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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:20 AM
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Source: Boston Globe




Browns run may be model for GOP
Tapping discord on health bills


WASHINGTON -

Hes making health care a front-and-center issue in the most liberal state in the country, and its working for him, said Whit Ayres, who cofounded Resurgent Republic, a group of conservative pollsters and strategists formed to shape the national debate. Thats the major message - that this bill is an albatross around the necks of the Democrats, and if it works this well in Massachusetts, just imagine how well it will work in less liberal states.

Brown has portrayed the Democratic health care bills as bloated, tax-stuffed mistakes that would do little to solve Massachusetts biggest health care challenge - controlling costs - while forcing its residents to sub sidize insurance for people in other states. He has called for Congress to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan. And he has capitalized on speculation about whether Democrats might try to delay his confirmation if he wins in order to ram the health bill through, stoking concerns about transparency and fairness raised by special deals Democratic leaders made last year to entice fence-sitters to vote for the bill.
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Even some Republicans who had been predicting big gains in the 2010 elections can scarcely believe the seat that was once occupied by US Senator Edward M. Kennedy, a revered liberal who held it for 47 years and called universal health insurance the cause of my life, is suddenly vulnerable. This in a state whose landmark 2006 health care law became a model for the federal legislation under discussion, a law that remains popular today.Continued...


Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles... /





I think we can agree that there a lot of upset voters out there--of all stripes.

I am not from Mass but what I have read may Democrats there are not happy with the Insurance reform put in place (vs Medicare for all or any semblance of single payer). Now we about to pass the same Insurance "reform" on a national level. Unbelievable!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:22 AM
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:24 AM
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2. I am sure that MA residents are very happy with their mandated insurance
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 08:25 AM by mdmc
which has raised the cost of receiving medical treatment and left many in my exact situation - I have private health insurance that I cannot afford to utilize for medical treatment.

Romney's health insurance mandate is a pretty good model for what is to come if we win in MA.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:29 AM
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3. I believe Obama once said he wanted an 'uniquely American" health
system reform. Yup--the greedy capitalists reign!! In the primaries he ran on health Care reform, then it was suddenly switched to insurance reform!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:34 AM
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5. yupyup
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:33 PM
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30. Yes he did
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 01:33 PM by dflprincess
my state senator also used that phrase a couple years ago. I pointed out to him that we already have an "uniquely American" system - and it doesn't work for us. Apparently, Obama and Congress are happy with that.


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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:32 AM
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4. As much as I can appreciate that many Democrats are unhappy
Why would they dishonor the memory of Ted Kennedy and put a Republican in his seat? Isn't there another way to show dissatisfaction?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:35 AM
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6. I think the dishonor comes from pre-existing condition penalities
and the lack of affordable medical treatment.

But I bet Teddy would have supported Obama on this..
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:36 AM
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8. He, like Obama, was for anything just to get a signing ceremony.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:35 PM
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31. It's hard to say
Kennedy wanted us to have access to health CARE and he didn't live long enough to see just how bad this bill got.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:36 AM
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7. Maybe that is all they can think of for now??
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:51 AM
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9. It is not Teddy's seat, it belongs to the people of the people of MA
The party would do well to remember that.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:55 AM
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10. Brown reminded people of that.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:01 AM
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12. My FIL is in MA, that was one of the things he said he like with Brown
He says the sense of entitlement to that seat by the dems has rubbed some the wrong way.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:06 AM
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15. ah, the specter of the sense of entitlement has risen. I did not
know that nor think of the race in those terms. It may indeed play a role (as it did for Hillary--I think it played a role in the primaries also. Sorry to bring up the primaries but there are lessons to learn from it).
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:17 AM
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17. It'll be interesting to see where the independents go in this vote
in MA even the independents lean to teh left, I know of several from friend's of my wife. She is fom Methuen. If in thei dark blue state teh independents run to the righ in large numbers it is a ill wind for the dems in November.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:34 AM
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22. I saw a poll recently saying the indies were leaning for Brown. given that
the polls seem to be all over the place (but many within the margin), it is hard to tell.
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rem3006 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:57 PM
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34. The really smart thing about that remark
was by leading off with "with all due respect". That took the statement from flippant to serious, and made listeners pay closer attention. That made it really sink in.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:00 AM
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11. If we can lose in MA over this healthcare bill we can lose everywhere
Electoral suicide. I knew it.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:03 AM
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13. If it is even closer then 55% to 45% the blue dogs will bolt to the right
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 09:03 AM by Craftsman
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:05 AM
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14. The sooner health care is passed and signed by Obama, the sooner this will not be factor.
Thus the GOP's 'Operation Delay.'
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:38 PM
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32. That's assuming that he ever gets a healthcare bill and it doesn't look like that will happen soon
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 01:39 PM by dflprincess
Right now it looks like all he'll do is sign the Insurance Company Profit Protection Act and then claim it was HCR. I'm sure he'll make it sound so pretty at the SOTU that many people won't even know he's talking about a bill that doesn't exist.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:11 AM
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16. I just hope everyone understands the Republican plan for Health Care..
The way I feel about it is every single Democratic Senator is for it and every single Republican is opposed. I believe Democrats one hell of a lot sooner than I believe Republicans..If Mass is so stupid as to vote in a Republican then there truly is no hope left in America..
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:17 AM
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18. I think Mass. residents undrstand that better than anyone....
It's called Romney-care and its about to be nationwide.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:22 AM
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20. If that were truly the case why would they elect Ted Kennedy decade after decade?
If Republicans make any headway on this with their long history of blocking any and all Health care or any social justice programs then all I can say is America deserves exactly what they will get and it will be an even worse decade than the last one was..
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:30 AM
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21. Ted Kennedy did not support Romney-care...
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 09:33 AM by WriteDown
and he wouldn't support this national bill. Mandates with no public options. Sure sounds a lot like Romney-care to me.
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:35 AM
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23. Is that true?
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 11:24 AM
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28. That's why I think...
Romney won't be the GOP nominee in 2012. The GOP plans to campaign against the health insurance reform that will soon be passed. It would be pretty difficult to run against "Obamacare" when it pretty much the same plan your presidential nominee enacted.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:19 AM
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19. The devil I know is better then the devil I don't
is the view of many I've talked to.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:44 PM
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33. Let me get this straight..
The Democrats sell us out to the health insurance companies - but it will be the voters fault if what they want is access to care, not "coverage", and can't bring themselves to vote for another Democrats who is willing to screw them?
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reformist Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:51 AM
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24. It's not just unhappiness with the health care plan

If Brown wins, it will be a wake-up call to Democrats to deal with the #1 problem in the country today. In case they forgot, "it's the economy, stupid." If the Dems think that last year's $787B stop-gap bill solved everything,, they are sadly mistaken.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:47 AM
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26. Sometimes people are so short sighted they don't understand Health Care reform "is" the economy
Every day that goes by costs for health care go up and up. Employers will not hire when Health Care costs keep soaring and they have to pay the majority of it..In fact a lot of employers are either already laying people off or considering doing so entirely because of Health Insurance costs..Causing this bill to go down will do nothing but continue the decline..Amazing to me how quickly people want to return to a completely failed way of governing (Republican)and can't see the forest for the trees..This is going to be one of the most important bills that Democrats have ever passed and they need a little support not constant criticism.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:56 AM
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25. I"m sure the happy-talk cheerleaders will be coming along any time now...
to set you straight and explain how the health care bill as it stands is terrific, how all Americans--save for a few Republican and hard-left bitter-enders--love it, and that it will be a big, big, big winning issue for Democrats in November, and will lead to the defeat of Republicans who vote against it.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:50 AM
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27. yes he is a nude model
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 12:51 PM
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29. LESS than 35% of ALL Americans ...
..support MANDATES to BUY w/o a Public Option.

What DO the Democrats EXPECT to happen? :shrug:

ALL projections show Premiums INCREASING over the next few years.
America WILL blame the Democrats....and rightly so.


The Democrats have done the impossible.
They have resurrected a DEAD political party and given them credibility for opposing this nightmare without forcing THEM to take ANY political risk.


In 2008, America gave The Democratic Party:
*The White House

*The House

*The Senate

*a HUGE MANDATE for "CHANGE".


But..but...but..."Its ALL Joe Lieberman's fault!!!".
Sorry.
America won't buy it.
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