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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:53 AM
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Temple Grandin: Savant or Professional Killer?
This Saturday night HBO will be airing a made-for-television biopic about Temple Grandin, who is acclaimed for her work in autism and designing humane handling facilities for cattle.

Beloved by many, Grandin, who is autistic herself, was one of the first people to talk openly to the public about her condition lifting the stigma that is often associated with autism. In addition to being one of the first women to hit the scene in the cattle industry, where she wasnt welcomed with warmth, shes also widely known for her lectures and books, including Animals Make Us Human: Creating the Best Life for Animals.

Grandin, who now has a Ph.D, and is an Associate Professor of Animal Behavior at Colorado State University, credits autism for her success. She claims that the hypersensitivity and unique vision are what have made her so tuned in to what animals sense and how to use it in agricultural engineering to create humane slaughter facilities.

While shes certainly overcome some tremendous obstacles, shes also roused some critics along the way who dont quite see her as a heroine for animals. Indeed, something is amiss.

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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:23 AM
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1. Thank You
Well worth seeing especially if the HBO movie is like the documentary about her that I saw here in Canada.

Being an autistic adult, she spoke about her perceptions and how they are different from us 'normal' folk :)

What I don't know is if all autistic children or people would have the same more spatial perception as she describes.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:33 AM
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2. no. people with autism are very different in their expessions of the same
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 09:34 AM by RainDog
my son has aspergers and after I read Grandin's books I asked him if his experiences were the same. some were, some weren't.

my son, however, has very limited spatial abilities.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:01 AM
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3. Do you believe it is morally justifiable to kill animals for food?
If you do, believe that it is morally justifiable to kill animals for food, then Grandin's efforts to make food animals lives and deaths as humane as possible is a good thing.

If you believe that killing an animal for food is the moral equivalent of killing a human for food then she is, indeed, a mass killer.

I do believe that she does care for animals and her efforts to make food production more humane should be applauded.

My main concern is that while I believe that her techniques, if implemented correctly, would make the slaughter of animals more humane, when the ideal that an animal should go to its end without knowing what hit it, comes up against slaughterhouse production line deadlines, poorly trained workers and your basic corporate greed, these humane techniques are going down the kill chute with the cattle and end up in the waste pit.

Without vigilant regulation with real teeth in them, this is not going to happen. Unfortunately, the last place that anyone who actually cared about animals would want to work (myself included, I have to be honest) is a slaughterhouse.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:24 AM
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5. She spoke about this on her interview on Fresh Air
The new movement is to implement objective standards which can measure the animals' distress and have people there to monitor this.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:38 AM
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6. I don't think morality enters into it.
But I certainly do not believe that killing animals for food is immoral and it is certainly not equivalent to killing a person.

I do think our system of confined animal feed lots is wrong in a lot of ways but that does not mean I want to end the practice of eating animals altogether. Most sensible people, if they knew what happened there, would be in favor of reform at least. Certainly it is at least environmentally irresponsible, leading to massive pollution of air and water ways. The overuse of antibiotics to make animals grow faster or prevent the disease that naturally occurs when animals are crowded together is actually a human health hazard in that it breed resistant bacteria. And I am sure (as Michael Pollan says in the Omnivore's Dilemma) that animals grown the old-fashioned way actually taste better and are probably better for us. The problem then is one of making better food available to more people. The advent of places like Polyface Farms is all well and good for people who can afford it but it is priced out of reach for a lot of people. So I have no idea how to bridge that gap.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:22 AM
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4. Rip into the autistic lady who's trying to make sure animalls off to the slaugher don't suffer?
That is A-1 fucking classy.

Alicia, if you're reading this, you really need to rethink your choice of subjects based on your goals. If you really don't want people killing cows to eat, going after the one person who has done the most to ensure those animals don't suffer is about as effective as writing a hit piece about Jay Chapman (the originator of modern "lethal injection") because you do not believe in the death penalty.

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