I resent being told the Public Option was just a figment of my imagination
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 09:00 PM by ThomWV
I'm tired of being told that the Public Option was just something that I pulled out of my ass and that no one running for office told me was what they wanted for the country as well. God dam, if they changed their minds they should just say so, but don't tell me I'm full of shit for thinking I was told my party or those I voted for, were once for it too.
Never heard of it, and if I did, Obama didn't say it... And even if he DID, it wasn't really part of the REAL "campaign", AND I DEFY your attempts to make me admit it with your phony screen caps, direct quotes, and video!
You're just a hater, and anyway, JANE HAMPSHIRE IS A RACIST!!1!!11
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18. Thank you! I am weary of being bashed as a whacko for advocating for the party platform
Or is it just whoever wins our nomination gets to do whatever they want? If so I see no reason our delegates should spend all that time at the convention. Let's just show up on the last night, listen to the pretty speech and coronate the nominee.
35. You're 100% correct. And you'll get *crickets* from detractors.
Covering All Americans and Providing Real Choices of Affordable Health Insurance Options.
Families and individuals should have the option of keeping the coverage they have or choosing from a wide array of health insurance plans, including many private health insurance options and a public plan. Coverage should be made affordable for all Americans with subsidies provided through tax credits and other means.
don't you see, it never happened. It was all just a figment of your imagination.:sarcasm: Now go to sleep...go to sleep, America. And when you wake up...YOU'LL BE SURROUNDED BY DOCTORS WITH PIG SNOUTS FOR NOSES. *cue the Twilight Zone music*
Well, at least according to this administration, the last year was just one long episode of the Twilight Zone and there never was a public option. It was just a snipe hunt, a distraction for us gullible lefties to chase while the real "reforming" was going on in a smoke filled room.:eyes:
24. There is an ironic typo in that article. It says...
"Acknowledging that his plan shares the same goal of universal coverage as Clinton's, he said his would wouldn't force people to buy insurance. He emphasized that Clinton has made the difference between the two plans a centerpiece of her argument."
Obama campaigned on several things, one of them being HEALTH CARE REFORM.
Within his Health Care Reform plan he specifically broke it down into several smaller plans. ONE of those plans was a Health Insurance Exchange. PART of the Exchange plan was a not-for-profit "Public Option".
It certainly was not the "lynchpin" of his campaign. In fact, he only mentioned it occasionally, and then only within the broader plan of an Insurance Exchange which was only one piece of one of many policies that he campaigned on. Every other piece of the Health Care Reform that he emphasized during his campaign is included in the Senate bill, including the Health Insurance Exchange with provisions for a non-profit option.
Obama repeatedly told us that the Public Option was a miniscule part of the overall Health Care Reform plan. He also said he was willing to accept any other ideas if they would perform the same competitive functions as a Public Option, since the purpose of the PO was to supply competition to keep prices down. Luckily, the bill includes other measures (such as restricting the MLR) that will help keep prices down.
The Public Option gained the most media attention because it was the most contentious part of Obama's HCR plan, thanks to the "anti-Socialist" fear-mongers. Although Obama did mention it occasionally during the campaign as part of a much broader reform, he did not campaign on it specifically.
Realistically, look at past Presidential campaigns and see how their "campaign promises", well, "evolved" once they actually became President.
The first thing that comes to my mind was Jimmy Carter's promise to kill the B1 bomber program during his campaign. He later did a complete reversal as he became privy to new information as President. I am not "dissing" Carter - if we had listened to him then we would not have many of the problems we have today. I admire him for being able to change his policies to do what he felt best for the American People.
Personally, I would love to see Medicare for All. But it just ain't gonna happen.
Yes, yes, the Blue Dog Dems are fucking everything up. Not as badly as the Repukes did, but still pretty badly.
But it is NOT Obama's fault. It is the fault of obstructionist Republicans, ConservaDems, and conservative Independents in Progressive clothing (I'm looking at YOU, Joe LIEberman).
So, what do you want Obama to do? Finish the job that Bush started with the Unitary Executive Theory so that we no longer have a Representative Democracy but a Dictatorship?!?!?!
Focus your ire on the Congressional Dems that have betrayed us, where it belongs.
the most insightful comment I can make is that I don't understand your (and others') discontent. I won't debate "facts" with you, because we won't agree on what they are, or what they mean, beyond:
*I would have rather had single-payer, and barring that a public option, and I am/will be VERY personally affected by the outcome of the health plan.
But I cannot comprehend the source of the emotional reaction against Obama. I can understand the anti-Lieberman sentiment, though. Comparisons of Obama and Lieberman as being "the same" appear to me to be similar to those comparisons of Gore and Bush as being "the same" in 2000: just plain 'wrong-headed'. I think others who take my position are the same, and they attempt to debate, and the two "sides" don't agree on which direction the sky is, and the emotions heat up.
So when you add that you "resent" one of the arguments in these discussions, to me it seems to solidify the impression that you are unwilling to discuss the subject rationally. I cannot foresee that any amount of justification will reverse that impression.
I could only begin to guess what is the source of the huge disconnect between two groups who both despise Republicans. All I know is that it exists. It seems, with the election of Obama, that we've reached a point where the enemy of my enemy is no longer my friend by that fact alone.
Now we have to WORK for any scrap of unity we might salvage.
50. I call it a lie that we were not given to think we would finally get health care...
and this mandated crap is horrible and will make a lot of families fall under the loss of everything. Sometimes when you live close to the edge already..all it takes is missing a payment here or there or a new bill...like a mandated insurance to throw a family right out of their homes and onto the streets.
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