Where do you stand?

[bluestateguy]

Poll question: Where do you stand?

[MineralMan]

1. Other:

On my own two feet.

[blondeatlast]

8. I'm there, but really dizzy from the spinning. nt

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[Donnachaidh]

3. push polling -- yet another Rovian tactic

desperation moves by the Chorale. :eyes:

[Ignis]

4. But it's GOOD when we do it, 'cuz we're the GOOD guys.

:banghead:

[Donnachaidh]

27. yup. It's done with a coat of BLUE!

And they wrap themselves even tighter in the flag. :eyes:

[Ignis]

31. I propose the neologism "bluewash." (nt)

[Donnachaidh]

32. I agree! n/t

[Bluebear]

35. +1

[GreenPartyVoter]

48. +1

[bluestateguy]

7. If you are against this bill you stand with Jim DeMint

and standing with Jim DeMint is your right, if you want to stand with Jim DeMint. Jim DeMint is for killing the bill and if you are for killing the bill then you are for what Jim DeMint is for. I certainly won't stand in your way if you want to help Jim DeMint kill the bill.

[Bluebear]

10. So...Obama is against gay marriage so he stands with Fred Phelps?

Ridiculous.

[racaulk]

11. +1

[xchrom]

14. +2

[phasma ex machina]

18. +3

[itsrobert]

19. +4

!

[QC]

20. +5

[FLAprogressive]

22. +6

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. +7

[Uncle Joe]

28. +8

[NMMNG]

29. +9

Why not? He stands with Warren, McClurkin, et. al.

[jonnyblitz]

38. +10

[Raine]

40. +11 nt

[Political Heretic]

43. +12

[invictus]

44. +12

[Political Heretic]

45. I noticed the OP hasn't been back since this obvious good point.

[shadowknows69]

47. For the win.

[Donnachaidh]

25. is that what the memo from Rahm said?

You folks really studied repuke tactics -- and learned how to apply them like crazy. Of COURSE it shuts up any voices of DISSENT. The boot polish must be expensive for the Chorale.

How big TENT of you.

[GreenArrow]

34. false dilemma

Bad logic.

[Ron Green]

5. Other: Single payer

1) Single payer, everyone in, no one out.
2) Official policy toward good health and away from market-based "freedom" that's really sickness and poison.
3) An honest national discussion of death as the most natural part of life.

[luckyleftyme2]

12. ABOUT YOUR LAST DAYS

For those of you that have not had it happen to a close family member My family lost one this week. After a certain point the insurance companies and drs. make the decision on continuing treatment of a patient. FOR ANYONE IN THIS DAY AND AGE NOT TO KNOW THAT SEEMS BEYOND REALITY.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GET AN OPERATION UNLESS THE DR.MEETS THE STANDARDS SET BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES! IF YOU GOT GALL STONES-YA SHOW THEM- I SUFFERED 3 EXTRA YEARS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PROVE IT WITH X-RAYS- I WAS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM 3 DAYS RUNNING WHEN THE DR SAID WE ARE OPERATING -THE RESULT -ONE MORE DAY AND I COULD HAVE DIED! HIS WORDS IT SHOULD HAVE COME OUT 10 YEARS AGO!
MY COMPLAINT ABOUT THE RIGHT-THEY COULD CARELESS ABOUT THE WORKING MAN! THEY ONLY WANT TO KILL THE BILL OR MAKE IT AS WEAK AS POSSIBLE!

[Edweird]

13. Ok, given your story , why on earth are you supporting the insurance companies?

They are being given a monopoly sanctioned and enforced by the government. We are moving away from single payer and straight into privatization. This bill mandates INSURANCE which, as you have learned, IS NOT HEALTHCARE.

[StarfarerBill]

16. Ditto. +1

[QC]

15. Merry Christmas, Senator McCarthy. n/t

[Edweird]

17. Oh, I guess you're from the "privatize because the government can't do anything right" wing

of the Democratic Party. Privatization, along with other very bad ideas, seem to have lasting bi-partisan support.

[timeforpeace]

21. Isn't he the one who said "the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of everyone else's

money"?

[sendero]

23. How about..

.. I stand for improving Health Care not Health Insurance profits.

Your push poll sucks.

[JFN1]

24. Really loaded poll question...

You might as well have asked, "What do you prefer - air with oxygen in it, or pure methane to breath?"

Try harder.

[ibegurpard]

37. As such, I'll own a "Kill the Bill"

It's shit.
How do we reform healthcare? Let's mandate insurance coverage purchase!
Let's institutionalize the industry that's the root of many of our healthcare woes.
You expect me to cheerlead this because it happened on Democrats' watch?
pfft..

[onethatcares]

30. I want Health CARE Reform, not gauddammm

more profits for the insurance industry.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. I reluctantly support this crappy legislation. nt.

[Indenturedebtor]

36. Bwahahaha nice Bushie poll! n/t

[shadowknows69]

39. How about other: Fuck this stupid push poll.

[gleaner]

41. I stand alone ....

or with others of like mind. This bill is not adequate. This bill is not what we were promised. This bill will benefit the insurance industry more than any individual who needs health insurance. I still want a single payer plan with fees based on ability to pay, medicare for everyone, and with surcharges on those whose income is $500,000 or greater. It is not all one way or the other. There are more than two choices. I wouldn't stand with either Obama or DeMint on anything.

[Political Heretic]

42. So childish. And depsite your juvenille guilt by association logical fallacy, kill the bill.

[Balbus]

46. Kill this POS bill!

[depakid]

49. Unlike you- I don't stand with the corrupt health insurance industry

Moreover- at this point, the public's also going to associate their continuing abuses with Democrats (as well they should).

This bill alone could mobilize legions of people to go to the polls and vote for whichever party didn't do it, and I'm pretty sure the GOP won't be shy about reminding Americans who that is.

[Bluebear]

50. McCarthian Kick!

[Blue_In_AK]

51. I don't have a crystal ball,

and maybe this bill will ultimately improve our health care delivery system, but I'm not feeling real confident. I certainly don't identify with Jim Demint, because his opposition to the bill is based on a completely different mindset, but I do oppose the bill as it stands. I would have much preferred a single-payer system. It just seems to me that it would be so much simpler and cost-effective for us all to pay our taxes, whatever our income allows, and for us all to have equal access to health care.

Maybe this very flawed piece of legislation is a good first step and maybe it isn't. If it fails, then we'll just have to try again later and maybe remember the lessons from this time. I guess I really am a socialist...

[L0oniX]

52. other n/t