A win, even by one vote, and no matter how ugly, is still a win.

[Stinky The Clown]

A loss, no matter why, no matter what "outside forces" came into play, is still a loss.

[jpak]

1. ....and a loss is what we want?

:shrug:

[backscatter712]

3. I'll take a win. Even by one vote.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. What are you saying?

Be clear and put that passive-agressive bullshit you do well right up your ......

[jpak]

5. well at least it wasn't a curling iron

OK I'll be clear...

Do you or do you not want Democrats to retain their 60 votes in the Senate and pass the reconciled HCR bill?

Do you want President Obama and the Democratic Party to succeed or fail?

[Stinky The Clown]

7. That's what I figured ......

.... coming from you.

[jpak]

9. read it again

n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Thank you for being clear ....... for a change.

IF .... it is any of your business, which it actually isn't, I want our majority to be retained. If you think otherwise, it is the result of your obsession with finding anyone with whom you might disagree to be your enemy.

I am not your enemy.

I want the Democratic party to succeed in standing up for and passing its basic platform planks.

When it seems to me that the party, or factions of the party, are straying from those STATED DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRINCIPLES I will criticize freely and complain loudly about that with which I disagree. I was born with that right and then I earned that right.

But keep in mind. There are people who people like but with whom they disagree on almost everything. There are also people who can't stand some people with whom they almost always agree. And that might be why you, for example, find the need to keep that chip on your shoulder all the time. Try being tolerant of other views.

[Bucky]

6. "We" are not uniform in our wants. But, yes, subconciously some Dems are self defeating.

Shit, I'm probably one of them.

[DJ13]

2. Even a close win should be a wake up call

But it wont.

[Grand Taurean]

8. I agree.

A single vote win is a CLEAR WIN!

[tonysam]

11. Unless it's the USSC in Bush v. Gore n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Nope, we lost that one. A loss is a loss, no matter the toss.