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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:21 AM
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Why Leahy Is Afraid to Subpoena Yoo
We're about to witness the pretense of war lawyer hearings without the war lawyers (commonly known as torture lawyers by those willing to ignore their role in "legalizing" aggressive war). This may highlight for many observers the little-known fact that Congress no longer has the power of subpoena.

During 2007-2008 Democratic congressional committees subpoenaed dozens of Bush officials, who simply refused to comply. Although any committee has the undisputed power to use the Capitol Police to enforce its subpoenas, none did. They asked the Bush Justice Department to do it. They sued the Bush Justice Department in court. But, with the exception of a weird deal for partial and secret compliance by Karl Rove in 2009, not a single one of the scofflaws has been compelled to show up.

During 2009-2010 none of the subpoenaed officials have been re-subpoenaed. When torture memos were made public in April 2009, Senator Patrick Leahy, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, asked memo author Jay Bybee to testify, and Bybee declined. Leahy did not issue a subpoena. Congressman John Conyers, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, in 2009 and 2010 has impeached a judge for groping and another for petty corruption, but has not so much as asked Bybee (or Yoo) to appear.

The new Justice Department, equal to the last in its subservience to the White House, will no more enforce subpoenas for congressional committees than the last one would. None of the committees have sprouted testicles, and are apparently afraid that John Yoo would crush them if they did. So, the Capitol Police have not been asked to pick any witnesses up. And the power of congressional subpoena has been laid to rest in the receding history of our free republic. And nobody has even noticed.

Of course, there will be occasions when the president approves of congress subpoenaing a witness. Perhaps some committee will find the courage to go after steroid use in another sport, for example. Maybe the oversight committee will decide to look into excessive activism by peace groups. But when it comes to using the power of subpoena against members or former members of the so-called executive branch, the only chance of revival will be a division of powers between the two main institutions of our government, the Democratic and Republican parties, and in fact -- given the bottomless timidity of congressional Democrats -- it will require a Republican congress. Thus the only hope of rolling back any presidential power, will be for a Republican congress to oppose a Democratic president strongly enough to neglect its principled concern for shifting all power permanently to the presidency.

In the meantime, we'll be treated to hearings on people's crimes without the presence of those people. What fun to question John Yoo and Jay Bybee without them in the room. How much more comfortable and reassuring not to have to face such dreadful enemies. How responsible to leave it to the citizen disrupters of book tour events and appeals court proceedings to question these national traitors.

And along with the power of subpoena, the power of impeachment must die as well. How could the House Judiciary Committee impeach Mr. Bybee, if it wanted to, given its inability to subpoena him?

And with the power of impeachment, the power of representative government must die as well. How can our representatives be compelled to represent us if they have no power to restrain the secondary (executive and judicial) branches' abuses of power?

Acting Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler will fill in for Yoo and Bybee at Leahy's hearing on Friday. I can imagine how this will go:

"When John Yoo says that a president can crush testicles, massacre villages, and nuke cities, Mr. Grindler, are there limits to that? Would a president have to stop after eight cities? Nine cities? Where's the line, if there is one?"

"I don't know," Senator. "I imagine you'd have to ask Professor Yoo. But to do that you'd need to stop being too chickenshit to enforce your own subpoenas, since we're not going to help you. We encourage you instead to go dick cheney yourself. With all due respect, sir."

"Understood, Acting Deputy Attorney General, but let me follow up if you don't mind with this question. If Mr. Yoo's contention is that it is legal for a president to do such things, would he maintain that it might conceivably be legal for another nation's president to do the same, including to our cities and villages and (if we had any) testicles? And, given that Professor Yoo has argued explicitly that neither international nor domestic law can be a constraint on such presidential prerogatives, isn't it almost a certainty that other nation's presidents must have the same prerogatives, unless there is something unique about our nation? What would that be, sir? And if there is not a satisfactory answer to that question, and if it is legal for presidents to destroy all human life, then it would seem to be legal to eliminate all law, since law will die with the human race. Can the elimination of law really be considered legal?"

"With all due respect, Senator, there's a Muslim behind your chair. Ha! Made you look. Oh god, that was a good one. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm. Senator? Are you . . . Somebody pick him up. Somebody. Oh, Jesus, call 911. Call 911!"
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:30 AM
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1. Mee?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:32 AM
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2. you're making a lot of asssumptions with little foundation.
you're so full of yourself, Swanson.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:38 AM
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4. You're projecting again. n/t
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:42 AM
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5. list them please
thanks
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:01 AM
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11. gladly.
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 10:02 AM by cali


Paragraph 1: You're assuming, against the evidence that Leahy is willing to ignore the crimes of Yoo and Bybee. If he's holding these hearings, it's clear evidence that he's NOT ignoring their crimes.

Paragraph 2: The insane notion that any senator is going to try to use the cap police to enforce a subpoena, is just that- insane. How many times has that been done? Why hasn't it been done? That Leahy didn't try this stunt is NOT fucking evidence that he wants these guys to get off as you insinuate.

You can't possibly know if Leahy is afraid. That, dear, is what is known as an assumption.

That's just for starters. Really, your entire piece is the typical pile of shit you endlessly produce and post here that gets fawned over endlessly.




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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:28 AM
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13. wholeheartedly agree
he's not ignoring them, he's whitewashing them and refusing to subpoena the criminals

it's been done dozens, probably hundreds, of times, but not once in the past 75 years since contempt was made a statutory offense

there's probably a different explanation than fear

i'm sure you'll be glad to list some of them
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:00 AM
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10. It's called satire
Many of us around here use it to avoid falling into the pit of despair, wherein we will scream till we can no longer and then eat our eyeballs. You can understand why we might prefer to use such satire to avoid the other result, can't you?
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:05 PM
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25. +100 n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:33 AM
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3. +1 for the new SigLine. nm
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:50 AM
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6. While the rule of law may inconsequential at the nation's capital,
Restitution fees for those convicted of minor infractions can total 25 to 40% of an individuals income for extended periods of time. Without the level application and enforcement of justice, (next to none at the top, overdone at the bottom)how long can we keep the chaos at bay?


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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:56 AM
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7. how long?
not long

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:59 AM
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8. i want to note a first
This is the first time I got better, more positive, less party-subservient comments on a post on Kos and worse ones on DU.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:17 AM
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18. This is not the DU of 2002 --
the Greens, the genuine leftists, the activists, and the people who believe a wrong is wrong regardless of party affilition have mostly left (been booted from) this place. :(

Keep on with your work -- the Truth needs telling regardless of the unwillingness for some to hear it. :hi:
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:41 PM
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24. You are correct. n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:00 AM
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9. The real reason he's afraid is that Bushco tried to kill him.
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:33 PM
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36. Really?
Is there evidence of that? If so I am quite interested.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 12:04 AM
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37. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm....

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax

By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– President Bush said confidently Tuesday that "I don't have anthrax" after biohazard testing at the White House and the discovery of anthrax on a mail-opening machine at a screening facility six miles away.

<snip>

On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved.

<snip>

Two postal workers at Brentwood died of pulmonary anthrax – one on Sunday, the other on Monday.

Brentwood is where the anthrax-laced letter to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle was first handled.

Whadda coinkydink!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:05 AM
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12. Good job!
The Rude Pundit would be proud.
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Prof Lester Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:30 PM
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28. Aha, a rudey fan!
Right on, fellow democrat. At street level we love the rude dude. He speaks our language.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:27 PM
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34. We actually call him the God of Rude
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:03 AM
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14. "change"
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 11:04 AM by Faryn Balyncd



:hi:


:kick:


(K&R)
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:09 AM
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15. DLC will never allow neocons to be held accountable
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:20 AM
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19. Accountability can be spun as partisanship!
The fig leaf of the "fear of being seen as partisan" seems to be behind every justice department move.

They use that fear as their justification for their inaction.

Department of don't rock the boat or be seen as partisan about war crimes, torture, about the patriot act or wiretapping or the Siegelman case.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:30 PM
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29. Yes, absolutely.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:11 AM
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16. As much as I wish I could say "you're wrong, David", I think you are exactly correct.
It is not just Senator Leahy's reluctance to use the subpoena power that is the problem. It's the lack of support from the people that Senator Leahy would need to watch his back, namely the Democratic party members, Senators, Congresspersons, Attorney General, and President.

The harsh reality is that Senator Leahy would be leading his own army-of-one Charge of the Light Brigade if he decided to go forward with exposing and punishing Yoo and Bybee and all of the others who were instrumental in this imperial power grab. The imperialists are so entrenched and so well-funded and so powerful that there would be hell to pay for anyone who actually tried to root them out. That harsh reality is indicative of how low our "democratic" form of government has fallen, but many of us do not want to acknowledge that fact. It's too painful and we don't want to think about the outcome even though it's barreling down on us.

Which reminds me of a phenomenon I have observed quite often lately. In our community there are large numbers of pedestrians and bicyclists. Most of them are aware and safe and try to follow the "rules of the road". But there are always the few, the daring, who feel that, in the name of getting somewhere faster, they must dart into the crosswalk AGAINST the light, or cut in front of an oncoming truck even if they are relying solely upon the driver of the oncoming vehicle to hit the brakes in order to avoid running over them. The observed phenomenon is the absolutely predictable act of LOOKING AWAY from the oncoming vehicle that they are walking or pedaling in front of. Inevitably the pedestrian or bicyclist will turn his/her head and look AWAY from where the oncoming car or truck is, as if that act alone will save them from being run over. Or maybe it's just because they don't want to see the vehicle as it slams into them. At any rate, this appears to be the same phenomenon that many on DU are engaging in regarding the oncoming 18-wheeler of imperial lawlessness that is about to slam into our nation.

"With all due respect, Senator, there's a Muslim behind your chair. Ha! Made you look."

Classic.

Rec.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:16 AM
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17. the Dems on the Cmtee
would follow leahy

but leahy is following obama
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:21 AM
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20. Understand your frustration. That Anthrax seemed to do the job
on Leahy. He expresses outrage...but stops short. Fear? As another poster said, he and Conyers don't have anyone watching their back. We've had so many empty promises from Conyers, Leahy and Waxman, I'd hate to think they were just "leading us along" knowing they'd never do anything. So, it must be that there's no one watching their back to support them.

What to do about that. Don't know. But, thanks for keeping up the good fight. And, ignore the comments by some here. It's the usual thing from them...
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Prof Lester Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:28 PM
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27. No shit, brother.
Did the job wonderfully well. The Feeb just "closed the case". PATRIOT Act just got renewed. The long record of murdered Democrats and attempted murders is seemingly very effective indeed. But, holy hell, let's not mention it! In case some 'winger starts yapping about tin foil and such bullshit as that. We don't to offend anybody, do we.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:29 AM
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21. K&R
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:47 AM
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22. american imperialist foreign policy is bipartisan.
that anyone would expect congress to act against the interests of that imperialistic foreign policy is the great american delusion at work once again. nothing in american politics will change until that delusion is widely dispelled. the democrats and republicans work hand in hand for the rich. same purpose, different styles and responsibilities.

regarding leahy and his fear of death, as referred to by two posters, i say this: i understand his fear, but i resent him thinking of himself as a patriot. patriots do not shirk and kowtow in response to attack and threat. if he is too afraid to act in the best interests of the nation, he should resign.

thank you, david.

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:53 AM
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23. Close but no cigar
You shouldn't smoke anyway.

Answer: Congressional careers are ruined for less - after all, everyone has a skeleton or two in the closet. And if that doesn't work . . .
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:14 PM
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26. Democrats in Congress and Obama have proven over time
they have no interest in dealing with the crimes of the Bush administration or upholding the rule of law. Recommended and thanks for giving me more information to use.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:40 PM
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30. This is how humanity dies.
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 02:46 PM by Independent_Liberal
Thank you for highlighting the seriousness of this matter. I need to come up with the ultimate nightmare scenario that would motivate folks into action on accountability, prosecution, and restoring the rule of law and power to the Congress. Thanks again for giving me some ideas.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:55 PM
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31. K&R
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Mike K Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:29 PM
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32. I don't understand what all the controversy is about:
The situation couldn't be more clear: Congress has the power to enforce subpoenas but those committee chairs who simply decline to do so are not doing what they are paid to do. They are ignoring the interests of those whom they represent. And the bottom line is, who is to blame?

The answer is the ignorant, apathetic nitwits who fall for their deceptive, diversionary bullshit and re-elect them time and time again.

As my profane Dutch granny often observed; "Most politicians shit in and eat out of the same pot!"
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:42 PM
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33. The oligarchs pay good money
to ensure that the people who run for Congress are eunichs they can control. That is why los descojonados are in charge.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:00 PM
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35. K&R
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