Why so many threads attacking Kucinich and few or none attacking Stupak....

[Junkdrawer]

and the other anti-abortion Blue Dogs?

Could it be that Rahm and Obama want to give cover to the Blue Dogs in 2010 and allow the progressives to twist in the wind? :shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

1. because Dennis has refused the jackboots

This pisses off the minions. Minions need raw meat. He's had a lamb chop sewn to his lapels. :eyes:

[stray cat]

2. Because Kucinich is a sacred cow so one slight seems like millions?

[Junkdrawer]

4. One??? Bwahaaaa....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=433

Count 'em

[Zoeisright]

3. Very good question.

I'm pretty disgusted.

[nightrain]

5. yup. The corporatist Dems seem to be concerned that this magnificent

bill protecting disease management insurance corporations won't pass b/c of a man who has principles, who can't be bought. So out come the attackers to slime him.

How dare Kucinich hold onto his principles! (sarcasm off)

[Unvanguard]

6. Because people here defend Kucinich. Virtually no one here defends Stupak.

For what it's worth, while I am a persistent Kucinich critic, my dislike for him is far, far exceeded by my loathing for those who so oppose reproductive rights that they would sink health care reform to undermine them.

[neverforget]

7. He's just the guy who gets the 30 minutes of hate. I've wondered too

why Kucinich gets so much negative attention here. It's the Blue Dogs in the House and the ConservaDems in the Senate that have fucked this bill up. They have far more power or pull as a group than Kucinich does.

[Dinger]

8. Yes It Could Be

That is all.

[joeybee12]

9. Because, like in Washington, Dems go after their own more than

they go after the opposition. Remember the primary?

[Edweird]

10. Probably for the same reason all the 'whipping' is toward the 'right' not 'left'.

[Ozymanithrax]

11. Stupack doesn't claim to be a progressive.

[Dawgs]

12. Huh? I've seen many threads criticizing Stupak.

I guess some only see what they want to see.

[Sebastian Doyle]

13. Even worse, how about the corporate prostitute DLC'ers who are never attacked at all.

Stupak certainly deserves the criticism for his anti-choice bullshit. But all the anti-gay, anti-union, anti-American people, pro-corporate bullshit needs to be called out just as much as the Stupak Stupidity.

[Kaleva]

14. Few or none attacking Stupak? You've been missing them.

Most of the posts attacking Stupak don't stay on the first page very long as they sink for lack of attention.

[hfojvt]

15. mine attacks Bush and Reagan and the top 1%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7916624

but that's how I roll.

Maybe some people attack Kucinich because he is supposed to be on OUR side and there is not the same expectation with Stupak. I really doubt that there are very many DUers taking marching orders from Rahm or Obama. Most people start threads to add their own 2 cents to the running debate or to comment on some other article on the web.

[Odin2005]

16. Rahm sent the marching orders.

[Dappleganger]

17. Because nobody here is deluded about Stupak...

yet so many are under Kucinich's spell.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Name one person here with a cult like appreciation for Stupak.

[Junkdrawer]

19. I see. It's less about who is killing Obama's HCR...

and more about who to pin the defeat on.

Seriously. Stupak is taking 14 votes with him. How many votes does Kucinich control?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. If Kooch is going to vote against it, and it fails...

the blame should be pinned to him and everybody else who votes against it. Kucinich, Stupak, Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Cantor, etc.

[Hissyspit]

20. Cult-like appreciation?

You can't think of any other Democrats who people hold a "cult-like" (to use your term) appreciation for?

Anyway, the real issue is the overwhelmingly overblown response to Kucinich's stance. He is one out of 435 House members, and the odds that he will be the vote that defeats Health Care Reform are pretty high. Dennis knows this. He is negotiating with the power that he has. Just what the Repubs are doing, just what the Blue Dogs are doing, just what other progressives are doing, just what other congressional members - Senators and House members - are doing. Is his approach the best or effective? Debatable. Might it be effective and still allow him to stand by his principles? Could be. Might he ultimately vote in a way that produces real damage? Maybe, probably not. Are the attacks on him histrionic and overdone. No question.

[bemildred]

21. Astroturf.

It means someone thinks we are important here.

[Hello_Kitty]

23. I've been saying this for a long time.

Simple answer: DK is a dirty fucking hippie so he should STFU and get in line but Bart Stupak's right to sniff panties is sacrosanct.

[MindandSoul]

24. I think it's because we expected more of Kucinich, and we expected nothing good from Stupak!

[cali]

25. Do a frickin' search before making a fallacious claim, dear.

there have been many threads slamming stupak and blue dogs are never out of season here, but of course you'd rather piously whine away.

[KoKo]

26. Sadly..it's not only Rahm...but some of it might be Obama....

We are dealing with Reality of the DLC... Obama's Administration is "Clinton II."

It seems to be following some terrible path downwards into Triangulation that Clinton elected for after his Monica Problem.

I don't blame Obama...but his choice of his Cabinet and the rest of his Administration. Clinton II...and shouldn't we who defended Bill throughout the "Monica Thing" have been rewarded? Instead with Clinton II we get Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs and Corporatists ALL AT THE TABLE. BUT, NO PROGRESSIVES who stuck with him through those years and even many who would have been happier with Hillary than Obama...even THEY GET TRASHED along with the CAPTIVE OBAMA so that CLINTON II can REDEEM ITSELF.

What's NEXT? BUSH I and II REHAB THEMSELVES FOR A GENERATION? Next Election we get JEB?

Where does this END. It's CIRCULAR! :shrug:

[mzmolly]

27. You haven't seen the massive number of people here questioning Stupak?

:shrug:

[Raineyb]

28. I didn't see you post anything saying he should give up his health care. n/t

[mzmolly]

29. I said that everyone who votes no should. I've said it numerous times and long before

I posted my thread about Kucinich, today.

[sabrina 1]

30. Because Rahm yelled at liberal groups for going after

Blue Dogs. He told them to leave the Blue Dogs alone.

Kucinich is a liberal. Rahm said liberals are 'stupid retards'.

Most important to remember in answer to your question:

Stupak's anti-women amendment was included by Democrats. Obviously women are dispensible.

Kucinich's pro states right to have single payer amendment was instantly shot down.

The administration is a DLC administration, therefore there will be no tolerance for liberal views. They only talk to liberals, correction, lie to liberals when it gets close to election time.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Not to mention there are like 20 of them saying they will vote no

and none of them get so much as a mention. Because it is not about the vote, it is about the voter, because he is right and the rest of them know it. All they can do is whine and whine about how they are not capable of anything more than mediocrity, how they are going it fix it later, or do a book report for extra credit to make up for it.