FIRST: let me say that I am an adamant PRO-CHOICER ...

[thotzRthingz]

My wife, my daughters, and my granddaughter... and ALL other females on the face of this planet, should have the CHOICE as to whether or not to get an abortion. I do NOT wish "being placed in such a dilemma" on anyone... but the CHOICE must be their's to make! And I'll help to PAY for it, if no GOV'T FUNDS can be used.

That said:

Since there will be NO GOV'T FUNDS allowed to be spent on ABORTION... let's take a practical approach to this issue, OK?

IOW: some of them insist it is only GOV'T FUNDS, being spent on abortion, to which they object. And I classify that stance the same as I do any ELECTIVE SURGERY. So, let's make a deal...

We won't spend any GOV'T FUNDS on any "elective" surgery... no face lifts, no boob jobs, no tummy tucks, no gastric bypasses, no nose jobs (etc., etc., etc.) will be paid for using any GOV'T FUNDS. (I do not mean to include "re-constructive surgery" as being "elective" ... obviously someone hideously disfigured and needing medical procedures to correct the problem, would be considered a bona fide use of GOV'T FUNDS).

So *freepers* (I know you're out there)... do we have a deal?!

[KittyWampus]

1. I don't think comparing abortion to a face lift is an entirely wise comparison.

[Walk away]

2. This doesn't make any sense to me at all.

When and where are government funds being spent on elective cosmetic surgery? What on Earth does that have to do with abortions and insurance and tax dollars? Please explain more clearly.

[physioex]

7. Yes a bunch of incoherent BS.....

How can gastric bypass be a not required procedure. For some of the morbidly obese where diets have failed, there is no other choice than some form of stomach procedure such as the lap band or gastric bypass.

[kestrel91316]

3. Excluding abortion from paid medical benefits is sexist and morally wrong.

A woman is either a person, or she's not. If she is, she is entitled to full benefits.

BTW, a pre-term fetus is not a person. Nor is an embryo, or a blastocyst.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Too late! There already is no elective surgery payment.

Never has been.

No money for vasectomies, either, AFAIK.

Birth control is paid for in certain plans -- but not government plans. Nor are PDEI pills like Viagra and Cialis (the blood pressure control version is paid for, but it's not optimum for sex).

Gastric bypass, however, isn't cosmetic. It prolongs life and dramatically reduces medical costs among the seriously obese. And if you think it makes the patient better-looking, you should check out some gastric bypass support groups. Obesity does enough damage that some plastic surgery is later needed NON-cosmetically. After that, you're on your own, often to the tune of about $20,000. I had a friend who went that route; it saved her life, but she ended up looking like an old shar-pei for a couple years.

But ...

I say ... NO DEAL.

FIRST, we pass health care reform.

THEN, we improve it.

THEN, we repeal the Hyde Amendment.

After that, tax the churches; and sue them for EVERY victim of clerical abuse we find.

If they're all upset about having to pay for rubbers and BCPs and abortions, tough tookies.

You can't deal with perverts. Let the Republicans learn to keep their pants up and their minds off of fear-mongering, adultery, and sodomy.

--d!

[provis99]

5. the government already doesn't pay for abortions.

So what's your point?

[Orangepeel]

6. holding aside the comparison, is there an insurance policy that pays for elective boob jobs?

I can imagine them paying for reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy and/or a breast reduction due to back problems, but I'd be highly surprised if any insurance policy pays for breast augmentation or cosmetic nose jobs.

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. Some of them don't even pay for post masectomy reconstruction...

many Insurers consider it a "vanity surgery".

[Better Today]

8. I read your post as, "I am an adamant pro-choicer, . . . except I'm not."

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. This is one of those times I wish I could recommend a post.

[Better Today]

10. Thank you. Happy to be of service.

[Fleshdancer]

12. How much does an abortion cost? n/t

[thotzRthingz]

13. SECOND: let me say this, about that...

1. I only degrade an "abortion" to the level of "elective surgery" in an attempt to get freepers to upgrade their position to that same level... once it is considered to be "elective" then we can agree it is also a matter of "choice".

2. I actually do not equate a "nose job" with an "abortion" and that applies to the other examples I used as well... again only an attempt to categorize "abortion" as "elective" and therefore it being simply a matter of "choice.

3. If you are among those who think that there are ZERO CASES where what is normally considered (by insurance companies) to be "elective" ... where those same CASES not are being categorized by doctors as a "medical necessity" ... thus "gaming the system" to get the procedure covered ... you're quite naive, and I envy your innocence.

THIRDLY (and lastly): let me say that the unanimous ridicule of my OP (perhaps a very poor attempt at thinking outside the box at best) is taken only as so much constructive criticism, for that I thank you all.

Have a nice day.

[TorchTheWitch]

14. abortions aren't always elective

NO FUCKING DEAL!!! Abortions are legal, and shouldn't be exempt from public funding in the first place.

[3324SS]

15. I am 100% against the DP

Yet I am forced with my tax dollars to pay for state sanctioned murder.

I am against the the Oil Wars yet my tax dollars pay for a war I am against.

The freakers are not against spending government money on killing, it is the method of killing they are against.

Perhaps they would be happier if the Dr took out a 9 mm and shot the baby as soon as it was born, because in affect that is what they support.