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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:10 PM
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Hume's comments on Buddhism, Tiger Woods upset faithful
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TAMPA, Fla. — When Fox News analyst Brit Hume suggested last weekend that Tiger Woods turn to Jesus to deal with his sins, critics argued that Hume showed little knowledge about Buddhism, the faith that has been a major influence in the golfer’s life.

“I don’t think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that is offered by the Christian faith,” Hume said. “So my message to Tiger would be, 'Tiger, turn to the Christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world.' "
That rankled many American Buddhists, who say Hume is missing the point of the 2,500-year-old Eastern faith.
“I think it’s ridiculous to make those statements,” said Robert Thurman, a professor of Tibetan studies at Columbia University. “It is insulting to Buddhism to indicate that Buddhism doesn’t take care of its own believers and followers. But I think he will discover that Buddhists are very forgiving about his stupid statements.”
Woods, a married father of two, hasn’t been seen since a bizarre Thanksgiving weekend car crash outside his Florida home unleashed a torrent of reports about his numerous alleged mistresses.
On Monday during an interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, Hume addressed the topic again, but didn’t apologize to Buddhists: “My sense about Tiger is that he needs something that Christianity, especially, provides and gives and offers. And that is redemption and forgiveness.”
Woods’ spokesman declined comment for this story. But in past interviews Woods credited his mother and her Thai Buddhism with giving him the focus needed on the golf course and throughout his life, about how it teaches that people have to work out their own problems.
“I believe in Buddhism. Not every aspect, but most of it,” Woods told Sports Illustrated in 1996. “So I take bits and pieces. I don’t believe that human beings can achieve ultimate enlightenment, because humans have flaws.”
Sex scandals in American society are nothing new, of course, and the Christian faith of many of the fallen is mentioned with their revelations. In the last couple years, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, former presidential candidate John Edwards and Nevada Sen. John Ensign are a few of the recent examples of men who have cheated on their wives. All spoke of their faith in God and Jesus and finding forgiveness in the wake of the affairs.
So how do the world’s 350 million Buddhists deal with infidelity, marital strife and sin?
They follow the example of Siddhartha Gautama — the Buddha — a wealthy prince they believe became enlightened in the sixth century B.C.
“Buddhism starts with the premise that we suffer,” said James Shaheen, editor and publisher of Tricycle, a Buddhist magazine. “At the foundation of Buddhism is ethics. An ethical life leads to a life of less suffering.”
Buddhism’s code of personal conduct is just as strong as other major religions: followers should not kill, steal, gossip, use intoxicants like drugs or alcohol or commit sexual misconduct.
“Adultery is as much of a sin in Buddhism as it is in Christianity,” Thurman said. “The ethics are the same in both traditions. Adultery is a sin and causes the kinds of problems that Tiger Woods is in.”
Where many Westerners stumble is that Buddhists’ definition of sin — and what happens after it — differs from the Judeo-Christian tradition, as the consequences of Buddhists’ actions are a result of a person’s thoughts and deeds rather than divine punishment. Believers have to look to themselves and turn to an ethical way of life for redemption, although there are savior figures within the faith who do their best to help a Buddhist in need. There is no one, omnipotent “creator god” to bestow redemption as in Christianity.
Said Stephen Prothero, a Boston University professor on Buddhism and the author of “Religious Literacy: What Americans Need to Know:”
“You have the law of karma, so no matter what Woods says or does, he is going to have to pay for whatever wrongs he’s done,” said Prothero. “There’s no accountant in the sky wiping sins off your balance sheet, like there is in Christianity.”
Certain Buddhist traditions believe that if a person misbehaves, he or she will be reborn into various realms of hell. Others believe the justice is much swifter, that the penalties will be suffered in this life.
“What causes you to do what Tiger Woods did is ignorance,” said James William Coleman, a professor of Buddhist studies at Cal Polytechnic State University in San Luis Obispo, Calif. “If you do what he’s done, it comes back and hurts you. You wouldn’t do that if you weren’t ignorant.”
Brad Warner, a California-based Zen priest and the author of the book “Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate” suggests that Woods return to his Buddhism roots and become introspective.
“I would first tell him to sit with the problem, look into himself and try to see clearly for himself what he needs to do,” Warner said. “The problem is something he’s got to work out for himself.”

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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:11 PM
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1. Brit Hume is a dipshit.
And what kind of name is that, anyway? The guy needs to STFU.
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:22 PM
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7. What you said.
Your post is spot on, including your sig line.

:hi:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:17 PM
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2. Hume is a fucking idiot. Why does anyone care what he babbles?
Isn't the Addams family missing a butler?

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:20 PM
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4. A Hand to slap him with. It is absolutely
none of Hume's business.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:45 PM
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11. Isn't that a Zen koan?
What is the sound of one hand slapping?
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:56 PM
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13. Since it would touch flesh I suppose it would
sound like a thunder clap slap.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:20 PM
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5. +1. Stop. No more Hume threads.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:22 PM
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6. Earworm: The Addams Family theme song. Imagery: Brit Hume
You have been haunted...

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:20 PM
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3. fuck all of that. News is for news, not girlhood friend personal advice
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 02:21 PM by sui generis
All anyone needs to know about Buddhism or Jesusism is that they don't cure anything that somebody doesn't think is a problem.

Tiger doesn't think fucking around is a problem. It's just getting caught that's the problem. Buddha, Jesus, and the One True FSM are lifestyle philosophies if you're not a literalist.

Brit Hume is no better than a gossiping yenta; proselytizing in some pathetic attempt to try to build consensus with his core viewership and deliver the judgement of the masses. In that regard, Brit Hume is a bit like a huckster snake oil priest offering cheap homilies and borrowed advice.

If you're an American news professional, you really need to review your journalistic principles and keep irrationality, personal belief, and unsolicited advice out of your delivery.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:28 PM
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9. I agree that this was totally inappropriate.
However, some deeply devoted Christians see it as their mission to convert the world.

Since Hume's son committed suicide, he has turned to faith for comfort and has become one of those deeply devoted Christians.

He should keep it out of news commentary, though. The two do not mix well. People will respect him less for it; I know I do.

I used to watch him on ABC, but never on Fox, so it has little to do with me, except when it comes up on other news programs, as it has now.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:51 PM
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12. I think Tiger is starting to get the idea that it is a problem.
Some people can only learn from their own mistakes.

I had to experience all three sides of the triange (at different times, of course) before I figured it out. What can I say? I'm a slow learner.

Hume should know, however, that saying such things ALWAYS come back to bite you in the ass.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:21 PM
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21. Are you actually considering Brit Hume a 'news professional'?
Seriously, the man sounds like a 1967 Dodge trying to start up after sitting in a snow storm. And this junk he spouts off is far from anything I would call 'news'.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:23 PM
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8. Thanks for the post
I just thought Hume's comments were typical of the nonsense that comes from that type of person. No different from when Ann Coulter said that Christians were "perfected Jews." An endless source of entertainment once you learn not to take them seriously.

The "Agnostic Buddhism" of Stephen Batchelor works well for me.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:38 PM
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16. Mahalo for your kind words
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:06 PM
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19. Mahalo for posting this.
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 05:06 PM by Ignis
We've spent a good deal of time on DU pointing out Hume's idiocy, but not enough dissecting how and why what he said was so offensive.

And not just offensive to Buddhists. It should offend us all. :patriot:
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:41 PM
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10. Get out free card
Brit and many politicians and famous people seem to think all it takes to be forgiven for infidelity is to become "born again". A lot of the public seems to agree with this. I don't. Forgiveness depends on actions taken after the person asks for forgiveness.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:47 PM
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17. That is EXACTLY what that was about ...
being christian actually isn't good enough ... PLENTLY of christian democrats who don't get it ...

But, being a christian republican pretty much means you can do WTF you want and it is all good if you talk about god ...

That is what Hume said REEKS of ...
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:28 PM
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14. "critics argued that Hume showed little knowledge" nt
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:35 PM
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15. Gee, you can't blame the best golfer in the world for trying to play as many holes as he can.
What?! :)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:51 PM
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18. Hume's comments were profoundly ignorant. k/r. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:15 PM
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20. I'm a Secular Humanist with Buddhist sympathies and think Hume is a bigoted dipshit.
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 05:17 PM by Odin2005
The fact that deities are irrelevant in Buddhism and it's precepts are based on psychology and not divine revelation is why it's so appealing to me, since I'm an Atheist, after all.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 05:44 PM
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22. The so called "christian" right doesn't care about who they insult
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 05:45 PM by depakid
which makes it all the more amusing when they find the most innocuous- or ridiculous things to be insulted about themselves- and then play the "poor martyr" card.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 07:10 PM
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23. "That rankled many Buddhists" line made me laugh.
One of the key tenets of Buddhism is to not allow such trivial things to upset your inner peace.
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