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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:48 PM
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Obama's healthcare plan maintains lots of the same horrific crap as the Senate plan
According to PNHP

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/february/how-much-does-president-obama-expect-us-to-pay-for-health-care

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His proposal still falls far short on two of the most important goals of reform: 1) insuring everyone, and 2) ensuring that health care is affordable for each of us. Merely tweaking the Senate version, which is what they did, could not have attained these goals since the most effective policies were already traded away before serious negotiations began.

That said, let's look at what the President expects a family of four with an income of $66,000 to pay for health care. The premium contribution would be 9.5% of income, or $6270 for the basic plan with an actuarial value of 70%. If they wanted or needed a better plan, they would have to pay the full difference in the premium. At an actuarial value of 70%, they would also have to pay an average of 30% of all health care costs. This can vary considerably because of plan design in the form of deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, non-covered benefits, stop loss, out-of-network care exempt from stop loss, and other factors. If they either elected not to or were unable to pay the premium, they would have to pay a penalty of $1650, but then, of course, they would have no protection at all against potential health care costs.

Clearly, President Obama has not done any better than Congress in protecting families from financial hardship should they have the misfortune of developing significant medical problems. Unaffordable underinsurance is not the change that we needed.


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From PNHP's letter to supporters:

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The bad news is that President Obama's health proposal, as expected, retains all the structural flaws of the Senate health bill: A mandate that individuals (but not employers) purchase private coverage; over $400 billion in subsidies to the private health insurance industry; and funding through a steep excise tax on comprehensive health plans. At best, the plan will leave over 25 million Americans uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.


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From WaPo

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Among the changes Obama seeks is a delay of the tax on high-end insurance plans until 2018, an end to the special Medicaid deal that negotiators had cut for Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson (D) and new federal authority over health-care insurance rate increases. The plan does not call for a public option health plan despite pressure from progressives in Obama's Democratic party to do so.




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As the PNHP letter noted, Obama keeps the mandates. From ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9912609

Like the bills approved last year by the House and Senate, the proposal would require most everyone to be insured or pay a fine. There is an exemption for low-income people. The Senate bill exempted people with incomes under the federal poverty level ($21,200 for a family of four) whereas Obama's plan, like the House version, would exempt people under the tax-filing threshold ($45,295 for a family of four). But the fines levied under the insurance mandate would be higher than the Senate proposed. Obama also keeps a "hardship exemption" that excuses anyone from buying insurance if it would cost more than 8 percent of their income.


Some other relatively minor differences from the Senate plan (still from ABC):

—TAXES: Obama scaled back a tax on high-cost insurance plans that was opposed by House Democrats and labor unions. The tax would be delayed from 2013 until 2018 and the thresholds at which it is imposed would be moved up from policies worth $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families, to $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. Those changes mean $120 billion in lost revenue over 10 years that Obama would replace mostly by applying an increased Medicare payroll tax to investment income as well as wages for individuals making more than $200,000, or married couples above $250,000. The Senate bill had applied the tax only to wage income.

—PRESCRIPTION DRUGS: Obama would close the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit that kicks in once seniors have spent $2,830. The Senate bill would have provided a 50 percent discount on the cost of brand-name drugs in the doughnut hole but Obama would close the gap entirely by 2020. The added cost, which the White House did not disclose, would be paid for in part by an additional $10 billion in fees on the drug industry.

—EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY: Obama keeps the approach in the Senate bill, which doesn't require businesses to offer coverage, but charges fees to companies with more than 50 employees if the government subsidizes employees' coverage. Obama increases the fees to $2,000 per worker instead of $750, but grants companies an allowance that was not part of the original Senate plan.

—SUBSIDIES: Obama provides more generous subsidies overall for purchasing insurance than the Senate bill did. The aid is available for households making up to four times the federal poverty level ($88,000 for a family of four).

—GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: Obama did not include the government-run insurance plan sought by some Democrats. He kept the Senate approach, which gives Americans purchasing coverage through new insurance exchanges the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the federal office that manages the government health plan available to members of Congress. Those plans would be private, but one would have to be nonprofit.



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Okay, so
*no public option
*like the Senate plan, the Obama plan covers only 31 million people. As PNHP says in their letter:

A mandate that individuals (but not employers) purchase private coverage; over $400 billion in subsidies to the private health insurance industry; and funding through a steep excise tax on comprehensive health plans. At best, the plan will leave over 25 million Americans uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.



*as for prescription drugs -- if you're under 65 and not on Medicare and don't have a A1 insurance plan, you're pretty much fucked when it comes to the cost of prescription drugs
*he keeps the screwed up tax on high-cost insurance, even if he does alter it a little
*he didn't change anything about the Senate abortion language
*he retains the mandate he adamantly and repeatedly claimed he opposed as candidate Obama

True to form, PNHP requested to be part of the 2/25 health summit -- their requests have "gone unanswered."

I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything different -- Obama certainly doesn't like to roil the waters!

I am beyond disgusted and dismayed. My trust in "the system" had been so destroyed over the years and it began to feel glimmers of some revival with Obama's election coupled with the Democratic majority. My trust is slowly being crushed with the actions of Obama & the Democratic majority.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:49 PM
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1. What you expected it to get better?
:rofl:
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:52 PM
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2. Read the 'new' plan. Reads like the IRS developed it. 'Cluster' Plan.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:58 PM
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4. Unfortunately, this sort of deal's only going to get worse
What happens is that people build up their hopes and expectations again and again- only to get dashed.

Not so good for volunteering and GOTV efforts come the fall.

The "at least wer'e not Republicans" argument only goes so far.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:54 PM
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3. it is garbage
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:00 PM
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5. +++++++
Yeah!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:08 PM
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6. Crack addict
Are people here fucking too stupid to think using their head? ...or is it all about flaming bullshit?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:34 PM
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8. classic projection on your part

:thumbsdown:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:40 PM
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10. I'm sorry
People thought the plan was shit before, and now think the plan is shit because it is almost the same plan.

Hey I got this car I'd like to sell you. You don't like it, come back in a week. No I swear I didn't just paint the car a different color.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:16 PM
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7. Horrific Crap?
You mean like helping people get insurance by subsidizing premium payments?
Or making freeloaders, who thought they could wait until hospitals and doctors had to take
care of them for free, buy insurance rather than refuse to pay for insurance like 75% of the rest of America does?
Build and fund 1250 community health centers?
Standardize and make transparent what the insurance companies are selling?
Tax as income the benefits some get that others only dream about, while having to pay tax on all their income?

I'll take it if I can get it.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:40 PM
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11. and you are part of the problem nt.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:46 PM
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12. Which problem is that?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:12 PM
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18. Ah, no. That would be you.
You want to scrap it and start over - just like Republicans. At least they know that means that nothing will be done, millions will still be uninsured, and premiums will skyrocket while insurance companies get richer.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:09 PM
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17. Don't try to make sense to the grinches
They are happy telling you you're a dope for having an ounce of common sense.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:35 PM
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9. If you're one of the 31 million getting coverage
It's a godsend.

I'm glad they didn't wait until we had education from pre-school to grad school before they opened the first school.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:46 PM
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13. public option wasn't compromisable.
it was the compromise to take single payer off the table.

without it, any HCR isn't really reform. the Senate bill was unacceptable.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:53 PM
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14. KR, excellent post and thanks for linking to PHNP. BTW - do you have a link to the letter?

I can't find "PNHP's letter to supporters" to which you were referring - or is it email?

BTW, I'm a huge supporter of PNHP, and I just realized, much to my own surprise and thanks to your post, that I wasn't on their mailing list for some reason. It's fixed now, and thanks again for your post.

:thumbsup:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:59 PM
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15. Amen.
A steaming pile of dooky. :(
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:00 PM
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16. Oh, and see this link below, EXCELLENT post:
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 10:10 PM by inna
http://www.correntewire.com/how_we_know_president's_proposal_health_care_really_obamas_baby

On edit: link seems to be impossible to fix for some reason, but the post is easily googable and definitely worth reading:

How we know "The President’s Proposal" on health care really is Obama's baby

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