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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:53 PM
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If Al Queda really wanted to kill Americans, they should have formed as a health insurance company.
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM by Vinnie From Indy
I am still not getting the whole "clear and present danger" argument being offered in regard to the Taliban and Al Queda.

It has been widely reported that 45,000 Americans die EACH YEAR because they have no healthcare. It does seem a bit odd that we are committed to spending hundreds of billions to fight two wars to protect us from box-cutter wielding Saudi Arabians when so many Americans are dying from lack of healthcare. It would seem that Al Queda could alleviate so much rancor and messy violence if they simply became part of the American healthcare insurance industry. The 9/11 tally of dead and wounded is child's play compared with the body count racked up by the American healthcare system each year. Is it just me or does 45,000 Americans dying each year seem like more of a problem than some guys in caves with bad intentions and packaging tools?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:54 PM
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1. + a couple million or so....
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 09:55 PM by mike_c
Wow! What an EXCELLENT post! Rec'd, of course!
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:55 PM
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2. Wow, that's just awesome!
But health care just isn't as sexxxy as violence, is it? I really can't think of any other reason why this isn't more widely understood.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM
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3. Gee..are you suggesting that our masters really really do not care about us?
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM
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4. yeah, they could make Evan Bayh's wife a board member
too.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM
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That makes me wonder
how many virgins does the insurance rep. get every time he denies a life-saving procedure?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:34 AM
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33. Lol. n/t
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:11 PM
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58. The poorer the person he denies is the more virgins he gets
He gets double if the person goes bankrupt or dies.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM
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5. Damn fine post
Well said
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:57 PM
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6. Bumper sticker idea!!!
If Al Qaeda really wanted to kill Americans,
they would have formed as a health insurance company.


Thanks! :hi:
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:58 PM
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7. I'm stealing it.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:59 PM
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8. Lol! Yep! But they'd have to publically take credit for the killing. nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:00 PM
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9. "Your claim has been rejected...BECAUSE YOU ARE AN INFIDEL!!!"
n/t
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:23 PM
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18. LOL
That would make an excellent skit!

A bunch of bearded Taliban claims adjusters sitting at desks in a huge call center office.

"Your claim has been rejected because you are a woman and you showed your ankles. NEXT!"

"Your claim has been denied because you flew a kite. NEXT!"

"Your claim has been denied because you listened to music. NEXT!"

Cheers!
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:57 PM
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41. Beer and Chicharrones! NEXT!
:beer:
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:33 PM
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55. send this to SNL and demand royalties.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:43 PM
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72. At least they'd be factually correct, on those grounds.
And it's certainly a pre-existing condition.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:00 PM
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10. You know they're just kicking themselves right now
Much more comfortable in an executive boardroom.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:01 PM
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11. Your OP title cannot be improved upon !!!
There are so many truths revealed in that one sentence.

I salute you! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:01 PM
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12. Mutual of Osama?
:evilgrin:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:01 PM
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13. That's the part I have trouble with too
At least Cheney used scary stories in order to beat us into submission when it came to supporting these stupid wars. They were all bullshit of course but they worked.

I guess Obama gives the American people credit for being smart enough not to fall for that kind of scare tactic crap. I think he's way wrong.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:02 PM
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14. spot on vinnie!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:05 PM
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15. Best.Title.Line.Ever!
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:06 PM
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16. LOL. I was saying to the misses the other day that we should rename HCR to Blow Up Stuff
and all the Congress Critters would be falling all over themselves to fund it.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:45 PM
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57. War on Death! n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:19 PM
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17. Yeah, "HealthSouth Jihad" would be much more efficient at killing Americans
While providing a healthy profit for those who do the actual killing.

And as a bonus, they'd be protected from antitrust legislation.

Brilliant!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:23 PM
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19. K & R
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:33 PM
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20. K & R
:thumbsup:
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:34 PM
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21. Hey Vinnie! Your OP is one of the best I've seen on DU...
...especially lately.

I consider the "Health" Insurance Industry to be one of the top enemies of the People.

Thanks and Best Wishes!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:46 PM
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22. K&R....excellent!....n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:51 PM
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23. Best. Post. Ever.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:22 AM
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24. k and r
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:23 AM
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25. not to mention people being forced to buy their non-insurance
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:26 AM
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26. The Audacity of Truth...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:26 AM
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27. Shame that is too long for a bumper sticker.
K&R
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:27 AM
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28. Now you've done it! They have an in now. We will see ALQ Health Insurance soon now.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:28 AM
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29. K & R...great post...great way to put it........
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 12:29 AM by winyanstaz
exactly...and why are we spending the money and sending 100,000 troops to get a few hundred men? Why not just put a bounty on their heads and let the world deal with them.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:35 PM
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61. Why not
sell them "health" insurance?
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:07 PM
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74. Wow! I think you are brilliant!
Why didn't we think of that sooner? Thats the perfect answer to the war on terror!
We could sell them all American health insurance :) rofl......We would save a fortune and they would be dropping like flies!! :)
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from outer space Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:01 AM
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30. Don't try to cloud the issue with your evil logic!
I can't remember where i heard that line, but it sure fits here!
The health system could be fixed if doctors needed Abrams tanks and tomahawk missiles for primary care - all of a sudden
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:33 AM
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32. hey, know something, you
Are right.

And imagine the wonderful coverage we could get if doctors required aircraft carriers and such as part of their standard equipment.

(Welcome to DU as well.)
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:08 PM
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75. yup...Congress would happily throw us deeper in debt for that :P
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:16 AM
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31. As it so happens, a couple friends and I are meeting with
our (yours, too!) Senator on Monday to discuss healthcare. Do you mind if I use this?
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:04 AM
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34. Those 45000 aren't a problem.
They are poor people, after all.
Well, poor and middle class people.
You'll never convince a middle class conservative that bad shit could happen to them, though. At least not until it does.
It's like people that "cope" with a fear of death by imagining people never die. Even if someone close to them dies, they can still convince themselves it'll never happen to them.
Denial isn't really all that useful as a coping mechanism anymore.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:09 AM
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35. K&R
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:53 AM
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36. Best. Line. Ever.
I so shouldn't laugh,but I am. Ruefully.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:12 PM
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37. Who says they didn't?
They're EVERYWHERE!!
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:51 PM
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73. They're just like Savoir Faire
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:13 PM
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38. This is definitely a good argument for fixing the Healthcare system.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:14 PM
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39. what makes you so sure they didn't?
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 01:15 PM by librechik
cuz economic debacle in the US was the goal, as I recall...

jk--I think
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:25 PM
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40. Brilliantly stated.
:kick:
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:27 PM
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42. K&R
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:35 PM
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43. Damn straight and to the point. Enthusiastic K & R.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:45 PM
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44. And hire the Soup Nazi as their HR rep.
:rofl:

No health for you!!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:03 PM
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45. Agree with all of those upthread ...
... that THIS would make a FANTASTIC bumpersticker!!!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:09 PM
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46. OMG!
Best post ever! You have got to send this to Big Eddie (and Keith and Rachel) or at least let me do it for you!:yourock: :fistbump:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:17 PM
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47. Frankly, the "war on terror" would be better served if the US Government
adopted the same plan Walmart uses to destroy small towns.

I can see it now, pissed of ex-al quada's working as greeters!

EX-AQ: (drole) welcome to afghanistan...we have a sale on womans, ugh, panties, 3 for 5 dollars...

also EX-AQ: Imal, is that you?

EX-AQ: yes, (sigh) it is me...

also EX-AQ: what happened to you? Just last year, you were all "death to america" and shit?

EX-AQ: Sigh, I still am, but the wife wants an ice cream maker, we have health care and the kids need braces...

also EX-AQ: what? you are the man of the family!! what is with this ice cream maker shit? Look at all these infidels around you? they are dogs!!

A gleam twinkles in EX-AQ's eye. Suddenly he bursts out in a scream!!!

EX-AQ: IIIIieeeeeeeeeyyyyyy!!!! Death to American Pigs!! Death to American occupation!!! Death to American capitalism!!!!

Suddenly, out of no where comes an over stuffed red faces manager.

MANAGER: What's going on here? Imal, what are you doing? (to also EX-AQ) Is Imal bothering you?

EX-AQ cowers.

also EX-AQ: What?

EX-AQ: I'm sorry mr. fluffy..

also EX-AQ: fluffy?

Manager: that's Mr. Floofi. Imal, what did I tell you?

EX-AQ: No more outbursts or my hours get cut.

also EX-AQ stands with mouth agape.

Manager: That's right. Now this is just a warning but if it happens again, I will have to also cut your benefit hours.

EX-AQ: I will be good sir, I need those hours for my daughters birthday party.

Manager leaves.

also EX-AQ: What. The. Fuck?

EX-AQ: Dude, it's my daughers birthd...

also EX-AQ: I don't know you.

Walks away.

EX-AQ: (shouts to also EX-AQ): I forgot to ask, do you want an Afghanistan charge card...
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:41 PM
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63. If only
John Belushi were still alive...he could pull it off.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:28 PM
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48. k i c k
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:29 PM
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49. Great post . . . thanks!
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 03:30 PM by defendandprotect
Right ... WARS and bailouts cost nothing -- at least nothing to be noticed . . .!!!

but, health care -- Medicare for All -- is to be denied!!!

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:31 PM
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50. LOL. And I really needed a good laugh today!
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:56 PM
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51. You're a genius
See my signature line. Hope you don't mind.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:58 PM
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52. K&R
:applause:
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:18 PM
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53. Great post.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:25 PM
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54. k/r
:applause:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:36 PM
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56. K & R !!!
:kick:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:23 PM
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59. Ha!!! I think they're probably one and the same anyway. nt
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:21 PM
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60. Best post ever. Absolutely dead on. I'd rec it a million times
if I could.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:38 PM
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62. How about that - aint it the truth! The enemy is within. -nt
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:35 PM
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64. Occasionally at DU we find someone thinking out of the boxcutter
What a wonderfully creative thread. Recommended.

Sam
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:15 PM
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65. Brilliant Vinnie from Indy!! n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:23 PM
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66. Tell me about it
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:28 PM
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67. Well......
BWAHAhahah aH AHA HA AH AH AHAHAHAH A

Perfect!!
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:29 PM
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68. That is a great one liner. LOL
So sad that it's so true. :(
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:33 PM
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69. someone send this talking point to grayson
K/R:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:35 PM
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70. Best title ever!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:42 PM
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71. No shit.
Kicked and Recommended.
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