Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

On Christmas Eve: Massive bailouts to Big Ins/Big Pharma by Senate AND to Freddie/Fannie by WH

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 10:40 PM
Original message
On Christmas Eve: Massive bailouts to Big Ins/Big Pharma by Senate AND to Freddie/Fannie by WH
Many of us were unwilling witnesses to the giveaway to Big Health Insurance/Big Pharma, courtesy of the US Senate on Christmas Eve.

But on the same day, the White House announced an unlimited credit line at the disposal of troubled Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.



Some days are just spectacular for the chosen few, aren't they?



Jane Hamsher writes:

December 26, 2009 11:00 am


The classy move on the part of the White House to give Fannie and Freddie an unlimited slush fund and dump the news on Christmas Eve is drawing rave reviews as finance bloggers get back to work.

Zero Hedge:

So. Let us summarize:

We do not expect the GSE’s to grow their portfolios at all, so we are fixing the bloated portfolio problem by easing the portfolio caps to permit a quarter trillion dollar expansion thereof.

We do not expect either of the GSEs to need more help from the Treasury, so we are responding to the underutilized $400 billion “lifeline” the GSE’s have with the Treasury ($111 of which is currently used) by expanding it to… infinity.

Oh, and though they have collectively lost nearly $200 billion, we are paying the CEOs around $6 million each.

Great work team! It’s already almost 11:00. Let’s go to lunch.


Chris Whalen: (from cached link)

The issue for Democrats and members of the American Left raised by this article in The Nation is why does Barack Obama allow this situation to continue one day longer? The continuance of Dugan at OCC and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner at Treasury illustrates how feeble the White House remains when it comes to financial services policy.

Or maybe the problem is one of conflict. Like Larry Summer’s derivatives toxic waste dump inside Harvard’s endowment fund?

And let’s not forget Rahm Emmanuel’s proud legacy as a director of Freddie Mac.

Maybe the Obama White House just can’t go there when it comes to financial anything.


Dave Kotek:

When will Mr Geithner and his colleagues learn that there are no secrets and that transparency and explanation is much better than release of details in the middle of the night. Probably never but there are some of us who will leave our holiday time for a few minutes and keep reminding them. We are scheduled to remind them again on CNBC Closing Bell at 4:30 PM on Monday. CNBC Squawk Box Asia and on CNBC Power Lunch on December 30.


Numerian:

We are getting very used to watching the federal government operate with only the sketchiest information on what it is doing. Most everything seems to be done behind doors and in secrecy. That’s what makes this brief announcement about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so troublesome. When the federal government starts talking about unlimited guaranties to cover future losses, our biggest worry ought to be that whatever large number we can contemplate is included under the word “unlimited”, the government has an even larger number in mind.


Ian Welsh:

Notice also how they’ve made an unlimited commitment without consulting Congress. You only need Congressional approval to spend money on wars and healthcare, when it comes to bailing out banks, apparently the Presidency controls the power of the purse all by itself.




And still no independent auditor for Fannie/Freddie in sight.

But you want health care reform?


Ha! 60 votes.






As Jon Walker sums it up:


December 26, 2009 7:03 am


The Treasury had originally given both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac a $200 billion line of credit. Even though neither company had come close reaching their current credit limit, the Obama administration had been thinking of doubling that line of credit to $800 billion total ($400 billion each). Instead of doubling the limit, the Obama administration announced late Christmas Eve that the Treasury department would give both companies an unlimited line of credit. By removing any cap on the potential loan before the end of the year, Obama was able to avoid getting Congressional approval for the decision.

We have been hearing a lot of big numbers lately due to the bailouts. It is important to put into context just how massive this loan to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac really is (and without Congressional approval!). So consider this, the GDP of the following countries are:

South Korea – $929 billion
Netherlands – $860 billion
Turkey – $794 billion
Poland – $526 billion
Indonesia – $514 billion
Saudi Arabia – $468 billion
Norway – $450 billion
Greece – $357 billion
Argentina – $328 billion

(source World Bank 2008)

President Obama, without congressional oversight or approval, decided to give these two companies a loan equal to the entire economic output of most mid-size countries. You may agree or disagree with this move. You may think it is “necessary” because of how completely broken our Congress is. Regardless, it is important to realize the sheer size of the numbers being (discussed).





How long did they think this would go unnoticed?


The caliber of this corporate robbery of the public purse is astronomical, unprecedented and facilitated by this administration.



There is no looking away from this.









Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:22 PM
Response to Original message
1. KICK
:kick:

and Recommend, of course. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:31 PM
Response to Original message
2. k&r
Good luck spinning this top.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:33 PM
Response to Original message
3. Careful! You'll be accused of being unrealistic.
I think that's becoming my middle name, because I want accountability, which is just not realistic and the equivalent of demanding a pony.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. Accountability is not practical. In fact it smacks of ideology. /sarc nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #19
41. "Don't Let the Perfect Be The Enemy of Their Greed...I mean Of The Good..."
n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Heh. OTOH, it's kind of flattering that they think our ideas are perfect. :) nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
4. Thanks for the links.
Folks have been posting about this since it happened and it is at the center of the hamsher /norquist letter. Good to see the financial blogs getting in on it. No one should let up about this.

We are being robbed blind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
5. kick and recommend. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:07 AM
Response to Original message
6. slush fund? Hamsher just makes shit up and DU's dimmer bulbs just post here.... jeez
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
31. Ummm....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
7. Have a merry corporate government christmas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:12 AM
Response to Original message
8. It does behoove us to pay close attention to the Friday and holiday weekend news dumps
when our government does the things they hope no one will notice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:33 AM
Response to Original message
9. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:32 AM
Response to Original message
10. Somehow
This is the fault of liberals. I don't know how, but I'm sure we're going to be blamed for it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
11. Makes the health care giveaway to the "for profit" corporations even clearer . . .!!! Disgusting!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Uniquely American Prioritie$ & Value$
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DonkeyHoTay Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. Giveaways to all but thetruly needy... n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #11
45. +100
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:24 AM
Response to Original message
13. My personal opinion as to the reason stuff like this is going on
Is that they've got to keep propping the house of cards to postpone a complete collapse. And I don't think they can do anything but postpone it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Stop making sense.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. Some truth to that
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 11:02 AM by laughingliberal
And there is no will to change direction. There are things that could be done, maybe not to prevent the collapse but to begin rebuilding on another paradigm, but it will not happen. We are just going to funnel more to the top til they just turn out the lights and leave a devastated nation in the wake as they move on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. Agreed that is what they are doing, but I wish they were working at a real solution rather
than hitting the accelerator and shuffling the deck chairs.

It is starting to look like we the people are going to have to grab the wheel.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. >>It is starting to look like we the people are going to have to grab the wheel.
I wish I knew how we could do that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. See my sig links
especially http://www.livingeconomies.org

There is a way out of this mess. I just wish President Obama really did mean he wanted to look forward and had given David Korten a seat at the table instead of Larry Summers and all the other 90s retreads, it would be nice to have a powerful ally in cleaning up this catastrophe. IOW, really grab a mop.

But we can still do it on our own.

I highly recommending reading all of David Korten's books, but especially 'Agenda for a New Economy'.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. Thank you, I will do that. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #23
37. Someday soon, people may start walking away from their debt.
Mortgage mods aren't working, and credit card companies are stiffing even their loyal customers. Once enough people get together and realize that:
1) it's easier for them to just declare bankruptcy, and
2) they are the foundation of the entire house of cards,
things will start to shake.

It's the kind of thing that has to reach critical mass, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
39. It also gives these politically protected criminals time ...
...for One More BIG Smash & Grab.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
17. is it 2012 yet? I want to vote against the corporate Robbin' Hood NOW
I can't afford 3 more years of highway robbery.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:27 PM
Response to Original message
18. Abe Lincoln's suggestion....
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Goverment, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."-- Abraham Lincoln, 1861




:patriot: :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Careful!
It's becoming dangerous to quote those who created the nation we still pretend to be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
20. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
22. kick b/c I don't think enough people have seen this
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
24. K&R !!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:33 PM
Response to Original message
26. Jane Hamsher writes
Nothing but lies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
27. When my grandchildren are old enough to understand
The first thing I'm going to do is read Howard Zinn's "A Young People's History of the United States" to them.

The second thing I'm going to tell them is they have no moral obligation to pay back the huge debt they've been handed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:45 PM
Response to Original message
28. I hope Obama acts to look into this and sacks cabinet members if necessary.
If he does not, he is handing the republicans a huge gift. And to anyone who points out that the republicans are very corrupt and have no moral standing, I would point out that although you are technically correct, Obama's decision not to investigate the Bush administration essentially saves them from the consequences. Do not expect the republican party to return the favor whenever it is that they get back in power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
29. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:58 PM
Response to Original message
30. Kick (already rec'd)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
32. The most massive ripoff of the American taxpayer EVER seen. Yet some DUers deny or ignore it.
Un fucking believable. :wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. I know what you mean. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Not only will they deny it
They will try to excuse it. How much are we going to put up with? Republican tactics under a "Democratic" administration makes it okay? Really?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
33. This bullshit didn't get past those of us that are watching - not even
on Christmas Eve. The problem is getting anyone to pay attention or care. I've found that, when I post stuff about the financial mess we're in, it usually doesn't draw much interest. Congratulations on a good post. K&R.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
38. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:31 PM
Response to Original message
40. But...but....but....
Jane Hampshire is a RACIST!!1!!111!!!

SHE is the problem!
NOT what the Obama administration and The Blue Dog/DLC "Cetrist/Pragmatic" Democrats working with their Ideological twins (Republicans) have done!

If it weren't for JANE HAMPSHIRE THE RACIST, everything would be just peachy!!1!1!!!!!

And...and...and...... Obama did NOT run on a Public Option!1!1!1!!!!!

I'm SERIES!!1!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. Yeah and Obama never said War is Peace and he deserves that Peace Prize!!1!!1
Who cares that people are STILL dying overseas in U.S. led wars because Obama has nothing to do with those wars!!11!!1

The excuses that people are coming up with around here are ridiculous and as well as a major distraction from the truth. :crazy:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 07:56 PM
Response to Original message
46. Monday, Dec. 28: Fannie, Freddie Stocks Soar On Dec. 24 news of unlimited gov't credit line
And here we are...



(Hat tip to HuffPo and DU's Amerigo Vespucci)


Fannie, Freddie Stock Prices Soar On Announcement Of Government's Blank Check Support

December 29, 2009






Shares of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were up big yesterday on the Treasury Department's Christmas Eve announcement that it would issue blank check support to the troubled lenders. Fannie Mae shares were up 21 percent and shares of Freddie Mac rose 27 percent during yesterday's trading. (In early trading this morning, Fannie Mae shares were up 7.87 percent; Freddie Mac shares were up 5 percent.)

The Treasury Department removed a $200 billion cap on its support for the two lenders, which signaled to investors that the beleaguered companies will continue to be used to prop up the housing market well into next year.

Though neither lender was close to topping the $200 billion cap on government support, Treasury's announcement likely signals that the lenders will continue to provide a massive crutch to the housing market.

.....

Though it's certainly worrisome that the two enormous, bailed-out -- and unreformed -- institutions will seemingly be central to the Obama administration's effort to stabilize the housing market, George issued a word of caution on the recent run-up in Fannie-Freddie shares. CNNMoney passes along this nugget: "The shares have no long term value," he wrote. "This reinforces our view that the common shares will eventually trade to zero."

At the LA Times, Tom Petruno talks to bank analyst Bert Ely, who is similarly negative on the value nature of Fannie and Freddie's shares. Investors in the two lenders "won't get anything back" long-term, says Ely. Here's more: "Ely points out another reason to doubt that the stocks have any real value: The pay packages the Treasury announced Thursday for the companies’ chief executives consisted exclusively of cash compensation; no shares were offered. "




The Shock Doctrine, D. C. style.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 18th 2024, 11:29 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC