McCain: "We Arizonans hate California because they've stolen our water."

[Renew Deal]

That's an insane statement whether it's true or not. Jan Brewer should send the Arizona national guard to get the water back from those Californian thieves! :crazy:

[marmar]

1. What water?

[mitchtv]

7. Sieze the east bank of the Colo. river

build settlements, as most people over towards Bullhead and such places are Californians anyway. I resent them destroying the Imperial Valley to benefit Phoenix.

[paulsby]

12. i feel a sam kinison joke coming

on here...

[Feron]

22. LOL! Great minds think alike.

You know what this is?! This is sand...

Kinison is sorely missed.

[cherokeeprogressive]

79. Oddly enough, Kinnison died within sight of the Colorado River, in AZ. n/t

[lapfog_1]

17. Usually, when Arizona and California start talking "stealing water"

they are talking about the Colorado River (grand canyon, hover dam, etc). That most of the water in the Colorado actually originates in Colorado and Utah, never occurs to them. And, not to put to fine a point on it, by the time the Colorado passes through Yuma and into Mexico, there is barely a trickle left for the poor Mexican farmers in that region. The Mexicans have been making up for that by "stealing" the water from the San Pedro river before in enters Arizona (yup, a river that runs south to north), thereby making it harder for the Arizona farmers along the San Pedro and the Gila (which it is a tributary of).

Water wars in the west are nothing new, everyone is "stealing" from someone else. Sometimes I wish we could simply depopulate the western US and Mexico.

[harkadog]

57. If you live in California you could start the process.

[lapfog_1]

89. I live in Arizona for this week,

Next week I move back to California (where I lived for 20 years prior to moving to Arizona).

[proud patriot]

2. John McCain can kiss my Californian ass !

I wonder how food of McCain's comes from California .

I think Arnold should do or say someting ..

[krkaufman]

50. I'll respect Ahnuld a slight bit more if/when he does.

McCain was likely posturing for his primary challenge, but such divisiveness needs to have a cost.

[calimary]

69. What you said!

And how much of our wine and our drugs? And how many of our movies and TV shows and celebrities has he oggled? And how much of our software development has he used? Even gladder you didn't win, mcsame!

[blueworld]

3. They've both been stealing it from WA & Oregon for a hundred years. What a jerkbag. n/t

[Umbral]

4. I don't know to what this references, but if there is any water missing from the area...

Clark County took it.

[Blue Owl]

5. Time to trot out the "Old Man Shouts at Cloud" headline from the Simpsons

n/t

[Renew Deal]

15. This one?

[Blue Owl]

25. Yes!

Gracias!

[LeftyMom]

6. Dear Senator McCain,

You live in the fucking desert.

Best wishes,
California

[KamaAina]

36. P.S. Senator,

Your state, which as previously noted is in the middle of the fucking desert, stuck a huge, multi-billion-dollar straw called the "Central Arizona Project" into the very Colorado River that you are currently ranting about.

TTFN,
Cali :loveya:

[harkadog]

58. At least people are not fleeing Arizona

The same can't be said about CA.

[LeftyMom]

71. California has a 1% population growth rate. Arizona has a 1.5% growth rate.

I'm not sure how a growing population constitutes people "fleeing".

[harkadog]

73. California may lose a congress seat in this census due to loss of population

"The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period -- more than any other state, according to census estimates." http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/business/Cost-of-Living-Sucks-Everyone-Leaving-California.html

[LeftyMom]

74. Your data is old. Mine's through July 2009.

http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-pop-chg.html

[harkadog]

76. You are comparing different things

Population growth and people moving in/out of a state are two different things. You can have a net loss of people moving out of the state vs. those moving in but still have population growth from new borns and illegal immigration. The point is that the people who know CA the best, the people that live there, are fleeing and out numbering the suckers moving in. The babies born there don't have a choice.

[Cass]

8. Did he really say that? At the health care reform meeting?

:wtf:

[Maru Kitteh]

9. Yes he did. Flibbin' idiot.

[Cass]

23. Omg, what an odd thing to blurt out at a health care meeting.

[Maru Kitteh]

77. It was a really odd moment, to be sure n/t

[Iggo]

10. Bring it on, 'Zona!

We got yer stolen water right here!

[Throd]

11. SoCal steals it from NorCal

Gotta have those green lawns in Mission Viejo.

[Lebam in LA]

13. Don't forget Palm Desert

I had a friend move down to Palm Desert a few years ago and the complex they bought a home in, required 75% of therir landscaping in their front yard had to be grass

[Confusious]

51. SoCal steals from everyone.

As you said, gotta have those green lawns.

[Juneboarder]

14. McCain can say good bye to any CA supporters...

What a LOSER with a capital L!!

[Confusious]

52. Ok, just in general

I didn't know people in California could vote for an Arizona senator.

I don't think he really cares.

[Juneboarder]

85. He's still speaking in front of a national audience... -nt

[Make7]

16. Anyone interested in the history of water in the SouthWest should read "Cadillac Desert"...

... by Mark Reisner. (amazon)

In 1933, the Arizona Governor did call up the National Guard in an attempt to stop a dam project for California. The fight over the Colorado River water allocation has been going on between the seven basin states for quite a long time - and it will probably only escalate in years to come as water resources are further outpaced by population.
 

[mvccd1000]

83. Great read. Anyone in any of the Colorado River states should have this knowledge. nt

[City Lights]

18. What a fool.

Did he try and weave that gem into something health-care related, or did he just blurt it out?

[Renew Deal]

20. Both?

:shrug:

[Alexander]

19. Uh, no, rich old white people building golf courses in the desert stole your water.

They keep sprinklers running, day in and day out, on the golf courses all over the Phoenix area.

Golf courses have no business being in the middle of the desert, but don't tell that to any golfers in Arizona.

[Confusious]

21. Uhh, just for your info

We use reclaimed water to water the golf courses out here, along with public grass, when you can find it.

And you could drive for blocks and not find a patch of grass.

many big signs saying "Don't drink the water"

As for McCain, he's still a little petty man.

[Alexander]

27. "Bacteria from reclaimed water in sprinklers can travel more than 1000 feet in the air"

United States Environmental Protection Agency, 1997.

Some parasites are not killed by the chlorination process and can be spread through the air with sprinklers.

This is hardly a solution.

[Confusious]

33. You were making a case about water use in AZ

I corrected your assumptions that we were wasting water.

Not talking about bacteria. Stay on topic please.

[Alexander]

38. Yes, you're saving water by spraying dirty shit water everywhere.

"I corrected your assumptions that we were wasting water."

Actually it's not an assumption, since not every golf course in the Phoenix area uses reclaimed water.

"Not talking about bacteria. Stay on topic please."

When the only option to not waste more water is to spray bacteria-filled water all over the place, maybe it's time to stop putting golf courses in the desert.

[Confusious]

45. Maybe it's time you came up with a more current study then 1997

http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/water/what_is_reclaim.htm

http://phoenix.gov/greenphoenix/sustainability/summary/water.html

"I corrected your assumptions that we were wasting water."

Actually it's not an assumption, since not every golf course in the Phoenix area uses reclaimed water.

Q: Why doesn’t Phoenix do something about golf courses and others who use a lot of water?

A: Golf courses and many other businesses, not only are vital to our economy, but they use some of the most highly advanced watering systems available. After all, they need to look out for their bottom line. Additionally, many Valley golf courses use non-potable water, such as non-drinkable well water and reclaimed water, which is highly treated wastewater, to water their turf areas. Golf courses are an asset that contributes heavily to the draw for tourism in the Valley, which, in turn, creates jobs and helps keep the economy healthy. In total, golf course water use constitutes less than three percent of total water delivered by the city of Phoenix .

http://phoenix.gov/WATER/drtfaq.html

I hear you bitching about our few golf courses in Arizona of which most use reclaimed water and at most, take 3% of the total water phoenix uses. I hear no bitching about the millions of residential lawns in California that don't even start to try.

In addition, while some may not use reclaimed water, they use non-drinkable water from wells and other sources. They also have the most advanced watering systems you can get.

We know we live in a desert, and water is scarce. Maybe some people who don't live in the desert should get the message that water is scarce too.

[Alexander]

53. At least I posted studies, unlike you. Here are some more recent ones.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19555373

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es050607l

http://eponline.com/articles/2009/10/06/dna-method-identifies-unknown-viruses-in-reclaimed-water.aspx

Matthew Wook Chang, Freshteh Toghrol, William Bentley, (2007) Toxicogenomic Response to Chlorination Includes Induction of Major Virulence Genes in Staphylococcus aureus,Environ. Sci. Technol., 41(21)7570-7575.

Timothy Lapara, Sara Firl, (2006) The Importance of Municipal Sewage Treatment in the Spread of Antibiotic resistance,100th General Meeting of the American Society for Microbiology, May 21-25, 2006. Orlando Fl.

"Overall, the environmental and public health impacts of irrigation with reclaimed sewage effluent and the potential degradation of underlying groundwater are largely unknown." - US Dept of Agriculture, 2005 Report

"I hear you bitching about our few golf courses in Arizona"

Few? Few? There are golf courses everywhere. What a bunch of apologist bullshit. "Few" my ass.

"I hear no bitching about the millions of residential lawns in California that don't even start to try."

There are plenty of residential lawns in Phoenix as well, not to mention swimming pools. And with a skyrocketing population, the situation is only going to get worse.

The reasons I didn't single out California are 1) McCain is not a senator from California, and 2) I had the pleasure of living in Phoenix and seeing how ass-backwards everything is run out there.

"In addition, while some may not use reclaimed water, they use non-drinkable water from wells and other sources. They also have the most advanced watering systems you can get."

Yes, "some" - I see you're implicitly conceding a key point of mine, that not all golf courses and lawns use reclaimed water in the Phoenix area.

And if you want non-drinkable water in Phoenix, try the tap.

"We know we live in a desert, and water is scarce."

Really? When I lived there from 02-09, it seemed as if people needed a constant reminder.

"Maybe some people who don't live in the desert should get the message that water is scarce too."

I got that message loud and clear a long time ago, and have always gone to great pains to conserve water. Maybe you could act a little less like an apologist for Arizonans and realize that many of your neighbors are part of the problem.

[Confusious]

54. I like your studies

The first one:

"Established human pathogens were not detected in reclaimed water viral metagenomes, which contained a wealth of novel single-stranded DNA and RNA viruses related to plant, animal and insect viruses. Therefore, reclaimed water may play a role in the dissemination of highly stable viruses."

Highly stable virus are a good thing, if you didn't know. AIDS has been such a challenge because it keeps changing.
Oh, and human pathogens were not found.

The Second:

Cryptosporidium and Giardia were detected in 16% (12/77) and 43% (33/77) of nonpotable reclaimed water samples, whereas no infectious Cryptosporidium parvum were detected in any of the samples. No infectious enteroviruses were detected in any sample (0/27)

One, Cryptosporidium, is not fatal, and is in pretty much every water system in the world. Giarda is the most common cause of diarhra in the United States. Good luck wiping them out.

The third:

The chlorination practices at some utilities were not sufficient to inactivate coliforms and coliphages, but supplemental ultraviolet disinfection resulted in lower numbers of these microbial indicators.

So ultraviolet light kills them. They use that for drinking water here, so they are probably using it for recovered water.

Rosario reports that none of the viruses are human pathogens, putting to rest the most serious of fears about humans using treated wastewater.

No human pathogens, highly stable viruses. That's a good thing.

The rest:

"I hear you bitching about our few golf courses in Arizona"

Few? Few? There are golf courses everywhere. What a bunch of apologist bullshit. "Few" my ass.

That use less then 3% of the water phoenix uses. Noticed you forgot to mention that.

"I hear no bitching about the millions of residential lawns in California that don't even start to try."

There are plenty of residential lawns in Phoenix as well, not to mention swimming pools. And with a skyrocketing population, the situation is only going to get worse.

The reasons I didn't single out California are 1) McCain is not a senator from California, and 2) I had the pleasure of living in Phoenix and seeing how ass-backwards everything is run out there.

I have seen very few there, and I've lived here from 97-now. There are lawns, but on city or state grounds, parks, which use the reclaimed water. Just a hatred of Arizona then?

"In addition, while some may not use reclaimed water, they use non-drinkable water from wells and other sources. They also have the most advanced watering systems you can get."

Yes, "some" - I see you're implicitly conceding a key point of mine, that not all golf courses and lawns use reclaimed water in the Phoenix area.

And if you want non-drinkable water in Phoenix, try the tap.

I admit no such thing. Some use reclaimed water, some use non-drinkable water from a well or another source. Non-drinkable is the key word here. We have a problem with water fit for human consumption. Non-drinkable doesn't count.

"We know we live in a desert, and water is scarce."

Really? When I lived there from 02-09, it seemed as if people needed a constant reminder.

I find that hard to believe considering the number of gravel lawns I have seen, which would be near 100% for residential.

"Maybe some people who don't live in the desert should get the message that water is scarce too."

I got that message loud and clear a long time ago, and have always gone to great pains to conserve water. Maybe you could act a little less like an apologist for Arizonans and realize that many of your neighbors are part of the problem.

Ah, so I'm an apologist now. Someone should make a rule, you know like the internet "NAZI rule." Apologist and shill should be included.

I guess you just didn't pay much attention to the state of water conservation here, you were so busy hating the place.

[Alexander]

80. Only because you are speaking total nonsense.

"Highly stable virus are a good thing, if you didn't know. AIDS has been such a challenge because it keeps changing.
Oh, and human pathogens were not found.

One, Cryptosporidium, is not fatal, and is in pretty much every water system in the world. Giarda is the most common cause of diarhra in the United States. Good luck wiping them out. "

Yay! "It's not fatal". That's a fantastic slogan in favor of the Arizona water supply!

"So ultraviolet light kills them. They use that for drinking water here, so they are probably using it for recovered water."

"Probably"? It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Never mind the fact that you completely ignored one of the studies I posted.

Whatever, I guess you'll cherry-pick whatever suits your goals.

"I have seen very few there, and I've lived here from 97-now. There are lawns, but on city or state grounds, parks, which use the reclaimed water. Just a hatred of Arizona then?"

Nope. See, unlike you, I went out and explored the Phoenix area. I saw many lawns which required frequent watering. If you got out more, you'd see this too.

"I admit no such thing. Some use reclaimed water, some use non-drinkable water from a well or another source."

Not all of them. Try again.

"Non-drinkable is the key word here. We have a problem with water fit for human consumption. Non-drinkable doesn't count."

Yes, even the tap water there is not fit for human consumption. Nice try, though.

"I find that hard to believe considering the number of gravel lawns I have seen, which would be near 100% for residential."

You must live and socialize in the same area, otherwise this would not be the case.

Oh well, I suppose I can't convince you to get out more.

"Ah, so I'm an apologist now. Someone should make a rule, you know like the internet "NAZI rule." Apologist and shill should be included."

Of course. Because you dismiss any concerns about how Phoenix residents handle the water situation, I must be equating you with the Nazis. What a bullshit straw man.



"I guess you just didn't pay much attention to the state of water conservation here, you were so busy hating the place."

Actually I did, and that's one reason I disliked Phoenix so much. The people who don't care about the water situation make pathetic excuses for why Phoenix shouldn't be singled out as a tremendous drain on the water supply. Much like you're doing now.

I guess you're so in love with the place that you are oblivious to everything that goes wrong there.

[Confusious]

81. I guess if you can't read, you'd think it was nonsense

Yay! "It's not fatal". That's a fantastic slogan in favor of the Arizona water supply!

Very reasoned response. Backed up with studies and logic. :sarcasm:

"Probably"? It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Never mind the fact that you completely ignored one of the studies I posted.

Whatever, I guess you'll cherry-pick whatever suits your goals.

Ultraviolet light is long proven to kill microbes.

Nope, I looked at both the studies, and read the articles. You're just upset because the studies you provided backed up my argument, not yours.

"I have seen very few there, and I've lived here from 97-now. There are lawns, but on city or state grounds, parks, which use the reclaimed water. Just a hatred of Arizona then?"

Nope. See, unlike you, I went out and explored the Phoenix area. I saw many lawns which required frequent watering. If you got out more, you'd see this too.

"I admit no such thing. Some use reclaimed water, some use non-drinkable water from a well or another source."

Not all of them. Try again.

As far as the golf courses go, they use 3% of the water phoenix uses. Most use reclaimed water. What percentage of that is regular water? less then .5%? You can continue along this line, but it would be petty.

"In Arizona, the Arizona Department of Water Resources controls the state's water supply. Acreage limitations have been in place since 1985, and all new courses must prove they have access to a renewable water source. Most of the 198 18-hole courses in the Phoenix area rely heavily -- in some cases, totally -- on recycled water for irrigation."

http://www.nctimes.com/sports/golf/article_a70716b1-f80f-519e-9853-1683911bc6b9.html

Yes, even the tap water there is not fit for human consumption. Nice try, though.

Yet another reasoned response. Backed up with studies and logic. :sarcasm:

Of course. Because you dismiss any concerns about how Phoenix residents handle the water situation, I must be equating you with the Nazis. What a bullshit straw man.

No. The rule goes "the first person to call the other a NAZI (Hitler), or compares the other person to a NAZI (Hitler) loses the argument." I was just saying there should be a similar rule for calling someone an apologist or shill. It's nothing but name-calling when you got nothing left.

As far as our water usage goes, Of the three states that get water from the Colorado, Arizona uses the least per capita. California is second and Nevada is third. Can we do better? Probably.

Should we get all the blame for our golf courses? Not when the other states are using more, and in Nevada's case, almost twice as much.

[Juneboarder]

86. Did you forget that SoCal is a desert as well? -nt

[NNN0LHI]

24. I think if we allowed a natural flow of the Colorado River it ends up in Mexico

Not in someones swimming pool in California or Arizona.

Don

[harkadog]

61. You could say that about any river in the country

And watch tens of millions of jobs disappear. Great solution.

[lolly]

70. Oddly enough

A covered swimming pool uses a little bit less water than a standard lawn with the same surface area.

[arbusto_baboso]

26. And we Californians hate Senator McCain because he's a senile, lying old sack of shit.

And my statement will have about as much affect on policy as his will.

[blondeatlast]

30. Funny, Us Arizonans hate him for the exact same reason. nt

[arbusto_baboso]

31. And that's a point on which Arizona and California can build better relations! n/t

[tabbycat31]

42. that's not unique to California

[blondeatlast]

28. He has no problem with the Palo Verde nuke feeding California at our

peril, though.

What. A. Fucking. Tool.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. We're hated?

:cry:

[Froward69]

32. Pardon me here but

Arizona (especially John McCain's neighborhood.) Wastes enough water on golf courses to otherwise provide the potable water for thousands of House holds every year.


HEY John It's a FUCKING DESERT!!! Sam Kension(?) is missed...

[thelordofhell]

34. Golf course water

Both Arizona and California use reclaimed water to water their golf courses.

[Confusious]

35. Umm, we use reclaimed water

To water those golf courses.

Don't care for golf or McCain or incorrect info.

Maybe California could do with a few less grass lawns, like Arizona.

[Juneboarder]

87. Maybe you should move to CA

since you're so bitter towards us? Hell, we'd welcome you here... lots of freepers roamin' around.

[Cleita]

37. I thought it was Nevada that was doing most of the stealing, you know Hoover dam,

the Colorado river and all that jazz. Las Vegas uses a large part of the water and electricity generated. Here's a website that tries to break down California's water use.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389&topic_id=7795181&mesg_id=7795181

According to this the Colorado river in Arizona supplies seven states including California and some goes to Mexico. California only gets a part of all its water from Arizona.

[Alias Dictus Tyrant]

65. Nevada only gets 2% of the water from Colorado river basin.

They are the only state that get approximately nothing from the Colorado river, hence why they are hyper-conservative with water.

[bridgit]

39. How much water *could* Arizonans possibly need to soak their dentures before The Snow Bird Special?

Could not possibly be more than a tea cup

[City Lights]

40. How much are you wasting on places like Waveland, John?

50 million gallons to fill it up, and another 60-100 million each year to replenish the water lost due to evaporation and splashing.

Go suck an egg, John.

[Odin2005]

41. Right, all those golf courses and lawns in Phoenix have nothing to do with it.

:eyes:

[Confusious]

48. They use reclaimed water

and 3% of the total water phoenix uses.

So no, it isn't the golf courses.

[Marr]

43. Wow. Why is it alright for these assholes to say they "hate" America, when

the part being discussed is California or the Northeast? Can you imagine one of these clowns ever saying they "hate" Arkansas?

[Art_from_Ark]

67. Actually, Arkansas has been the brunt of many jokes

Not necessarily from politicians, but from writers like Mark Twain and Ambrose Bierce, cartoons like the Flintstones (when Fred was caught up in a feud between the Hatrocks and the Flintstones in "Arkanstone"), to the sorry-ass Bicentennial "tribute" the Today Show did to Arkansas in 1976 (featuring a hillbilly fiddler for nearly the entire piece). I imagine quite a few politicians were also making fun of Arkansas during and after the Little Rock Central High crisis, and 20 years later, when I took my first trip to the Northeast, I was surprised to find that many people there still associated Arkansas with the Little Rock incident. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that back in the day, at least, there were quite a few political clowns who were getting their jollies at Arkansas' expense.

[Jennicut]

84. They like to slam New England an awful lot. But then the other coast gets it occasionally too.

[Igel]

44. The history is fairly complicated.

In the 1920s there was a compact formed between Western states on how to apportion the Colorado River water. Nevada, Arizona, California were all given allocations for "normal" years. In most years there was surplus--either the river contained more water than foreseen by the compact or states weren't using their full allocation.

California quickly started to use its full allocation--Imperial and Coachella valleys needed a lot of water--and then came to rely on nearly all the surplus otherwise unallocated.

By the late '90s Arizona and Nevada needed their full allocation. Except that California had been diverting the water for its uses for years and really couldn't stop without some nasty consequences. On the one hand, LA needed the water; on the other, agriculture needed it. It relied on history, sort of squatter's rights for water use. Arizona and Nevada insisted on having the terms of the compact implemented. Most Californians looked upon it the way they'd look at some poor, starving person (themselves) who had lived in abandoned property for 20 years and fixed it up--squatter's rights are good. Most Arizonans looked at it from the POV of the property owner who was away for a long time only to come back and find that the house they were expecting to live in during their retirement was occupied and claimed by others. There was no win-win scenario.

It took litigation and a lot of griping to get an interim agreement, which became the Colorado River water delivery agreement. Even then, California didn't sign on as quickly as it was supposed to, and there were special provisions for when too much water is diverted.

That's it as of 2002 or 2003. After that, I don't know, I lost interest in the matter since I had been away from Calif. for a few years. But Arizona had been denied its full allocation for a good number of years because California used it (perfectly legally for a long time) during the years when the arid and semi-arid SoCal had exceptional population and agricultural growth but Arizona had anemic population growth. When Arizona's population was larger Calif. simply said, "You can't have it, we think we need it more than you need it. Don't like it? Sue us."

Most Californians only know about water issues that affect California now--often simply because it's adversely affecting salmonids in the north. Water in Calif. was nasty, dirty business.

[dana_b]

46. hmmm....

I'm in the Bay Area and we get our water from the Sierras so unless AZ has moved....

[Confusious]

47. This is about southern California. n/t

[krkaufman]

49. yeah, I thought that was a serious breach ...

... and none-too-productive relative to the summit.

Yet another "get off my lawn" moment from McCain.

[Hawkeye-X]

55. Uh, McCain...

Colorado River produces the water from OUR mountains (the Rockies)....

It ain't yours either.

Hawkeye-X

[Confusious]

56. As far as the law is concerned

The agreement to share the water was between arizona, nevada and california.

California keeps taking more then it's share and telling us to fuck off.

[anonymous171]

59. DEYTOOKRWATER!!!!

[NC_Nurse]

60. Yeah, Phoenix et. al. had SO much water to steal...

WTF? Isn't most of Arizona desert? Except for Flagstaff and the mountains up in the northern part of the state. Any rivers that come down
into the state came from somewhere else first, so how does he decide it's AZ's water/

He's such a jerk anyway. WTF does that have to do with healthcare?

[Confusious]

62. Well, it's got nothing to do with healthcare

gramps forgot his Metamucil.

But as for the water:

The agreement to share colorado river water was between arizona, nevada and california.

California keeps taking more then it's share and telling us to fuck off.

[NC_Nurse]

66. Too many folks living in a desert. I read about the Nevada SC not allowing

Vegas to take water from the northern Nevada ranchers and farmers. They've been fighting for some time over that too.

Water wars will be the next big thing I guess. Great.

[Lyric]

63. Actually, they're all stealing water from the Navajo.

Nobody respects the ORIGINAL water rights of the First People in that region. But hey, what do THEY matter?

http://ag.arizona.edu/azwater/awr/marapr03/feature2.html

[Ptah]

64. Hayduke lives!

[rufus dog]

68. McCain was making a point about Tort reform

He started by saying CA and TX had enacted reform then made the CA slam. It could have been a Sr. moment because holding CA as an example of successful reform would be friggin insane.

[Grand Taurean]

72. SoCal gets most of their water from NorCal.

McCain is W------A------Y past his prime.

[Confusious]

78. He is past his prime

But on the issue of Socal getting most of their water from NoCal, not really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Aqueduct

The Colorado River Aqueduct is a 242 mi (389 km) water conveyance in Southern California in the United States, operated by the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (MWD). The aqueduct impounds water from the Colorado River at Lake Havasu on the California-Arizona border west across the Mojave and Colorado deserts to the east side of the Santa Ana Mountains. It is one of the primary sources of drinking water for Southern California.

[Caliman73]

82. Actually...

California's water delivery systems manage about 40 million acre feet of water per year. 4.4 million acre feet come from the Colorado River systems. That is a little more than 10%. While the Colorado may be a primary source of drinking water for Southern California, drinking water is only about 10% of the water used in the state. California gets 75% of it's total water from north of Sacramento. The Central Valley is the second major source. The Colorado is 3rd.

You are right that California is using more than its fair share of the water allotment from the Colorado. We need to wean off and comply with the compact with Wyoming, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and Mexico which all have a claim in the river's water not just Arizona and Nevada.

[ThoughtCriminal]

75. And they're stealing our coastline

if California wasn't there, Yuma would be beach front. They area also blocking our view of Hawaii and Japan.

But regarding the issue, the allocation of Colorado River by acre-ft rather than percentage wasn't a very good idea.

[olegramps]

88. You mean the water that they stole from Colorado?