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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:16 PM
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Oh Good... Triagulation Is Back...
The Left/Right Populist Wrap-Around Vs. the Beltway Insiders
By: Jane Hamsher Friday December 18, 2009 10:44 am

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Glenn Greenwald and Ed Kilgore both have very good pieces up today on the impoverished left/right dialectic that dominates the media coverage of politics, and its inadequacy when it comes to discussing the dynamics of the health care debate. The sight of pundits yucking it up about the “Democratic circular firing squad” have become as tedious and threadbare as those counseling “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” Both of these admonitions have at their heart the notion that “liberals” are being irrational, unreasonable and rigid in refusing to accept the Senate health care bill.

But in the very next breath, they will then promote statistics that say the tea parties are more popular than either the Democratic or the Republican party, and wonder if it’s an opportune time for a third party candidate. (From the “right,” of course, because who would take the “left” seriously.) At no time do the synapses firing in their brains make the connection that both the “lazy progressive bloggers” and the tea party activists are saying almost the exact same thing about the Senate bill.

Ben Smith printed a letter from a “liberal blog denizen” (who curiously didn’t want to use their name) that I think represents the White House/media thinking pretty well:

The trick is to put a package together that some visible element of “the left” is out there opposing, but that actually has the support of everyone who matters on the left. SEIU isn’t opposing the bill. NAACP isn’t opposing the bill. Important thought-leaders like Paul Krugman aren’t opposing the bill. Surf over to MoveOn.org and you’ll see they’re highlighting some “f*** you Joe Lieberman” stuff, but not seriously trying to push liberal Senators to vote “no” (indeed, during an earlier iteration of the argument they espoused the view that any filibustering Democrat deserve a primary challenge.). But members who want to feel like they’re doing some meaningful triangulation get to point to Jane Hamsher on MSNBC denouncing the whole thing and feel like they’re getting one over on the left.

This is probably the most useful role that the existence of a large and feisty activist blogosphere can play during a non-election time. Their existence and their passion shift the whole public conversation to the left. They make it possible for governing from the center to be *seen as governing from the center* rather than having a replay of the Clinton years when centrist governance came to define the left-most pole of the possible.


I read that letter and marveled that this is the thinking of the White House. And yet, I think it is. It’s got the blueprint for holding the “veal pen” captive, and then triangulating against those (bloggers) whose financial structures make them much more responsive to populist sentiment – and hence difficult to neuter. It’s the only way that lashing out at Howard Dean and coddling Joe Lieberman — something guaranteed to galvanize the netroots instantly — makes any sense.

And...

With unemployment at 10%, the idea that you can pass a bill whose only merit is that “liberals hate it” just because the media will eat it up and print your talking points in the process is so cynical and short-sighted it’s hard to comprehend anyone would pursue it. It reflects a total insensitivity to the rage that is brewing on the popular front, which is manifest in every single poll out there.

And...

It’s scary to think that people this obscenely stupid are running the country. All the while, the painfully obvious left/right transpartisan consensus that is coalescing against DC insiders of both parties appears to be taking everyone by surprise.

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Link: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/

Here we go again...

:mad:

:nuke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:21 PM
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1. The unions are opposing it now....sort of.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:25 PM
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2. Interesting and infuriating. k&r for exposure. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:27 PM
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3. Look at it this way: It was so cool to be "EXTREME" a few years ago...
Now you have standard political beleifs backed up by facts and everyone will brand you EXTREME for having them.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:28 PM
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4. Oh, admit it! You missed it. Kind of makes you nostalgic, huh?
:sarcasm:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:29 PM
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5. Recommend-this is'health-care' nafta.nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:31 PM
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6. Yep. With bells, whistles, and a brigade of pom-pom shaking apologists .
All of whom are demanding we hold our noses and vote for the sellouts again.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:35 PM
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7. I take it you're voting anarchist party next time?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:41 PM
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11. I'll vote for the most progressive, anti-war, candidate on the ballot.
Even if I have to write one in.

What Anarchist Party? I'm a Democrat.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:45 PM
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12. Your avatar is the anarchy symbol.
I assumed you chose it for a reason.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:55 PM
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13. No. It's an Anarchist symbol.
Just like there are avatars here for Christians, football fans, golfers, and others. Do you expect the Cubs fans to vote for the Cubs Party?

Anarchism does not equal anarchy anymore than pacifism equals passivity.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:36 PM
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8. No matter how much evidence is out there to the contrary
Barack Obama still thinks it is 1993.

Someone needs to take away Rahm Emmanuel's Spin Doctor and Tag Team tape away.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:36 PM
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9. K&R. We're going to get the IMF treatment from "our own" government. n/t
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:38 PM
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10. Wow, you nailed that one. Really kind of puts in perspective.....nt
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 04:05 PM
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14. They can't get 60 votes because there are some actual liberals in their way.
I love those guys, Sanders and Feingold.
They aren't going to just sit idly by and let that piece of crap be served to the American people like a piece of pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top.
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