I was wrong

[malaise]

I should have known that the insurance companies were always going to win.
People aren't angry enough for real reforms yet - that day will come.

[EFerrari]

1. You aren't officially wrong yet.

(What are we talking about :silly: )

[malaise]

10. Yes I was wrong

and I'm not waiting for the official proof. The insurance companies won. Fuck them and the sell out politicians

[panader0]

2. Gotta agree with you on this

All things happen when the time is due. Just the way it is.

[valerief]

3. Right. Reform always requires violence unfortunately. nt

[provis99]

4. yep. You were wrong. Unfortunately.

But in this political system, the voters get the representation they deserve, so ultimately I don't blame the Republicans or DINOs, or corporations. I blame dumber-than-wood voters.

[malaise]

7. It's the same in all these so called democracies

There is no democracy - just the election of candidates from two parties that both support corporations and ignore citizens.
It's truly fucked up but people will soon be angry across the globe - then we'll see sweeping changes.
When Wall Street, the corporate heads and the politicians are afraid of the people we'll know change is coming.

[Blasphemer]

5. Very true... my guess is 2022-2025.... nt

[HillGal]

6. I have to say I'm terrified about this bill. I heard on a news show that the CBO has projected the

health insurance costs to a family of 4 making $80,000 to be $15,000 a year. That may sound like a lot of money to make in some places, but it's peanuts in the NY area. I could never afford $15,000 a year. I just feel like I'm hanging on by a thread paying out of pocket now. I'm very scared.

[malaise]

8. Don't listen to the BS on M$Greedia

Hacks have one job - to spread propaganda. There's more disinformation than news.

[HillGal]

13. I read the CBO report and it's not BS. NT

[HillGal]

14. I read the CBO report and it's not BS. NT

[Yuugal]

9. Don't be too scared

Its all a scam to get the repukes back in power. The dems are taking a dive and its all part of the korporate plan. No one will expect you to pay, except in blood when you get really sick someday. That was the plan all along.

[joeunderdog]

11. with those numbers, the BushCo fleecing of the middle class looks like chump (Chimp) change.

Honestly. Mandated! Fork over your salary. THis will devestate--DEVESTATE--anyone but the rich.

Who will be able to feed their family? Who will buy the widgets? What will happen to the tax base to fund America's future?

[HillGal]

17. I've said that all along, the rich will be able to continue to afford insurance and

will be able to pay out of pocket if needed, the rest of us will be shoved aside.

[Blasphemer]

16. I don't know if those numbers are accurate and what the subsidies would be but I grew up in NYC..

My parents did not have a combined income of $80,000 for most of my childhood (They probably hit $95,000 when I was 25 or so). There were five of us and there is no way they could have afforded a $15,000 a year health insurance bill and that was in the 80's and 90's. Even with subsidies, the very idea that healthcare would carry that kind of price tag is absurd. The insurance industry has moved the goal posts so much with their obscene price gouging that using them as any kind of barometer for health care costs is ridiculous.

[dysfunctional press]

12. i'd like to see that day come soon. and in my lifetime.

WHATEVER it takes.

[mullard12ax7]

15. Don't feel too bad, the majority of Americans have been played

as usual. The propaganda of "change" was just a slogan for sales in our failed version of deregulated capitalism.

[nomaco-10]

18. I'm on board with you. What's it gonna take dammit? n/t

[MNDemNY]

19. This bill must be put down.

Kill it before it grows.

[nomaco-10]

20. ABSOLUTELY. n/t

[Laelth]

21. +1 n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[JimWis]

22. Yes - That day will come. If no reform is passed now, I predict

that in less years than we think, insurance will price themselves out of business. No one and no employer will be able to even consider paying such premiums. Than there will be a huge cry for reform, even from the idiots that are against it now. The horrible problem with this scenario is that each year we wait - 46,000 people will die for lack of health coverage and medical access. And that number will grow.

[malaise]

23. That's the truth

When enough people get angry there will be change.

[LiberalLoner]

28. I agree completely with you.

[unkachuck]

24. "...insurance companies were always going to win."

....corporations and their lackies win in a capitalist system....our system is controlled through wealth....

....whether you're talking about crappy healthcare reform or lack of real progress in Copenhagen, it's capitalism that's standing in the way of the people and what they need....

[malaise]

25. Capitalism and the stupid farce

that we call democracy.

[tabasco]

26. Money is the only thing that matters in America.

Insurance companies got more money than God.

[MissMarple]

27. Not totally. Money drives things, along with the lust for power. Our best protection is ...

our constitution. It was a gift. We have to work to keep it. God doesn't need money. But the Pope does and the fundy churches.

[malaise]

30. Money and guns

in any order.

[Kitty Herder]

29. I hope we don't have to wait too long for real reform.

People die from lack of health insurance every day. The sooner real reform takes place the more lives can be saved.

[malaise]

31. The truth is that until the people really want change

there will be no change. The struggle continues.

[Kitty Herder]

32. Indeed.

My hope is that the people decide they really want change sooner rather than later.