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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:35 AM
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The big losers tonight... I hope... are....
All the people who spent the past several weeks and months on DU making it seemingly their sole purpose in life to depress and anger you by spreading F.U.D. (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) about Obama.


Their jobs got harder tonight. A lot of the doubt that they built up in many of our minds over the past few months got erased in a 70 minute speech. It will take them a couple months of intense work to get you back to where you were before tonight.


You know who they are... the ones who shit on any positive thread, give sarcastic replies to any post that reports good news, respond with "actions not words" while not acknowledging that in politics words ARE tangible actions - because words change opinions, and opinions build majorities, and majorities push ideas forward.


Don't let them get to you so quickly next time. If you have a renewed sense of optimism after tonight, hold onto that. Keep that candle lit. They hate you for it.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:37 AM
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1. Oh...they are still at it,
but this is a call out scheming daemons,
so IBTL!
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:39 AM
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2. I didn't name anyone

And it's not just referring to DU posters.

Media pundits.

Columnists.


EVERYBODY who spreads F.U.D. about Obama saw their job get harder tonight.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:47 AM
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9. Did you read the first sentence of the opening post? ( n/t )
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:39 AM
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3. Unfortunately we have to drag Obama kicking and screaming to the truth far too often.
He hopefully has had a come to Jebus moment where he realized he can't win by ignoring US his BASE.

I await his actual ACTIONS to see if they line up with his words in the near future. If they do then he wins ME back, if they don't I'll go shopping for a Democrat with the necessary guts to do the job.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:42 AM
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5. It's great to hear that you'll at least shop for a DEMOCRAT

Unlike some posters here who get all "third party" as soon as things get tough.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:43 AM
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7. That's because I'm a DEMOCRAT.
I get rid of DINOS by using REAL Democrats who believe in FDR New Deal style principles.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:43 AM
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6. No, NO..the venomous ones aren't getting
any fucking credit.

Puffed up egomaniacs. This is our President..not something you created.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:53 AM
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12. You are so wrong about that... if Obama ignores his base he loses
it's THAT simple. Without guys like me willing to put thousands of hours and dollars into Democratic campaigns and party building they fail. It's THAT simple. That's what happened in Mass too.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:59 AM
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14. Mass.

That's part of what happened in Mass. And arguably a much smaller part than having a terrible candidate, that candidate's bizarre decision to take the entire month of December off, and the gimmick moves pulled by the Massachusetts legislature to keep the seat in Democratic hands, which turned off independents. The argument that the Mass. election was some kind of referendum on much of anything has a little bit of merit, but mostly leaves me cold.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:45 AM
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8. Obama kind of had to deliver a homerun speech. The Dems freakin lost Ted Kennedy's seat.
And the news corporations made it into a referendum on the whole party. Yeah, something has to be said about Blue Dogs and DLCers undermining the social justice vision that was once the hallmark of FDR's and LBJ's party, but hopefully, the only Democrats who will lose their asses are the right wing hacks posing as Democrats and attack progressive legislation as "too far left." They simply need to be removed and replaced with more populist Democrats.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:03 AM
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16. Have you read the lists of everything Obama has done in his first term yet?
I think the man could walk on water and some people would still complain. First have you seen the graphs on Rachel Maddow's show from last night. Very impressive. It is in the first part and I suggest you watch it before telling people he has done "nothing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nTMsHtkh6U

Also there is a lot of information about Obama's accomplishments in his first year. Just Google it.

Obama's Brilliant First YearBy January, he will have accomplished more than any first-year president since Franklin Roosevelt.
By Jacob WeisbergPosted Saturday, Nov. 28, 2009, at 8:13 AM ET



This conventional wisdom about Obama's first year isn't just premature—it's sure to be flipped on its head by the anniversary of his inauguration on Jan. 20. If, as seems increasingly likely, Obama wins passage of a health care reform a bill by that date, he will deliver his first State of the Union address having accomplished more than any other postwar American president at a comparable point in his presidency. This isn't an ideological point or one that depends on agreement with his policies. It's a neutral assessment of his emerging record—how many big, transformational things Obama is likely to have made happen in his first 12 months in office.


The case for Obama's successful freshman year rests above all on the health care legislation now awaiting action in the Senate. Democrats have been trying to pass national health insurance for 60 years. Past presidents who tried to make it happen and failed include Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton. Through the summer, Obama caught flak for letting Congress lead the process, as opposed to setting out his own proposal. Now his political strategy is being vindicated. The bill he signs may be flawed in any number of ways—weak on cost control, too tied to the employer-based system, and inadequate in terms of consumer choice. But given the vastness of the enterprise and the political obstacles, passing an imperfect behemoth and improving it later is probably the only way to succeed where his predecessors failed.

We are so submerged in the details of this debate—whether the bill will include a "public option," limit coverage for abortion, or tax Botox—that it's easy to lose sight of the magnitude of the impending change. For the federal government to take responsibility for health coverage will be a transformation of the American social contract and the single biggest change in government's role since the New Deal. If Obama governs for four or eight years and accomplishes nothing else, he may be judged the most consequential domestic president since LBJ. He will also undermine the view that Ronald Reagan permanently reversed a 50-year tide of American liberalism.

Obama's claim to a fertile first year doesn't rest on health care alone. There's mounting evidence that the $787 billion economic stimulus he signed in February—combined with the bank bailout package—prevented an economic depression. Should the stimulus have been larger? Should it have been more weighted to short-term spending, as opposed to long-term tax cuts? Would a second round be a good idea? Pundits and policymakers will argue these questions for years to come. But few mainstream economists seriously dispute that Obama's decisive action prevented a much deeper downturn and restored economic growth in the third quarter. The New York Times recently quoted Mark Zandi, who was one of candidate John McCain's economic advisers, on this point: "The stimulus is doing what it was supposed to do—it is contributing to ending the recession," he said. "In my view, without the stimulus, G.D.P would still be negative and unemployment would be firmly over 11 percent."

When it comes to foreign policy, Obama's accomplishment has been less tangible but hardly less significant: He has put America on a new footing with the rest of the world. In a series of foreign trips and speeches, which critics deride as trips and speeches, he replaced George W. Bush's unilateral, moralistic militarism with an approach that is multilateral, pragmatic, and conciliatory. Obama has already significantly reoriented policy toward Iran, China, Russia, Iraq, Israel, and the Islamic world. Next week, after a much-disparaged period of review, he will announce a new strategy in Afghanistan. No, the results do not yet merit his Nobel Peace Prize. But not since Reagan has a new president so swiftly and determinedly remodeled America's global role.

Obama has wisely deferred some smaller, politically hazardous battles over issues such as closing Guantanamo, ending "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," and fighting the expansion of Israel's West Bank settlements. Instead, he has saved his fire for his most urgent priorities—preventing a depression, remaking America's global image, and winning universal health insurance. Chow time indeed, if you ask me.

http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:40 AM
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4. ITA

I posted an attempted optimism thread on Monday and a mob of yahoos appeared and tried to shout me down. Profane attacks leveled against you for being cheerful - - who'da thunk? I guess I should also mention that I predicted a self-destructive Republican move in the near future (although I didn't think it would be as soon as Tuesday!) and a great SOTU. Mission accomplished.

Thanks for your post, seriously. Ceaseless negativity gets so frigging old.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 08:01 AM
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23. I agree, It's like people jhave lost touch with the enormity of the crisis and just want what they
want, immediately.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:46 AM
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24. You're Right - -

- - and I get the disaffection, without question. What I don't understand is how many people here have lost hope so quickly. Nothing was going to erase the horrible, horrible Bush years on the turn of a dime.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:47 AM
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10. I noticed the "I hope" in your title
Edited on Thu Jan-28-10 01:49 AM by whatchamacallit
even you acolytes are starting to understand the difference between speeches and reality...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:48 AM
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11. If by wanting action as well as speeches
I by no means count myself as a loser. Speeches don't keep houses out of forclosure, nor do the get people jobs. Speeches don't stop 45,000 people from dying for lack of insurance.

Good Night and Good luck.
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fire_in_the_middle Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:57 AM
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13. you know, i had lost a lot of hope in the last year. and I was beginning to be pulled to the dark
side. Luckily, regardless of the fact that my parents are loosing their house in the bubble, the SOTU speech infused a lot of us with fresh hope. We cant let these corporatist DIRTY RAT BASTARDS who are pickled in with the good guys vinegar us out. I worked with the Sierra Club in the 04 election, and have worked with various Clean Energy and Politically active organizations. Its a tough job, keeping hope in the face of semi-evil.

but we cant forget the perpitrators of the origional crime: the Bush administration. I do believe that the process of bringing these asses down will be a message fostering confidence to we the people, Obama Admministration-- i know the NSA's reading this: Those responsible must be made to answer.

Building 7?

NORAD 9/11 wargames exercises including the same scenarios as the
"terrorist attack"? ON THE SAME DAY?!?!?!

the traces of thermate in the pools of molten metal weeks after?

come on, you dont think we're stoopid, do you?

anyway, much love to all.

saoirse nó bás

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:59 AM
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15. Glad to see you've got your priorities straight.
You don't want the Republicans to lose
You don't want the Neocons to lose
You don't want the insurance companies to lose
You don't want the banksters to lose
You don't want the traitorous BlueDogs to lose

Hell, you don't even want "the terrorists" to lose.


No, the people who you clearly hate the most are your fellow DUers who have committed the UNFORGIVABLE sin of not being as enthusiastic in their support of the President as you are.

Clearly, the message you took away from tonight's speech is you need to post another divisive thread about how much you dislike your fellow Democrats. :eyes:

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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:15 AM
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17. US !
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:25 AM
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18. Bravo !!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:40 AM
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19. The thing is, is thats its all not bad,He inherited a disaster. The guy at least deserves a chance.
You can't snapp your fingers and reverse 8 years of bush. He saw the MA. results. He must know the story-it's up to him to act.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:45 AM
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20. No, the biggest losers are people who start flamebait threads.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:52 AM
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21. +1
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:53 AM
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22. There's a big bush hangover too, and it was one of my biggest fears after the 2008 election.
Bush/Cheney/Rove drove divisions hard. They bullied the media, and had their own hacks helping them along (rush, coulter etc.) which sprung the popularity of blogs if an effort to fight back against the BS the msm was handing us.

The cynicism became more rampant during this time period. Obama gets elected and people are still furious over the bush years-so the scrutiny vehichles and attitudes were already solidly in place by the time Obama was sworn in.

Also, most of the blogs that became popular became in need to stay relevent, yes, they started enjoying ad revenues too, so many of them have become what they fought against. It all leaves us with having to be hyper discerning when we read the latest hit piece.

The result has been news chaos. Has Obama ticked Dems off, yes he has and scrutiny is deserved but what has happened is that an enviroment has been created where no president has a chance to succeed.

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