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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 02:00 PM
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Here are the finalists for Arne's money...FL and DC among them.
As the article says, this seems to show approval of the methods of DC's Michelle Rhee...and the huge movement in Florida to give money via vouchers to private schools and to build more charter schools.

From the Washington Post:

15 states, D.C. make first cut in Race to the Top school reform contest

I notice Rhode Island is there also, and we surely know the kind of school the president and Arne favor there.

Fifteen states and the District of Columbia survived the first cut Thursday in the Obama administration's unprecedented $4 billion school reform contest.

The announcement of finalists in the Race to the Top competition at 11:30 a.m. carried some political risk because few governors or state education leaders want to be told they are not in the vanguard of reform. It's also seen as a test of President Obama's resolve to push for major changes in public education as he seeks to rewrite the 2002 No Child Left Behind law.

The finalists are: Colorado, Delaware, the District, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina and Tennessee.

..."These states are an example for the country of what is possible when adults come together to do the right thing for children," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement. "Everyone that applied for Race to the Top is charting a path for education reform in America."


Oh, Arne, if Florida is an example of doing the right thing for children..if DC and NY methods of treating public schools with contempt are examples of doing the right thing..

then I fear for the future of education in this country.

Rhee is so powerful that even a WP columnist had his column edited when he was critical of her.

Who Censored the Washington Post’s Rhee Item?

Late night weirdness at the Washington Post, a paper that boasts arguably the best education coverage of any daily. A hard-hitting blog post by reporter Bill Turque, which took on both DC schools chancellor Michelle Rhee and his own newspaper’s editorial page, disappeared from the paper’s website for several hours, only to return with some of the more pointed turns of phrase removed.

Turque, who has clashed with Rhee over his tough reporting, has been covering the fallout from the chancellor’s latest controversial statements—a quote in Fast Company defending her dismissal of over 200 teachers last year. “I got rid of teachers who had hit children, who had had sex with children, who had missed 78 days of school. Why wouldn’t we take those things into consideration?” she told the magazine. Critics, including the head of the city council, erupted and demanded to know why Rhee didn’t say this at the time and whether law enforcement had been alerted.

Turque pressed Rhee to explain her controversial statement—how many of the 266 fired teachers had abused their positions? — and got nowhere. But on Tuesday, he read Rhee’s answer–in an editorial in his own paper. Six teachers were suspended for corporal punishment, two had been AWOL and only one faced allegations having sex with a student. The editorial cited “information released by the chancellor’s office on Monday.”

...."Sometime around 8pm last time, Turque’s piece vanished from the Post’s website. When it returned a few hours later, the phrase describing the Post’s editorials about Rhee as “protective and, at times, adoring” was gone. Other sections of the piece were similarly watered down.


And in NY Bloomberg has total mayoral control of the schools. He rules with an iron hand. Charters are moved into existing public schools and take them over.

Duncan has the final say on all this money. He once said he had 10 billion in discretionary spending.

Duncan has the final call on who wins, but aides say he will lay out in detail his justification if he departs from the expert rankings. Experts and former U.S. education officials say Duncan is the first education secretary to have control over so much money to drive school reform. Congress authorized the funding through the 2009 economic stimulus law but set few conditions on how to spend it.


I have lost faith in this administration's plans for education. They appall me.

I taught over 30 years, and I am sad to see this scornful attitude toward public schools.

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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 02:56 PM
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1. "Race to the top," my ass! Business models (NCLB), corporate
pedagogy, rote learning, incentive pay for teachers to crank out dividends from the corporate "investments" aka students/children and/or future "worker bees" and consumers. This shit is well past disgusting. This is EVIL and insidious and the KICKER of ALL THIS SHIT, is they've got the DEMOCRATS signing off of on it!!!!

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:27 PM
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2. +1000000000000
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:31 PM
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3. Our party has been leading the way with plans from the DLC.
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 03:31 PM by madfloridian
Al From pleaded their case from his corporate perch at the leadership of the DLC.

Al From called for charter schools in 2000. Detailed plans are found at the DLC website.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:37 PM
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5. This is why I'm not buying into this "new democrat" meme.
There's already entirely too much infiltration into what USED TO BE the Democratic party. Until the dems clean house, I think I'm going Independent! Fuck it!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:49 PM
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7. We have been thinking about doing the same.
Hubby and I are taking some time to think about it, but the destruction of public schools is unbearable to me.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:29 PM
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12. 'Race to the top', led by Democratic torch-bearers. Disgraceful.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:49 PM
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13. Get used to it
Obama has almost three years left in first term.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:25 PM
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20. True, that Obama claimed our voices mattered was probably a con job.
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 10:30 PM by Mithreal
But you were fishing for that sort of a response and rubbing salt in DU'er wounds.

edit to avoid deletion
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:01 PM
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24. President Obama promised to support school choice and charter schools when he ran for President
Only those who were not paying attention during the campaign would be shocked.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:38 AM
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27. Only people who thought we would be listened to should be shocked
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:44 AM
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29. He is listening. But there are many opinions, apperently there are some more convincing than yours
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:45 PM
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32. Really, that is the best you have?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:17 PM
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33. You seem to be laboring under the delusion that there is only one way to reform schools
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:25 PM
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35. Oh really? Are you an educator or just make a hobby out of playing one?
Never trust the professionals in the field to know the most about how to fix a problem.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:30 PM
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30. Yes, we knew that but we didn't think he meant a TOTAL
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:33 PM by Fire1
TAKEOVER to dismantle public education across this country, one state at a time!!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:18 PM
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34. Do you not believe that public schools able to compete with charter schools?
:shrug:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:26 PM
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36. Peddle your tired ass competition metaphors elsewhere.
That is 100% Republican meme.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:27 PM
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37. No, it is an Obama meme
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:32 PM
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39. I stand corrected. Obama is tripping over himself to sound like a Republican.
I have said that many times, what's new.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:02 PM
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44. Republicans don't own the issue of improving schools
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:24 PM
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45. They used to own the issue of privatizing public schools.
This is why I like challenging you, you make me see it from a conservadem perspective.

President Obama is really messing with some conservative heads. If the brainwashed ever begin to see through all the fog, they will see Obama is not so different. Can see why Beck and Limbaugh are so furious.

Hey, and on a personal note, that big old blue dog, is that just there to goad Progressives?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:48 PM
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40. Where's the competition when charters are getting all of the
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:03 PM by Fire1
funding?!! People hollering, "Don't raise my taxes!!!" Public education can't survive without it!! Tell ya what, though! I want to see charters get the brightest and the best paying bullshit incentive pay and 35k salaries! They'll get some desparate soul to man the assembly line but they damned sure won't get the "brightest and the best!" And guess who will come out on the LOSING end! Certainly not the "teachers!" Certainly not the corporations investing in the final product (another schmuck working behind the counter at walmart making minimum wages.)

edit to add: Ultimately, this is nowhere near "competitiveness." This is building a MONOPOLY!
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:26 PM
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46. Public schools outperform the conservative alternatives, just remember that.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:06 PM
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43. I'd add to my earlier comment that this should have been the argument
for a comprehensive public option available to all, you know, competition.

But see, competition is only ++good when it meets the agenda of deep pocket corporate puppet masters.

Otherwise competition is something that must be avoided at all costs.

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:31 PM
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16. !!!
:thumbsup: Thank you!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:33 PM
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4. I'll bet President Obama has no idea what Duncan is doing
If only the President knew, I'm sure that he would put a stop to it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:48 PM
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6. You CAN'T be serious!!!!! Doesn't know!!!! Where have you
been????? These two are best buds from CHICAGO!! When duncan was Superintendent he hired 18 Broad residents to fill administrative positions in that system!! More than ANY OTHER super in ANY DISTRICT across the U.S.!!!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 04:58 PM
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10. Fire 1 is right... Obama has been consistently awful (even during the campaign) on Education
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 04:59 PM by JCMach1
One are I 100% disagreed with him on, yet (of course) choose to overlook given the options.

He really doesn't have a clue in this area and hired a 'bud' who is just as clueless.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:28 PM
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11. Oh HELL YES!! THEY HAVE A CLUE!! So does Bill Gates
and Sam Walton's dynasty. You should see the list of corporations "investing" in the children!!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:03 AM
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28. Meaning the wrong clue
d'accord
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:23 PM
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19. You are hilarious. Remind everyone to tip their waiters while you are at it.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:30 PM
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38. Doesn't know what he is doing?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 04:02 PM
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8. Btw, K&R n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 04:15 PM
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9. K&R
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:58 PM
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14. An important fact about RTTT:
States accepting the money must agree to

1. tie teacher pay to student performance

2. abolish tenure
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:26 PM
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15. AND lift the cap on charter schools.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:34 PM
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17. Thanks!
I didn't know that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:41 PM
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18. They altered one of the 3 requirements a "little" bit, don't know which one.
I read it somewhere and don't remember.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:29 PM
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21. An ever increasing nightmare for public education. nt
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:33 PM
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22. Obama is "going to China" on more than education.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:42 PM
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23. Oh thank God, Missouri isn't on that list
We could, of course, use that money. But we don't need the kind of strings that are attached to it.
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:19 PM
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25. As far back as "The Music Man" and probably to the ...
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 11:19 PM by webDude
...beginning of time, "Who will think of the CHILDREN!!?"
Worked then, works now.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:27 PM
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26. I Want To Post Something To Convey My Ire, But Can Simply Say That
perhaps Repukes don't HAVE to spread FEAR to win elections!!

I already have enough FEAR to carry me forward, and from MY OWN PARTY!! I saw a person on The Dylan Ratigan Show a couple of days ago, a young woman talking about the Coffee Party. I guess the web site stuck in my mind because if I recall correctly it's www.coffeepartyusa.com, but if not it's pretty close! I like what she was saying and her answers to Ratigan made a lot of sense. Unlike the Tea Party she simply stated that they wanted to focus on what people really wanted. To organize in a way as a movement that was grounded and not wild-eyed (my words) but to bring a voice to people who have become disillusioned!

No mad freaks, or belligerent voices, just concerned citizens who want to recapture a sense of Democracy!

It caught my interest and NOW I'm thinking I want to research it more!

I'm so fed up! On the 16th we have a Special Election here asking us to vote to continue funding our schools for programs like soccer that my grand daughter participates in. She asked us to please vote yes... 500 teachers are slated to lose their jobs here as my daughter's ex-wife is a teacher and has informed us of this fact!

Here in America we already are losing the battle for "better education" and NOW this! If I switch and become an Independent, we can't vote in Primaries... but I don't feel like I'm part of the Democratic Party that's in D.C. anymore!

Can it REALLY be that Obama et al have really done this?? My eyes say yes, my heart doesn't want to see it! I think this is what FEAR looks like, and I think what I'm feeling is FEAR too!

I KNOW this country has faced upheaval in the past and we have been able to overcome the woes, but as a Boomer I don't think I've ever felt so helpless about what we can do! Will today's younger generation rise up enough to fight back? I keep hearing that "my generation" needs to step aside because what we believe in is outdated, so I can only implore the younger ones to make their voices heard because I don't see this mess turning around anytime soon!

:banghead: :scared: :hurts: :cry:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:34 PM
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31. And CA bent over for Arne with no lube
and got bupkis. :grr:
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:51 PM
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41. Illinois?!?

The State of Illinois found a loophole in the laws requiring they provide funding to the schools. It never says when the funding must be provided. So the state has begun withholding funds causing massive layoffs of teachers all across the state this year.

What exactly are they modeling? How to shut down public schools?

More and more I come to believe that Obama is totally clueless on this subject. Chicago experienced major improvement in their schools. So the Chicago guy must know what he's doing. Right? Just one problem ... Arne Duncan wasn't in charge.

It was Paul Vallas. Arne came after him. All of Arne's "reforms" have been aimed at lowering costs. He made ZERO education reforms. I sincerely believe that Obama has mistaken Arne Duncan for Paul Vallas.

In truth, Paul Vallas did not reform education. He reformed the hallways, putting security in place to stop all the killings. When I moved to Chicago in 1985, school shootings were so common place that they weren't even page one news. Let there be a shooting in a Chicago school today, and it'll headline the national news. Chicago schools are VASTLY safer today.

Common sense tells you that kids have to score better on an exam when not worried about being shot while taking the exam.


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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:33 PM
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42. If we only had single payer
Think of all the money that could be available to improve public schools.
I wonder how many school districts have gone through cuts annually. How can one provide quality education to children when every year there are cuts in programs which requires shifting of staff. Tragic!
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:54 PM
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47. New Jersey one of the "losers."
New Jersey's application wiped out in the first round. Story here: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/nj_is_out_of_running_for_435b.html

New Jersey's newly-elected governor is Chris Christie- a conservative Republican who rode the backlash from Jersey's property tax, deficit, and other economic woes- into the office formerly occupied by Goldman Sachs alum Jon Corzine. Mr. Christie gained prominence as the United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, having been appointed by George W. Bush for whom he was a Pioneer fundraiser in the 2000 election.

His education commissioner is Bret Schundler, former Jersey City mayor and the unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor in 2001 who was defeated by Jim McGreevey.

From the article:

The New Jersey Education Association, the state’s largest teachers union, had recommended its local chapters oppose Race to the Top. Officials objected to provisions that emphasize standardized testing and connect teacher pay with results. They also questioned how programs would be paid for when the money ends, as well as the emphasis on charter schools.

NJEA officials met with Schundler earlier this week. A union spokesman, Steve Wollmer, said the two sides agreed to examine the applications of winning states and consider modifying New Jersey’s proposal for the second round. But, he said, the group’s position remains unchanged.

"We’re very comfortable with our opposition to this (program)," Wollmer said. "We think (U.S. Secretary of Education) Arne Duncan’s vision of how to increase student achievement is very, very misinformed."...

Sometimes losing feels exactly like winning. My condolences in advance to the RTTT "winners."

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