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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:42 AM
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JP Morgan's thumbs...
I started re-reading Howard Zinn's A People's History of the US and came across this passage i wanted to share:



"JP Morgan had started before the war, as the son of a banker who began selling stocks for the railroads for good commissions. During the Civil War he bought 5,000 rifles for $3.50 each from an army arsenal, and sold them to a general in the field for $22 each. The rifles were defective and would shoot off the thumbs of the soldiers using them. A congressional committee noted this in the small print of an obscure report, but a federal judge upheld the deal as the fulfillment of a valid legal contract.

Morgan had escaped military service in the Civil War by paying $300 to a substitute. So did Jon D Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Philip Armour, Jay Gould and James Mellon. Mellon's father had written to him that "a man may be a patriot without risking his own life or sacrificing his health. There are plenty of lives less valuable."

It was the firm of Drexel, Morgan and Company that was given a US Government contract to float a bond issue of $260 million. The government could have sold the bonds directly; it chose to pay the bankers $5 million in commission.


On January 2, 1889, as Gustavus Meyer reports:

... a circular marked "Private and Confidential" was issued by the three banking houses of Drexel, Morgan and Company, Brown Brothers & Company, and Kidder, Peabody & Company. The most painstaking care was exercised that this document should not find its way into the press or otherwise become public... Why this fear? Because the circular was an invitation... to the great railroad magnates to assemble at Morgan's house, No 219 Madison Avenue, there to form, in the phrase of the day, an iron-clad combination... a compact which would efface competition among certain railroads, and unite those interests in an agreement by which the people of the United States would be bled even more effectively than before.


There was human cost to this financial story of ingenuity. That year, 1889, records of the Interstate Commerce Commission showed that 22,000 railroad workers were killed or injured.





Does any of that sound familiar to you guys? Do things ever really change?

This is my second time through People's History (first time was roughly 15 years ago) and i purchased a copy after i got a few pages into the Library one i had borrowed. It's an important work and i would urge anyone who hasn't read it to pick up a copy. It's fascinating, angering, inspiring, enlightening,... just a good read.




BTW, i hope y'all appreciate that i typed that up... took me damn near an hour as i'm an awful typist....

;)

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:54 AM
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1. Haven't read 'People's History' for about a decade
About time to re-read.
Funny story about that book. I loaned it to a friend's son. He was planning on majoring in History having come under the influence of an instructor who was also a right wing legislator here.
I told the boy that I'd bet he was only getting one side and I lent him 'PH' to read over the summer.
When he gave it back he looked like he'd been shocked. He said it was nothing like he'd heard.
BTW - I am a terrible typer also, so I sympathize.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:55 AM
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2. Thanks - K&R
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:59 AM
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4. your welcome! nt.
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Capt. Jack Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:57 AM
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3. The same JP Morgan today...
Anybody think JP Morgan will receive a deficiency judgment or a 1099-C?

More like a nice big bonus!

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1749-The-Last-Word-On-Strategic-Defaults.html
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:09 AM
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6. Welcome to DU!
thanks for the link!

:)


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:04 AM
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5. Excellent. This is the heirarchy that still survives today, except that the little people
think that legislators have all the power. They are the faces of those above them. They are Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Bushes, all the Republicans and many/most? of the Democrats.

Most of us still believe the propaganda which has been allowed to keep us believing that every vote counts to use the example of the whole package.

They tell the lower ranks to keep saying it while we know it is not true. We use machines designed to be manipulable in favor or Republicans and made by Republicans. We are taught to believe we have freedom of press, but all the seven network/cable shows are Republican as well as newspapers who have facilitated wars that the corporations asked for.

The best label so far is 'barons'.

It takes batallions of worker-operatives to carry it out. It takes millions of believers.

Thanks for the excerpt. Good proof reading also.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:12 AM
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7. Agreed, barons is appropriate.
In fact the quote comes from page 257 (in my edition), from the chapter titled "Robber Barons and Rebels"...

As for the proof reading, i just love the Preview button.
:)

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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:58 AM
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8. If JP Morgan were alive in contemporary times
he would surely be sitting on the board of Halliburton, swapping jokes with Five Deferment Dick about getting their lessers to serve and die in their places. Sewage-tainted water and shoddy electrical work that electrocuted the occasional soldier would never trouble his sociopathic mind.
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