Freep lurkers: Let me dumb it down so even you can fucking understand that Single Payer works.

[Union Yes]

Decades of success. All across the globe, across many different cultures, all other industrialized nations have successfully administered some form of Universal Single Payer Health Care for decades now.

Single Payer is a global-wide success to this day.

Health care consumes 17.5% of America's GDP.

By 2020 HC will consume over 20% of our GDP.

What part of 'unsustainable' don't those opposed to HC reform understand?

Freepers, learn the word 'unsustainable'. It describes American for-profit health care.

Single Payer consumes 14% of Canada's GDP.

Almost all of the remaining industrialized nations spend 8-13% administering Single Payer.

To the freepers who may read this..

Step away from your Beck/Limpblob drone trance for a moment and open your unseeing eyes. The cost of health care would DECREASE under a properly administered Single Payer system here.

I'm amazed that freepers can't do simple math and figure stuff like this out.

Conservativism is a perpetual state of denial.

Single Payer, decades of global-wide success among every industrialized nation 'cept Murika.

Less costly than for-profit "health care" in America.

Do the math, or find a 'librul' to do it for you.

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. BUT THEM CUNTRIES ARE ALL COMIE SOSHIALISTS !!!!!11!!111

NOT A WHITE CHRISTAIN REPUBLICK LIKE THE CONFEDIRATE STATS OF AMURKIA!11!!111! :crazy:

[Union Yes]

2. That's about what I'm expecting when a real freepstain replies.

:rofl:

:hi:

[obamaisbestone]

3. Do you think they even want to know?

Rush told them "BAD." That is all they care about.

[Bitwit1234]

4. Trouble is

republicans are so dumb, their Rush's and Beck's can take them in. What person would give up having an affordable health care program. One that does not discriminate and pays their bills, just to be so they can have the puffed up feeling that they "showed those liberals". I mean if my party told me to deny my wife and children a health plan that would save their life, give them comfort and pay the bills, I quit it in a minute. But you see as usual...REPUBLICANS ARE THE DUMBEST, STUPIDEST AND IGNORANT PEOPLES TO ROAM THE EARTH.

[Joe the Liberal]

5. You'd might as well be talking to a brick wall........

Info like that goes right over their heads. You see, to freepers any country that is not the USA is not a "real" country so what ever systems they have set up in all other countries "don't count" because they are not the USA. Their world view is so narrow that they believe the USA is superior to all other countries combined. Therefore no matter the evidence and facts presented, no matter how overwhelming, don't register with them because according to freepers the USA is the only "real" country and what ever the USA does MUST be correct. Trying to change what ever system in the USA is just foreign meddling to freepers, they like things as they are, status quo.

[upi402]

6. Single payer cheap, fire hot

:silly:

[cutlassmama]

7. might be over their heads

[krispos42]

8. Or to put it another way for the free-marketers out there in FreepLand...

Health insurance is not health care. Health care is an inheirently innovative industry. Every year new procedures, medicines, treatments, equipment, and appliances are developed, improved, tested, prototyped, and mass-produced. I don't want government doing this. I want competative industries and universities doing this.

Health insurance isn't. Doctor sends bill to insurance company, insurance company pays bill.

In other words, it's what ancient Sumerians were doing 4,500 years ago with clay tablets and abacuses. THERE IS NO INNOVATION IN PAYING A BILL. Since there is little innovation risk, there should be little profit. Bic doesn't make double-digit profit margines on ball-point pens, do they?

There is innnovation in the health-insurance industry, though... new and creative ways to take in more money (higher premiums, fees, fines, etc.), pay out less money (higher co-pays, lifetime limits, retroactive policy cancellation, delaying tactics, byzantine paperwork), influence Congress ($$$$$$$), and manipulate public opinion (they wouldn't spend all that money on advertizing and propoganda if it didn't work, now would they???).

But the last innovation in bill-paying was electronic fund transfers. Wow, man. Stunning. And definitely worth 5% of GDP, right?



Every insurance company has a department that does risk pools. That means there is a ton of redundant work going on fine-tuning thousands of pools. The simplist pool is this: Every born or naturalized citizen from conception (or naturization) until death. Since EVERYBODY will need health care at at least one point in their lives, particularly in early and late years, EVERY pays into it and EVERYBODY takes out of it what is needed.

[upi402]

9. Well put and good ideas

I still think my "public option cheaper, fire hot" method would hit the target audience in the empty place between the ears! ;)