I cannot stay in my seat the final hour before a flight lands!
I have a slight problem with my prostate. On an overseas flight coming into JFK it can be well over an hour after a flight lands that it gets to the gate and I can get to a bathroom in the concourse (sometimes you have to go through customs first) There is no way I can hold my bladder that long. I usually try to go in to the lavatory in the plane as close to landing as possible. So what do they expect with this silly rule. Pee my pants?
21. Well I don't think it's insensitive, and I have serious bladder issues too
I'll never get on a plane, but if I did, I would also have a problem with the last hour and not being able to pee. Sometimes I have to go every 15 minutes. And being nervous doesn't help. Not to mention having IBS. So yeah, what do people with bladder/intestinal issues do? Pee and shit themselves?
I think maybe something more than a "pee in" is needed here.
There should also be a "shit in"
A whole planeload of people sitting in their own shits smelling the place up.
101. Don't blame the airlines for this shit (no pun intended).
This is a stupid over reaction to a lone nut.
Of course it does not stop the neo nazi thugs jumping on the bandwagon of racial profile all Muslims and the more extreme saying ban them from flying. (Some of these stupid suggestions were from people who call themselves Democrats).
I don't mean it as heartless as it may seem. Banning cabin movement one hour before landing is not only a ridiculous measure from a safety and security perspective, it is insensitive to small children (and the adults traveling with them) as well as to people with certain medical conditions.
5. Well, that should afflict approximately 50% of men over age 50
When you take into account all the other reasons for needing toilet facilities more urgently (diarrhea, medication reactions, nausea, etc.) I should think TSA will rue the day they decided upon this arbitrary policy. Pretty soon NO ONE will elect to fly.
12. This has nothing to do with President Obama. Truly.
Yes, we need changes to be made in airline security regulations. What those should be remains to be seen. For now, we're dealing with a bureaucracy that thinks it has to do something after every incident, whether what they do makes any sense or not.
The reality is that this man should never have been allowed to board a plane bound for the USA. The failure lies in the fact that he was allowed to board. Barn door closing regulations that don't address that are the feeble hand-waving of some Peter Principled bureaucrat who can't think of anything else to do.
President Obama has nothing to do with it, really. The whole DHS system needs a major revamp, but that wasn't going to happen in 2009. Maybe in 2011. Maybe. 2010 is going to be taken up with small, popular changes that won't cost anyone an election. It's going to be that simple. Watch for DADT to end. That's an easy one for 2010.
17. Yes, he does. DHS issues, however, need to be addressed
by replacing DHS officials, not using his bully pulpit. Frankly, President Obama has had a lot on his plate in 2009. Expect him to put his energies on some narrower issues in 2010, once the HCR thing has been signed. I know, I know...it's not the HCR bill we wanted, but it's all that could get through both houses of Congress, and it's still not over.
There are smaller, more focused issues that will be addressed in the next two years. Easier to accomplish ones, too.
A review of DHS is on the list, and there will be new appointments made. Nothing changes overnight.
it goes along with other problems people have with a real need to visit the lavatory in the plane.
I'm a geezer guy, too. I restrict fluid intake before and during flights to avoid this problem. I've found a formula that minimizes the issue. Other than that, I don't know what to say. The regulation won't change, I'm afraid, for some time.
63. Risking bladder infections and worse in order to play along with the
TSA's illusion of security is NOT something I plan to compromise on. What fuckery that is? What's next? Will they make everyone fly naked? Will this be one of those compromises that needs to be done? This does not NEED to be done. It's bullshit.
There is not one thing you or I or anyone else in the flying public can do to alter these often silly rules. So, if we want to fly, we do whatever it is. Then, a few hours later, we get off at our destination and go about our business or pleasure.
Every time there is a new rule, multiple threads start up decrying it. I don't like these rules either, but when I fly, which is only a couple of times a year, these days, I do what is necessary to get from here to there without conflict.
Everything about flying, from trying to park at the airport to the long wait at the baggage carousel, is a hassle. Taking off my shoes because some moron tried to bomb a plane with his shoes is a hassle, too, but not that big a deal for me. I just wear some slip-ons and get through security.
Can't pee for the last hour? Well, I guess I'll skip the mid-flight cup of coffee. Can't use my laptop during the last hour? Well my crummy battery would have given out before then, anyhow, and I like looking out the window.
There are real problems out there. Jumping through some hoop at the airport isn't one that stresses me out. I'm more stressed by the traffic at the drop-off and the chance my luggage won't arrive on the same plane as I do.
If someone can't handle having to be in a seat for an hour, I hope they don't sit near me in the middle of a four seat row across the pacific. I stay up the day before and can sleep for 12 hours on a plane.
97. Some of us travel for work - and we don't have a choice.
Employers don't give us time to take cruises or long train/bus/car rides.
I think the OP has pointed out a legitimate issue that is particularly compelling because it's not at all clear to me that this rule will stop real terrorists.
The govt and airlines should carefully examine what truly would have detected the danger this latest terrorist and others like him posed and devise reasonable steps based on that, rather than putting thousands of people through needless stress on top of the crap they have been dealing with for years.
18. Consider this bladder-bursting, colon-stretching scenario:
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 10:54 AM by DemoTex
A Trans-Global Airways 777 is 60 minutes out of JFK after a long flight from Paris against 100-knot headwinds. The flight attendants have already secured the cabin. Passengers are confined to their seats for the remainder of the flight until the aircraft is parked at the gate at JFK.
Over Boston the flight crew receives this clearance from Boston Center: "Trans-Global 123, you are cleared to Providence to hold southwest, right hand turns, ten mile legs. Maintain 15,000 feet. Expect further clearance in 45 minutes. Reason for holding: JFK RVR (runway visual range) below Cat-III minimums in heavy snow."
After 30 minutes in the holding pattern over PVD, the JFK runway visibility improves to a quarter of a mile. Trans-Global 123 is cleared out of holding, and continues on to JFK. Fifteen miles from JFK Trans-Global is put into a 18 minute holding pattern while snow plows groom JFK's only open runway. When flight 123 departs the holding fix for the ILS approach into JFK, the passengers have been strapped in their seats for over two hours.
"Trans-Global 123, this is New York Approach Control. You are cleared for the ILS-22L approach. Runway 22L visual range 900 feet, braking action reported nil by a Trans-Global Boeing 747. Report marker inbound to the tower."
"Approach, this is Trans-Global 123. We can't accept an approach to a runway with nil braking. Show us missed approach. I guess we better head to our alternate, Washington Dulles."
Ultimately, I suspect we're going to have to fly wearing hospital gowns because we'll have to check our entire wardrobe, including the clothes we're wearing. No electronic devices of any kind will be allowed.
what if people go through those body scanners and they've got a bit of constipation and the screen shows something strange in the lower abdominal area (an impacted stool). I don't even know if stool would show up, but just say they did...
What happens then?
Which wouldn't be an entirely bad thing if someone is horribly constipated, but still...rather humiliating
And imagine the people traveling with children. And what if the plane has to circle for clearance to land for a long time, or if its diverted? This is just absurd. There are so many problems with this idea. And if a terrorist really wants to blow up a plane, can't they just do it one hour earlier? What's so magical about one hour before landing?
Unless I've missed something, the cargo area still the most vulnerable area of a plane. Sheesh.
Put very simply, if you have to go potty and turbulence keeps you in your seat, you will be very, very uncomfortable. However, as frequently as turbulence occurs, it is still treated as the exception rather than the rule. This supposed security restriction is always going to apply. And what if you have severe turbulence mid-flight that doesn't stop until an hour before landing?
53. I flew from OKC to Phoenix a couple years ago...
we weren't allowed to leave our seats the entire time because of bad turbulence. I was frantic when we landed because I had to pee so bad (and I hate turbulence, so I was already a nervous wreck). It sucked.
44. Ah, but they won't have any privacy to do it and get away with it.
I haven't read any of the details as to how this recent scenario went down, but it would make sense from the stand point of having privacy to set up or ignite something without the other passengers coming to the rescue.
40. The new rule will also increase the risk of deep vein thrombosis, for two reasons:
1) The limitation on mobility.
2) The fact that passenger worries about being unable to use the bathroom during that last hour will lead them to ignore the advice to drink plenty of water both before and during the flight as a way to avoid DVT. (And the usual advice is to drink even more water if you're also drinking anything containing caffeine or alcohol.)
42. If NASA astromauts can wear adult diapers, so can all of us with concerns.
I don't fly so I don't have to worry about it, but someday no doubt I will have to board a plane to somewhere.
I intend on having a few adult diapers in my carried purse/bag. I have a really small bladder, confirmed to be about 1/4 the size of an average adult bladder. The last time I took a plane I was 6.5 months pregnant. Got stuck on the runway for 3 hours and they wouldn't let me out of my seat. . . well not until I literally threatened to pee on their seats. But I realize that those rules are for a reason so I felt bad. Few years/decades later, that NASA crazy lady had the diapers in her purse to go harm her lover's other girlfriend. I don't know why or how, but I decided that was probably the best choice for me both for long car trips and for planes. Once I feel the need to go, even 10-15 mile trip to a rest stop can be impossible, I've peed on the side of the road many times. Seems the diapers would actually be more pleasant than hanging my ass, as lovely as it is, out on a public road with holiday traffic whizzing by.
52. I'm sure corporate America will look at a potential boon in new kinds of diaper sales!
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 12:28 PM by cascadiance
That would allow for capture of pee and incontinence on a flight, much like the industries for toiletries love having the ADDED market they wouldn't have had otherwise to sell people "sample size" toiletry items they wouldn't be able to sell otherwise for people that need to avoid checking baggage on flights currently.
Then of course that's what the terrorists will do, is find a way to make these diapers into bombs too. Then what will happen? I guess then you'll have a tube that you need to hook up to yourself in your seat for peeing and have a few of those seats available on every flight that will make retrofitting these planes that much more expensive, and pass that expense on to us too.
Bottom line is I think they need to find other ways to monitor what people have that could cause problems than this stupid 1 hour rule. I bet many people would prefer having mandatory video cameras in airplane restrooms instead to monitor what's going on than face the prospect of sitting in seats that have been urinated on on previous flights, etc.
excellent bladder control. But my SO does not. He had a radical prostatectomy earlier this year, and regained bladder control within 3 days after DCing the catheter, but is very careful to attend to his bladder needs quickly. Fortunately, he doesn't need to fly much these days. But I'll be reminding him of this absurd rule next time he does need to fly.
99. Stay in my seat? Forget it. In fact forget travelling to the US at all...
I need to go three or 4 times in the final hour. As the plane descends the pressure builds up and I just have to go.....
The easiest way for me it simple not to go to the USA at all! I then avoid the stupid stay in the seat rule, the stupid limit on liquids (have you ever tried to buy suntan lotion is less than a 4oz bottle?), the stupid security checks and the stupid immigration queues. Oh I almost forgot the poor service on and off the US airlines......
Amazing that the USA is supposed to be the most advanced country in the world.... but the journey and "welcome to America" is shrouded by stress and frustration.
On any given full flight, there will be people using the bathroom up to ten minutes before landing. Just calculate the mealtime plus the number of passengers and logical trips to the bathroom. What an asinine regulation. Passengers will soon be sitting in other passengers' pee. The airlines won't pick up this tab - believe me on that.
they also don't give you updates from the flight deck about where you are or how long until you get to where you are going (like terrorists don't know how to use a watch :eyes: ). Just got in from Seattle & nothing major. Overheard a woman coming from Canada saying that they were all hand-searched upon arrival in the US but the TSA didn't know what they were looking for (oh, I feel so safe now!!!), & that all their carry-on luggage was emptied out & sorted through before they were let in to the US.
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