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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:15 PM
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Republican men get a taste of their own medicine
If your Legislature experiences sanity for more than four hours, consult your doctor

Unfortunately, Kansans have never had to consult their doctors about prolonged exposure to a sane Republican Legislature.

But there was a glimpse of sanity yesterday, when Republican men - who seem to like to tell women what to do with their bodies - got a taste of their own medicine.

During a debate on a bill dealing with insurance regulations, Rep. Pete DeGraaf (R-Mulvane) got an amendment added that would require women to buy separate insurance policies that covered abortions. It passed 73-45.

Assuming what's good for the goose is good for the gander, Rep. Ann Mah (D-Topeka) proposed an amendment that would require men to buy separate insurance policies that covered erectile dysfunction drugs. She pointed out that many insurance plans don't cover birth control, and asked why it was then fair to have women pay the cost of Viagra for all the old guys who want to have sex?

more . . . http://www.domeontherange.org/2010/02/if-your-legislatu...
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:36 PM
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1. Now that's a bill I could get behind!!!
So glad she did that!

:kick: & R!

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:43 PM
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3. I love it!
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:12 PM
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58. "I ONLY USE THAT VIAGRA SHIT SO I DONT ROLL OUT OF BED"....John McCain
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:42 PM
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2. so that "rape is the same as auto theft" bill passed, or is this a different piece of insanity?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:44 PM
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4. Don't know what you are referring to.
But I gather this is a different piece of insanity.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:53 PM
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9. just this week, forget where, exactly, a similar bill being discussed, and some idiot wanted to
include a provision that in order for an abortion in case of rape to be covered, it had to be reported to the police. the idiot legislator said something along the lines of "it's no different from having to report an auto theft"

someone here can provide the links--I don't think I bookmarked those threads.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:12 PM
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12. Yes. It happened in Kansas. I looked it up.
We have some major doofus reps here.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:45 AM
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19. Steve Brunk, a Bel Aire Republican
The bill would require a police report to be filed if the woman wants an abortion to be covered by her insurance under the incest or rape exemptions.

But groups that work with domestic violence victims worried that some victims may not want to report a rape or incest.

Rape is a deeply traumatic event, said Sandy Barnett, director of the Kansas Coalition Against Sexual and Domestic Violence. Often (victims) are afraid of law enforcement and the criminal justice system itself.

Lawmakers said that they sympathized, but that women should have to report they were raped if they want the abortion covered by insurance.

Youd have to have a report that someone stole your car, said Rep. Steve Brunk, a Bel Aire Republican. This is kind of the same thing.


http://www.kansascity.com/2010/02/11/1742900/kansas-bil...


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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:29 AM
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22. Let him know just how much you agree that Rape = Car being stolen:

Capitol Office
Room: 166-W
Phone: 785-296-7645
Email: steve.brunk@house.ks.gov


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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:19 PM
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47. I just did...
I don't care whether it's an answering machine or not. I say we bomb the answering machine with phone calls.

What a dope.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:14 AM
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26.  Republican = insensitive idiots.
That is all.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:46 PM
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5. Awesome job Rep. Mah!
Go to her website www.annmah.org to read more good stuff about her. K&R!

And this "women should buy separate abortion insurance policies" thing is not surprising. Bart Stupak successfully got that kind of amendment passed by the US House.

Bottom line? Never propose legislation telling people what to do with themselves if it does not cause someone else to bleed, break a bone, lose breath, or get severely stressed out.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:46 PM
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6. The men will Mount a Stiff opposition to her amendment!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:13 PM
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13. LOL!
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:44 AM
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16. LOL nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:23 AM
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18. Might help with the ED you think..
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:47 PM
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7. I hope this thing takes off.
K/R
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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:47 PM
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8. I've always thought it interesting that as much as so-called conservatives hate science,
they don't hate medical science when it allows them to have babies or have sex when they get old.
No chance an infertile couple will be advised that it is gods will that they not have children. Pull out all the stops and do whatever you have to at whatever expense to get pregnant.
Getting too old the get good wood? Not a problem, medical science will fix you up.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:56 PM
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10. Brilliant! Why didn't anyone think of this earlier?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:07 PM
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11. Ha! Her ammendment passed
It's not the 1950's any more - not even in Kansas - lol.
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:05 AM
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14. so they'll have to vote against the whole thing
The good ole boys will never let that stand.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:11 AM
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15. ...of course not
And I'll bet they won't learn a lesson from this episode either - lol.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:26 PM
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31. Excellent! nt
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:33 PM
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42. really???? FANTASTIC!!
A great idea is only as good as the legs it gets!


YES!!! to the reality based world! :bounce:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:13 AM
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17. I love Ann.
She is awesome.

I bought a scarf and matching gloves that she knitted and donated to the Topeka Aids Project auction. She is wonderful.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:48 AM
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20. Can we throw in mandatory prostate exams?
:rofl:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:29 AM
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21. Only if they are televised. The public has a right to know.......nt
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:34 PM
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43. and now, in Breaking News.....
:evilgrin:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:31 PM
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50. LOL
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:54 AM
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23. Republican and Sanity are polar opposite words.
That's like saying Good Fascist, or anything containing the name "Yoo" with the word Legal.

Great catch though, Another great American hypocrisy laid at the feet of Re-Pukes

A Separate insurance policy for abortions = Separate insurance policy for Viagra

Love it. Wonder how many Freeper Heads exploded when they read that one. :bounce: :toast:

K&R
Mind if I re-post this on our local Freep Site ?
There are a few heads there that haven't exploded in some time, This should do it :)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:05 PM
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33. Yes of course you can repost
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:35 PM
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49. Thanks, I will :)
:hug:
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:59 PM
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56. Only if you report back on the amount of brain matter spewed
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:03 AM
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24. K&R.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:03 AM
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25. I didn't think any insurance policies cover ED drugs anyway.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:02 AM
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27. Yes some companies do.
That is another reason for them to control the vote. White old men love viagra.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:33 PM
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34. Oh yes, they do. It's Gawd's Will if a woman gets preggers, but Not Gawd's Will to be impotent!
It makes me want to cuss out loud, so it does.

:wtf: :argh: :dunce: :hurts: :wow: :grr: :nuke: :thumbsdown: :banghead: :rant: :sarcasm:

Hekate

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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:18 PM
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46. Some will
if you have a documented circulatory problem (diabetes, heart disease, etc) and are medically cleared for sex.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:07 AM
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28. The stupid thing is, if men didn't try to control women like this we would not have to penalize men
too.
Both issues should be covered by insurance.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:03 PM
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29. I agree with the idea behind this (i.e. separate insurance shouldn't be required to cover abortion)
But I'm always troubled by the attitude about things like this on this site, which basically boils down to "ED drugs only benefit old white guys, and then their put-upon wives suffer when suddenly they have to go through the burden of having sex again." It just reinforces the whole women-as-sexual-gatekeeper stereotype, as well as the idea that men are horndogs and that women would so much rather be doing anything other than having sex.

Did it never occur to anyone that maybe these drugs sometimes benefit couples who have healthy, balanced relationships, and who might actually desire intimacy in their lives in a mutually fulfilling way? Why does any mention of ED drugs immediate conjure images of some rich wrinkly old white guy pestering his trophy wife for sex she doesn't want to have?

It's just another stupid patriarchal assumption that hurts both sexes.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:51 PM
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39. I fully agree. The premise here is that only men benefit from ED drugs
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 02:52 PM by Nye Bevan
and almost everyone posting in this thread agrees with this premise. I get the impression that most of the female DUers posting here do not enjoy sex, and would be happy if their partner suffered from ED and could not obtain drugs for it. If I were ever to get ED, my wife would be just as eager as I would be (if not more so) for me to obtain the appropriate treatment.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:08 PM
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30. Hahahaha, glorious stick to them rub their nose in it till they know what the f they are doing.
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 12:09 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:33 PM
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32. It's a valid parallel
... that ought to be made part of the discussion more often. Call it Sexual / Reproductive Health Issues. If women can "plan" for an unplanned pregnancy, men can certainly plan for sex / vasectomies, etc.

Hate to paint with a broad brush, but Kansas disappoints again and again.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:42 PM
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35. don't worry guys...it's only a taste with no bite
men outnumber women in congress and so they can ALWAYS vote down a woman's bill. Note it was only proposed, not passed.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:43 PM
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36. Love it! n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:45 PM
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37. Sweet! Thank you, Rep. Mah!
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 02:45 PM by blondeatlast
:rofl:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:50 PM
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38. Great Stuff....Go Representative Mah!! n/t
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:16 PM
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40. Love it!
Rep. Ann Mah (D-Topeka) is my new hero! :loveya: Rep. Ann Mah.

:bounce: :woohoo: :bounce: :fistbump:

Sonia
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:18 PM
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41. Boom goes the dynamite - Way to go Rep.Mah!
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:52 PM
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44. Good idea....
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 03:52 PM by winyanstaz
and why not an additional "recreational tax" or a "sin tax" on all users of viagra too? :)
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:00 PM
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45. And Bob Dole checks into hospital...seriously!
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:22 PM
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48. Great Law!
The policy should be as proportionally expensive as the drugs are they have to buy them without insurance. Big bucks for those drugs should result in big bucks for their coverage. And of course. No preexisting conditions. :evilgrin: First time limpers only.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:42 PM
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51. Exercise lightly (meaning: walk!), eat and live healthy: you won't need Viagra!
A little bit of exercise and physical activity, a healthy diet, little or no alcohol, no tobacco: you will not need this thing until you die.

I would bet most of the Viagra users are Repugs.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:08 PM
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52. Brava, Rep. Mah!
:applause:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:50 PM
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53. I LOVE this gal!
And I do use those little blue pills! :woohoo:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:18 PM
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61. Then don't call her a gal.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:15 PM
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62. I love this female specimen!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:47 PM
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64. Couldn't manage "woman" or "Congressperson" or "Rep," huh? Had to put her in her place.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:23 PM
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65. Here's the thing
I was initially expressing my elation with this fine WOMAN'S actions. There was no malice or minorizing or diminishment implied or intended in my choice of descriptor. I'm 65 this month - volunteered to go push back the red tide years ago - believe in the progressive way of thinking and am patriotic, even while my country pursues ends that embarrass me as a citizen. I feel "brash" enough to use "Gal" and not feel I have to apologize. Further, I'd bet a buck to a cops donut that this woman congressional representative would NOT chastize me if I said to her face that I thought she was one stand-up gal.

There's your apology. We can gift wrap that if you like! :patriot:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:07 PM
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 04:11 PM
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67. wow, you sure are offended!
The movement for equal rights has now been reduced to PC idiocy. Congratulations: you have become a parody of yourself.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:06 PM
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:53 PM
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54. Good for Rep. Mah!!!
That'll teach them.......

:rofl:
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:56 PM
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55. Damn Straight. No pun intended. (n/t)
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:11 PM
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57. Lol.
That's really great ! :)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:28 PM
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59. what's good for the goose is good for the gander - PERFECT!!!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:17 PM
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60. Not invasive enough for the clueless to get the concept. Needs to be internal
Closest would be coverage of prostate health and treatment. Pay separate for their in vitro procedures. Any procreative procedures, separate process, different coverage.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:23 PM
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63. In Australia men have to pay full price for viagra
and womens birth control is covered but you pay a co payment for it like most drugs.

My best friend lives near Sydney and we have talks all the time about her health care. Abortions are fully covered too and thats in the free health care.

They have been trying though for years to get it privatized and selling policies that at first offered tons of massage and stuff extra like that. She said now that people are on it they are pulling back on what they give. The reason most people change over and pay is to pick their own doctor.



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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:58 PM
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66. Did it pass?
Or was it just more political theater.
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Kyril Enko Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:05 AM
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70. HA!
Always a good idea!
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