Sheriff Joe Is Harassing People

[discocrisco01]

This guys is Outback, Nazi Law Enforcement Officer.

From KPHO

"Politicians, county employees and private citizens claim the sheriff launched investigations into their personal lives after they criticized him.

Terri Leija, who is chief of staff for Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox, said she is under criminal investigation because of her employer.

“They’re trying to scare me to go after my boss,” she told 5 Investigates.

Leija has not been charged with a crime.

“I walk around some days thinking, ‘How is this allowed to be happening?’” she asked.

Susan Schuerman, deputy administrator for Supervisor Don Stapley, echoed this sentiment.

“I don’t have any criminal history,” Schuerman said. “Why I should be tainted is outrageous."

Schuerman said the investigation makes it difficult for her to come to work.

“This has been an absolute nightmare,” she said:

Read more at http://www.kpho.com/news/21729886/detail.html

[47of74]

1. And cops wonder why people think of them as pigs

Even supposedly good cops wonder why people look upon them as pigs.
The answer is simple. They tolerate the likes of Arpaio.

[Stephanie]

4. Nice try.

No dice. You are way out of line. Give it up.

[imdjh]

5. Arpaio is an elected official. Elected by a super majority.

[Sebastian Doyle]

20. Arpaio is a fucking worthless piece of shit.

Some cops are good. Some cops are bad. Some are flaming balls of nazi shit. Joe definitely would be in the third category.

[imdjh]

28. Well you can thank the open borders folks for obscuring that.

Because they have made it seem like Sheriff Joe is just a good old sheriff being attacked because he's trying to guard the border, eject the illegals, and protect the people.

That's the problem with lying. When their true objection is that ANYONE is trying to police the border and eject illegals, then it comes through when they attack Arpaio. So even if he is doing something wrong in some other aspect of his job, it's obscured by the fact that his detractors object to him enforcing the law.

[Flaneur]

42. That's pathetic. Really twisted, in fact.

Gawd, I get tired of the rightists trawling this board.

[imdjh]

56. Yeah, I love you too.

[blueamy66]

50. What did you just type?

?? huh ??

[dorktv]

70. out of curiousity, do you live in Maricopa County?

[imdjh]

72. My favorite cousin lives in Cave Creek

[dorktv]

75. so the answer is no, and you presume to speak of what is going on here?

interesting...

[treestar]

74. It's not his job

Enforcement of immigration is the problem of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. State and local police have nothing to do with it and often want nothing to do with it.

[lies and propaganda]

34. of sorry ass OLD people.

No matter the strides arizona can make, it will NEVER get anywhere because the college kids stay home and the snowbirds VOTE. and they vote like the octogenarians they are.

[varelse]

48. He is abusing his power

And is now under investigation by the FBI for so doing:

...the FBI is investigating the abuse-of-power claims, sources said, and some of those interviewed by 5 Investigates confirmed they spoke with FBI agents.

[blueamy66]

49. A super majority of Mormons,

holy roller christians, conservative repukes and senior citizens in my lovely home state.

[Euromutt]

13. Arpaio is hardly representative of cops in general

FWIW, I'm led to understand the city police departments in Maricopa County (especially Mesa PD) hate Arpaio's guts, not least because he keeps running operations in their turf without informing them, and he neglects policing the unincorporated areas in the process.

But there's no police force that has the authority to eject Arpaio; as imdjh points out, he's an elected official. Maybe the state A-G could undertake some action, because Christ knows Arpaio's behavior has displayed a blatant lack of respect for the rule of law. But the main people to blame for Arpaio continuing to be in office are the people who keep voting for him.

[AzNick]

32. True. Copes hate him.

I joke with them about Joe, how he is their model, how he is so honest and so tough and they laugh, always.

[paulsby]

14. actually most people don't

and in fact quite the opposite.

but don't let facts get in your way. oh, and btw--- cops don't "tolerate" arpaio. they have no choice but to work for him, if they want to keep their job. the citizens of maricopa county ELECT that nimrod. i have relatives who are retired cops and republicans who live there and THEY think arpaio is a nimrod, fwiw.

but again, people (most) do not look upon cops as pigs.

i will provide plenty of polling data to refute you if you so desire.

fortunately, it's just a small subset of bigoted ninnies who think cops are pigs

hth

[varelse]

47. Let's not tar them all with the same brush

we might have to have a much harder look at many of our own elected representatives if we were to accept that rationale.

[MadMaddie]

2. Intimidation and bullying why does that sound so familier?

Oh I know that is the mob, or gangsta way of handling business.

When is the DOJ going to indict this guy and shut down his abuses of the law?

[merh]

3. People don't realize how common this is.

And not just on a state level.

It can be very harmful to your livelihood and your mental health to be on the wrong side of some involved in politics or to just work for someone who is considered a political enemy.

Cops are not the only ones who participate in this type of political bullying. Why do you think congress passed The Hatch Act so many years ago. FWIW, the Bush administration was notorious for it.

[imdjh]

6. So you think a constitutional officer made up the charges against this person?

[merh]

8. A constitutional officer?

What do you mean by that?

[merh]

9. Perhaps you should take the time to read the article at the link.

Schuerman said the investigation makes it difficult for her to come to work.

“This has been an absolute nightmare,” she said.

Her boss, Stapley, was indicted on 118 charges relating to the nondisclosure of a variety of land deals, business associations and business assets.

At the time, the county supervisor said he was falsely accused. Fifty-two of the charges were thrown out in August, and prosecutors requested the rest be dropped in September.

Three days after the request was made, deputies arrested Stapley on 100 new counts -- 93 felonies and seven misdemeanors.

Two men who set up Stapley’s legal defense fund said they were targeted, too. 5 Investigates agreed to withhold their names as they feared retribution.

The day the fund went online, sheriff’s deputies showed up at all of the “trustees’” homes, asking whether they were promised anything from Stapley in return for their efforts.

The deputies stayed until 11:30 p.m. in at least one case, the men said.

“I was intimidated,” one said. “I started questioning whether I should have stepped forward and helped Don out … in his time of need.”

-snip-

Nevertheless, the FBI is investigating the abuse-of-power claims, sources said, and some of those interviewed by 5 Investigates confirmed they spoke with FBI agents.

118 charges were dismissed so they charged the guy with 100 new charges.

And then they investigated the folks who were trying to help the guy raise money for his defense.

What does that sound like to you?

[imdjh]

10. If I had a reason to believe that Arpaio was guilty and the supervisor was innocent, I might agree..

... However, I could as easily think that the prosecutor simply chose a side. Arapio is under attack for enforcing immigration laws, and making a name for himself in law enforcement. It's more reasonable to believe that he is the target rather than the weapon.

[tkmorris]

11. Oh man, really?

You are DEFENDING Sheriff Arpaio? Credibility canceled sir, you're done. Finished. Kaput. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

[sweetloukillbot]

15. I'll say one positive thing about Sherriff Joe... He loves animals.

I wholeheartedly approve of the way he supports animal rescue and prosecutes animal cruelty cases.
Everything else he does is vile - the man is a corrupt racist monster, as is his lapdog, Andrew Thomas, the county attorney. His "arrest anyone vaguely Latino looking in the barrio" immigration sweeps, people dying in stress positions in his interrogation rooms, tent city, tainted bologna sandwiches, the horrors are endless. And the best (worst) was the ugliest campaign ad I've ever seen - where he accused his Democratic opponent of masturbating on public time. Yet the Republicans and the Seniors love him and he'll keep getting elected - he's even leading polling for governor, god help us.

[lonestarnot]

17. He likes to exploit them for his benefit and photo op images.

[sweetloukillbot]

39. Maybe so...

But if there's a photo op and some justice is done in the process, fine and dandy. And as I said, it's the ONLY thing I like about the bastard.

[mudplanet]

24. Sweet jebus, Hitler loved his dog, too.

[imdjh]

18. Because I don't buy into the bullshit put out by the Socialist Party, some overaged...

.... screaming dick from a burned out band, and the rest of the ridiculous open borders folks and their childlike dream catcher following of neo flower children?

Spare me the burn out talk, and the burn out message, "man".

[Name removed]

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[JoeyT]

36. Wow. Someone defending Joe?

That's...beyond belief, really.

What about his deputy stealing files out of a defense attorney's briefcase while her back was turned during court? Joe is defending this, by the way.
What about him and his deputy thugs harassing anyone that looks like their tan is too dark?
What about the time he seized a reporter's documents and refused to give them back?

The man has no respect for the law whatsoever.

[imdjh]

37. Not defending Joe so much as pointing out the flaws in the attacks on him.

What about his deputy stealing files out of a defense attorney's briefcase while her back was turned during court? Joe is defending this, by the way.

I haven't seen where Joe was defending it. That's not to say that he hasn't, just that I haven't seen it. As for what that was about, it will be interesting to see since the deputy will be answering to a higher authority.

What about him and his deputy thugs harassing anyone that looks like their tan is too dark?

Even if you believe that his police force profiles, surely you realize that your characterization of this is hyperbole and largely generated by people who oppose law enforcement in general and immigration enforcement in particular. The department has Americans of Mexican ancestry and other Spanish speaking people, different ethnicity and mixed ethnicity persons there. Sorry, but there is good reason to question the motives of those making this accusation, since they are easily found marching with signs in opposition of border patrols and immigration enforcement.

Frankly, I've heard this accusation in various forms even here where immigration isn't much of an issue but race is. The dash cams in police cars will go a long way to prove or disprove these allegations. It will be hard for someone to claim to have been pulled over "just because I'm..." when the cam says, "just because you rolled the stop sign."


What about the time he seized a reporter's documents and refused to give them back?

Not familiar with that one. Something some folks here aren't getting is that I don't think Arpaio is a saint, or even that he isn't an asshole. He is a Republican, after all. But he's on the right side of the illegal immigration issue and as long as self-styled liberals/progressives are on the wrong side of that issue, they are going to give credence to the "law and order candidates are Republican" meme.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. Arpaio ordered his deputy to ignore the judge's punishment of that Deputy

What that Deputy did is one of the most outrageous things I've ever seen in a courtroom. And if Arpaio is telling his deputy not to submit to the law then that makes Arpaio an outlaw.

[imdjh]

52. Like I said, I haven't read anything else about it, and I'm also not an expert on Arpaio's powers.

He is an expert on his powers and you can be certain of it. It's a western state where the sheriff was once a very high office. It's possible he has the authority to do what you have said he has done. The reason I give him credit for knowing what his powers are is because the county commissioners (or something like that) tried to order him to do something, and he reminded them real quick that he holds a higher office than they do and he doesn't answer to them.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

58. He doesn't have the authority to tell his Deputy to defy a judge's ruling

Arpaio is strictly relegated to enforcement of the law, not deciding what the law is or how it's interpreted.

[imdjh]

61. You are more confident of that then the judge it seems.

"Donahoe was skeptical last week that Arizona law gave him any authority to punish Stoddard for taking the file. But in the ruling, Donahoe said he found case law that allowed him to do it. It had to do with a 1995 case in which a judge determined that something that took place outside of his or her courtroom still affected the integrity of the court."

Moreover, even if the judge has the authority to order the deputy to apologize or face contempt, he does not have the authority to do it the way he seems to have done it, which is to make the "sentence" contingent on the attorney accepting his apology. That's not a legitimate court ruling, it's an attempt to humiliate a constitutional officer as part of this pissing contest between judge Donohoe and Sheriff Arpaio.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

63. You don't understand the law

You are advocating anarchy. A peace officer doesn't get to decide that a judge is wrong and then ignore that judge's ruling. To do that is to promote the complete unraveling of our justice system. A judge's ruling can be appealed, which requires adherence to our court system. It can't be ignored. To do that would place that Deputy above the law and Arpaio as well. I find it incredible that you suggest use of case law allowing a Deputy to steal from a file in open court. First, case law must be argued in a judicial proceeding to defend that Deputy. No defense of that Deputy was brought forth in a court of law. Second, to rely on case law and a prior judge's ruling in another matter while defying the court and it's process is an untenable position. You don't say in one breath 'well let's rely on a previous judge's decision that is a part of the legal system' and then in the next breath propose that a Deputy can then defy that very legal system on which he purports to rely. Again, a Deputy can't defy a judge's ruling by ignoring it. He can appeal the judge's decision, which is then working within the legal system, not defying it.

[imdjh]

67. Did you notice the quotes?

I'm not advocating anything. I was speculating on whether the judge had the authority to direct the sheriff to do anything, and it appears that I wasn't the only one to ask that question. Apparently the judge himself wondered because HE went looking for the authority, as he was apparently not certain of it as you seem to be.

Separation of powers is not anarchy.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

68. You appeal the ruling

You don't take it upon yourself and your own authority what judge's ruling you will or won't obey. And yes, you're advocating anarchy. You're not describing separation of powers. You're describing law enforcement's (an executive agency) willfil disobedience and flaunting of the law.

And you don't seem to understand the term "separation of powers". The term doesn't mean one branch of government can ignore the other. If that were the case, every law breaking congressman could ignore a sentence imposed on them for criminal activity by the judicial branch. The separation of powers involves different kinds of powers possessed by different branches. The legislative makes the law, the executive enforces it, while the judges interpret it and pass judgement. A sheriff doesn't have the authority to decide whether a judge's ruling is wrong and then ignore it. That would usurp the power of the judicial branch. He's either got to submit to it or appeal it within the system, but he can't go rogue and place himself above the system.

[imdjh]

59. It's interesting.

There is a certain amount of trust involved in how our branches of government interact. If the sheriff's office is the muscle for the court, then how does the court tell the sheriff what to do? It seems that this judge Donohoe and Sheriff Arpaio have been going at it for awhile now and not just over this latest thing.
It seems that the county is fucking with the funding for the sheriff's department, so the sheriff's department is putting the squeeze on the courts, perhaps so the court will put the squeeze on the county.

Did we ever find out what the paper was that the deputy took and copied?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

62. I don't care if it was used toilet paper

A Deputy in a courtroom doesn't infringe on the 4th amendment by illegally searching and seizing ANY property from an attorney's file. A Deputy doesn't infringe on the privileged and confidential relationship between attorney and client and violate the 6th amendment right to counsel. A Deputy doesn't violate due process as a branch of government and prejudice the opportunity of a criminal defendant to present his defense. What that Deputy did is one of the most outrageous things I've seen in a courtroom in many years. The fact that he remains unpunished to me warrants arresting and shooting Arpaio if he refuses to give up his Deputy.

Through its ruling on what that Deputy did, the court DID tell the enforcement branch what to do. As a law enforcer, a Sheriff is not allowed to decide on his own what the law is or how it's interpreted. A Sheriff needs a search warrant signed by a judge before he can search a suspect. A Sheriff needs a sentence handed out by a judge before he can punish a criminal. A Sheriff is at the service of the courts, not the other way around.

If the Sheriff doesn't obey the court, it's a mark of the fact he thinks he's a dictator. Supposedly, Arpaio has a D.A. who apparently refuses to investigate him or bring charges against him. That's lawlessness. If our country was run by Joe Arpaio's, we'd be back to the middle ages and warlords who run the land and who feel they don't have to answer to anyone.

[imdjh]

60. It's interesting.

There is a certain amount of trust involved in how our branches of government interact. If the sheriff's office is the muscle for the court, then how does the court tell the sheriff what to do? It seems that this judge Donohoe and Sheriff Arpaio have been going at it for awhile now and not just over this latest thing.
It seems that the county is fucking with the funding for the sheriff's department, so the sheriff's department is putting the squeeze on the courts, perhaps so the court will put the squeeze on the county.

Did we ever find out what the paper was that the deputy took and copied?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

65. Weasel-out FAIL.

And by the way, Feigning Ignorance FAIL too.

[Flaneur]

45. There is nothing progressive or Democratic about Joe Arpaio

He embodies the worst of this country, he appeals to hatred and fear, he tramples peoples' rights. Why are you here peddling this tripe?

[imdjh]

53. There is no substance to your post, it's tiresome.

[U4ikLefty]

55. Your support of a bigot is tiresome.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

64. Ooooooo the evul libruls. All of them are dirty hippies.

Thank you, sir, for showing your true colors.

Tell your friend Joe that he's scum. You can quote me on that.

[Jim Sagle]

12. Only more reasonable for those with negative IQ.

[merh]

16. Arapio violates the civil rights of human beings as easily as you

post your nonsense and sadly, he does it all too often.

He is not enforcing immigration laws, he is abusing his power.

But you go ahead and defend him and let the rest of the board see what you are all about, no skin off of my nose.

[imdjh]

19. That is so incredibly childish. "Agree with me or nobody will like you. I'll show you."

You're wrong on the immigration issue, and therefore you have handed it to Arpaio. Do you not get that? You and that Mayor of Phoenix or whatever he is, acting like immigration enforcement is about being mean to these hard working people who just want a better life for the chiddren. It isn't about that. It's about hard realities, numbers, costs, projections.

If you can show me how the US will be better off in 20 years with 120 million more people than we would otherwise have, then I will toss Arapio under the next express- but if you can't, then he's one of few taking a stand to hold back the tide.

[merh]

21. The feds have limited his powers and he continues to try to

enforce laws he has no authority to enforce.
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/Feds-limit-Arpaio-s-power-to-enforce-federal/7mLEs6OxO0q48xIEmGfmOQ.cspx

He also constantly violates the US District Court order regarding the humane treatment of prisoners.

I dislike the criminal Joe because he violates the rights of others and that includes immigrants. They are humans, you may consider them trash and that says a whole lot about you.

[imdjh]

22. Do you have the capacity to be straightforward and honest?

Did I say that the illegal immigrants are trash?

[merh]

26. If you agree with Arapio is doing then you consider them trash.

Go ahead and post attacks now, let it all out - show us your true colors.

[imdjh]

30. Jesus, you have a persecution complex on top of everything else?

Discussion with you is obviously pointless. You don't answer specifics, you just call names and roll your eyes.

[merh]

71. You are the one that began the attacks.

I've been very straight forward. I am not the one pretending here.

[Ikonoklast]

23. Look, just because Arpaio arrests and detains a few American citizens

based on the color of their skin doesn't make him a bad guy.

When those brown people get pulled over and can't answer a basic question in English, they need to be arrested.

I'd rather he arrest a thousand American citizens and blatantly violate their Constitutional rights than let one illegal immigrant get in.

After all, if they were really citizens, they would be White and speak English.

Everyone knows that.







Do I really need to post the sarcasm smiley?

Anyone that sticks up for Arpaio must really like sleeping on those white sheets. Very comforting.

[merh]

27. Do they sleep on the same white sheets they wear?

[Ikonoklast]

29. Well, in times like these, everyone economizes you know.

It's a 'twofer'.

[Flaneur]

46. Supporting Arpaio are you?

It isn't all about immigration. He's been an abusive, right-wing asshole for decades. Are you sure you're on the right board? I know where a bunch of people who share your views hang out.

[imdjh]

57. Have you got anything to add? You keep posting the same personal attack over and over.

If I was a whiny titty baby type I'd hit the alert button but I'm not.

[Flaneur]

44. Defending this abusive asshole is just digusting.

Defenders should crawl back into their slimy holes.

[EstimatedProphet]

66. Or maybe you're just stupid...

:shrug:

[backscatter712]

7. If ever there was a place for Psalm 109, it's for the likes of Arpaio, not Obama.

"Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

[ProgressiveProfessor]

25. And he is leading in the polls to be the next state governor

[imdjh]

33. Because people like Merh make any legitimate accusations against Arpaio seem false...

... to the public, which will perceive that they are attacks on Arpaio for his immigration enforcement. The self styled "progressives" will hand the governorship to Arpaio because they are on the wrong side of illegal immigration.

[AzNick]

38. We need to send Saban as our candidate and this time...

Arpaio will not be able to dodge the debate.

Each time I go out I look around me and most of these fellows I see, NOT A DOUBT IN MY MIND, they vote GOP and hate Obama.

I have been begging my wife to move to New England or to California for a while now.

[sweetloukillbot]

41. Saban can't beat him though...

He's a great guy and would be a great sheriff, but come on, he lost by 15 points or so. He has 0 name recognition, apart from the people who know him as a child rapist and serial masturbater from Arpaio's ads. The only way we will get rid of Arpaio in AZ is to indict him.

[AzNick]

73. Arpaio can't dodge debates

And as a governor he would expose himself to some pretty strong investigations.

He probably is looking at the White House in the long run.

Although he is older that dirt (note: SOBs always live longer).

[blueamy66]

69. And that is when I will move the

hell out of this state.

[winyanstaz]

35. This little man needs to be taken out of office by the people come next election...

He is not what a good sheriff should be by any means.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

40. Sounds like the law west of the Pecos

where a peace officer can basically do whatever the hell he wants. Arpaio recently told one of his Deputies to ignore a judge's ruling against the latter for stealing a defense attorney's file from her in open court to try to hurt a defendant's case. It's so outrageous I have no words.

[MadHound]

51. Sheriff Joe should probably cool his jets,

People will only put up with a world class bully for so long, then they go all vigilante on him, Skidmore Missouri style. <http://www.talkguests.com/inbroaddaylight.htm>

[Cleita]

54. Sheriff Joe seems to have a Napoleon complex.

I believe it's time the feds went after him. His own constituency can't seem to control him.