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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:05 PM
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If Coakley wins by more than 3%, Political polling is going to take a major hit
If the election isn't close and Coakley wins, I think polling methodology is going to take a serious hit to credibility. The polls for this election were all over the place and it was clear that the polls had bias (one way or the other). Polls are being used more and more by the media to craft a story rather than report anything factual. Media has been worthless for some time now. Polling is about to go there if the pollsters don't straighten their act up.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:06 PM
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1. Polling should have taken a big hit after Clinton's NH surprise
But it didn't.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:14 PM
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7. THIS!!! ^^^^^
DAMNED STRAIGHT!!!

If Coakley wins by more than 3 points, watch the Media to spend the next 48 hours covering their asses on this one.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:08 PM
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2. That's a big "if" at this point.
Still, you'd be right if it happens.

C'mon Massachusetts...vote against hate and vote against smears!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:10 PM
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3. BFEE meme: exit polls don't matter .... Mission accomplished.
:nuke:

Say goodbye to Democracy.












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Irish_shark Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:11 PM
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4. I agree. Pollsters should be held accountable
We should be prepared to demand explanations from pollsters if they fail to at least approximate real election results. The public deserves reliable data. I see too many Republican-affiliated pollsters these days. We need independent, reliable pollsters.
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:20 PM
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8. Rasmussen has her up - and he's a Republican
Ironically, one of the only polls that has her up is Rasmussen, who is a Republican affiliated pollster.
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Irish_shark Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:43 PM
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15. 1) Rasmussen poll is one of the oldest conducted 2) The rest of Republican pollsters have her down
Rasmussen conducted a poll and only one poll. Many polls have been conducted since.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:13 PM
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5. Sort of like Triple A ratings dished out for Enron etc.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:28 PM
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12. Yeap, cept this time pollsters changed their polling model and TOLD teh M$M
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:14 PM
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6. The problem isn't the polling, its the pollsters
You presume that established polling methodology is in use. Why would you think that?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:25 PM
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9. I'd love to see them all go out of business
That would be a thing of beauty.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:26 PM
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10. Is there *any* objective, honest political poll?
The entire political system is corrupt to the core.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:27 PM
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11. I never take stock in any of these polls
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 05:28 PM by bigwillq
even if they favor DEMS. Human beings do odd things when it comes to politics and voting. The only results that count are after the voting is closed. Doesn't matter what any of those polls say then.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:28 PM
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13. You think it would or should
But the major media have accomplished the art of collective selective amnesia. There are a lot of factors at work here, including the special election (which lowers turnout), levels of commitment by supporters of each candidate (how well do paid temps do versus volunteers), and the weather, just to name three. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the polling (it's up! we're doomed! it's down! the world is ending! it's holding steady! game over, man!), but I'd be interested to know what people who know more than me think: Were the polling samples large enough? Were the samples properly weighted, or was one group overpolled in relation to its actual numbers among the populace? That is, if there are 30% Republicans in Massachusetts, polls that include 36% Republican respondents are going to be skewed in favor of the candidate favored by Republicans.

There will be a quick round of excuses proffered, then nobody anywhere will remember a thing about how gloriously wrong they were.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:35 PM
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14. The problem with statements like "If _____ then _____ will change." is this...
It doesn't matter what happens...

NOTHING frickin' changes. Ever!

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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:04 AM
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16. Turns out the polls were correct
Ah well...
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