our system of laws, you can sue pretty much anytime you want. It would take the advice of a good lawyer to make it anything other than frivolous, but that would not prevent you from trying.
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