Help the poor even though I'm a troll?

[Duhgee]

New tax withholding on the working poor. Those making $116 a week started getting $11 less a week this month. No one is holding the government accountable. Yes,
I'm a troll, but I still care about the poor.

[WCGreen]

1. Just rolling back the accelerated refund from last year.

[DJ13]

5. Just rolling back

The same issues that we faced when this went into effect are still hurting those low wage workers.

This should have been a multi year program.

[Lorien]

7. The only rollbacks there should be is the Bush era tax breaks for the rich. The working

poor and middle class are the ones who need the breaks right now-the rich are doing better than ever before.

[Hannah Bell]

27. yes, when *are* those tax cuts going to sunset? i thought it was this year.

[rucky]

9. That's an explanation, but not a defense. n/t

[Duhgee]

31. A new tax, especially on the poor...

is the very antithesis of the Obama message. We need more voices!

[uppityperson]

38. It's is not a "new tax" though. "we" do need more voices.

[Duhgee]

41. Thanks uppity!

[Autumn]

2. Well no matter what you are, the poor need

help. We should care about them. Personally I think that I AM my brothers keeper. Nice troll. Forgot to add Welcome to DU.

[Journeyman]

10. I do not see myself as my brother's keeper, but I am his partner and so must come to his aid. . .

whichever way we look at it, it amounts to the same: we are in this together and none of us has an immutable lock on our present condition. . .

[fascisthunter]

3. caring about the poor is unlike trolls I have seen post here

welcome to DU...

[gateley]

4. WC Green is right -- it's not 'new' - we knew it was coming. We ALL care

about the poor. :hi:

[Duhgee]

35. This tax hike on the poor caught me by suprise...

and I just can't seem to stop fighting it.

[TheKentuckian]

6. If you care about the poor you are further along the way to non-troll status

than many that play paragons of goodness, imo.

[Duhgee]

8. ty for the welcome

I guess it can be called a roll back. It sounds like cold comfort to those working poor who are $11 short.

[Maru Kitteh]

48. Amen on the cold comfort. Also the poor tend to be young new families.

among others. It IS a new tax for them, and you're right - it shouldn't be done.....

[Name removed]

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[Winterblues]

12. The Stimulus worked..It freed up some money and sales reflect it.

There is an argument to make it permenent but without taxes we would not be a civilized society.. Roll back some of the Bush* tax cuts for the wealthy and I am certain you will hear them squeeling..

[Duhgee]

14. I don't understand

There was incredible support for Healthcare Reform, Cap and Trade, but there is almost no interest in a simple rollback on withholding on the working poor? If such a bill were introduced wouldn't it just sail through congress?

[Winterblues]

30. The tax cut was not just for the poor. It was a part of the American Recovery Act (Stimulus bill)

It was only there for the year 2009. It was designed to add a few more dollars to everyone's check while the economy was in freefall. Now that a recovery of sorts is in effect it has expired. If there appears a need to reintroduce it. I am sure they could easily do so..What would really spur growth is for the Huge Bush* tax cuts for the ultra wealthy to expire.

[Duhgee]

33. I understand the tax cut was temporary...

but given the current economy, why can't the entry level be permanent? Regards of how it happened, the very poor's taxes went up. All I'm asking is for taxes to start at $138 a week, like they did in 2009. Its simple, and would help those who need it most.

[uppityperson]

34. have you contacted your congress people?

[Duhgee]

36. i have contacted them, with no reply

:(

[emilyg]

13. Welcome to DU.

[Bonhomme Richard]

15. I can appreciate an honest troll. n/t

[WillyT]

16. Welcome To DU, Duhgee !!!

:bounce::toast::bounce:

Stick around a while. We support the poor.

:hi:

[Duhgee]

19. Call me a bleeding heart troll...

but I am distressed. I've written my congress critter. I don't know what to do.

[inna]

17. Are you really a troll? The only (slightly) trollish thing about your post was

the fact that you didn't provide a link. :shrug: But then again, tons of people do that around here, so I won't hold it against you. :)


In fact, you made an interesting point, and I haven't even thought of this issue until you brought it up.


I hope that you're not a troll, and hope you'll continue discussion and maybe even provide some links. :)

[Duhgee]

23. Here's the link

Not very exciting. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/n1036.pdf But last year it was at $138. I shudder to think if there were life and death decisions made this month, for lack of $11. To a person making $116 a week, $11 is pure gold. TY

[hfojvt]

51. that's kinda strange

according to my calculations a single person making less than $179.80 per week pays zero takes. Because the standard deduction is $5,700 and the personal exemption is $3,650. Not only that, but because of the Obama tax credit of $400, a sinlge person must make more than another $76.92 a week before they owe any taxes. Yet the IRS is gonna with-hold $6.38 per week?

And somebody making $255 a week will have $16.65 taken out of their weekly check even though they will owe no taxes at the end of the year. That's a total of $865.8 taken out over the year.

But you are wrong on a couple of counts. First, it is not a tax increase, because it does not change the amount of taxes OWED, it only changes the amount with-held. Second it is not $11 for somebody making $116 a week. It is 10% of the amount OVER $116 a week.

Still, it does seem to unfairly and unnecessarily pinch people who may already be having trouble making ends meet.

[inna]

18. KR because this post is hilarious!

I've never seen trolls like this one!

:rofl:

[Duhgee]

24. I would accept all ridicule with a smile...

if it meant this new witholding was undone.

[gateley]

25. I don't think anyone is ridiculing you -- we appreciate your contribution because

it's valid and something we all care about.

[Duhgee]

28. ty Gately - please, will some heavy hitter...

take this up. Nothing would please me more, than if DU would get the credit for ending this new tax.

[uppityperson]

39. What "new tax"?

[TexasObserver]

20. Hey, you're not a sock puppet!

I meant you're not a troll. Sorry.

[distantearlywarning]

21. Well, at least you're honest!

I'll give you props for that. :toast:

Oh, and IBTL!

[Kingofalldems]

22. Props for honesty--most disruptors are sneaky

And one who is extra special sneaky.

[aikoaiko]

26. sorry, I meant the now deleted boxxy gif to be a funny joke.

that was based on your OP title.

[Duhgee]

29. no problem....

I like a good chuckle

[LoZoccolo]

49. I hope it was boxxybabee with two e's and not boxxyakamoldybread.

She's a complete failure TROLL TROOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!

[uppityperson]

32. Once you figure out what to do, why don't you go back to your rw friends and tell them

were you concerned about holding the gvt accountable while bush was president about the increasing deficit or only now?

[Duhgee]

37. I'll glady accept all accusations of hyposcrisy,

and blame. But how do we help?

[G_j]

40. helping the poor is traditionally a liberal value

it's also what Jesus taught. go figure..


I agree this "rollback" is egregious to those who live from dollar to dollar.
It's not right.
welcome to DU
:toast:

[Duhgee]

42. TY GJ. And I like your "rollback" in quotes!

:)

[Skittles]

43. Dughee

you do trolling with STYLE - I respect that :thumbsup:

[Duhgee]

44. TY Skittles

Just doing my part, the best way I know how.

[LoZoccolo]

45. What did you plan on doing here as a troll?

There are some left-wing trolls here, right-wing trolls...I even own up to certain definitions of it myself (I am a very loyal Democrat but I admit that I use tricks and social engineering to make points, usually against people who attack the Democratic Party from the left). Are you an intentional troll or did someone just accuse you of that?

[Duhgee]

47. I don't plan on being disruptive...

I just thought this was an issue DUers and I have in common, even tho I am a right winger.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. I will on one condition - tell me if you got your name from "Guarding Tess?"

It was the first thing I thought of.

"ask agent Duhgee over there."

[inna]

50. The cutest "troll" post I've ever seen on this board. Mods, PLEASE do NOT delete him!!

:D

[hfojvt]

52. aha - it appears that I made a mistake in my last post too

It is not $116 a week that is the thresh-hold. It is $116 a week + the with-holding allowance which is $70.19. Meaning that a person making $186 a week has zero tax with-held from their paycheck. Which makes much more sense. If this number was reduced from $138 to $116 like you say, then the low income worker making $208.19 per week is only gonna have their with-holding increased by $2.20 per week (10% of (208.19-186)).

Still a pinch, but probably not gonna be life or death.