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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:53 PM
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Republicans Promise "Holy War"
In today's LA Times(1), Orrin Hatch (R-Cigna) promises "holy war" to halt the healthcare bill. A couple of days ago, Rush told his listeners they were in a "war without bullets". Beck told his listeners that they were the teenage girl and the government was Roman Polanski. One presumes he didn't mean that the government was going to make visionary, innovative films. No, he meant the government is going to rape you.

Holy war. "War without bullets". "Whites of their eyes". That repugnant Dachau poster. "I'm a proud right-wing terrorist". The rampant racism of the Birther clowns. Am I crazy or is anyone else noticing a pattern here?

The right loves to equivocate. They love to claim that the left were just as bad to Bush, the Democrats were just as hyperbolic and obstructionist. Both claims are untrue, of course, but they're par for the course on the right. What is new is the increasing level of militancy in the rhetoric; subtle (and sometimes overt) allusions to violence. The left, who were routinely accused of being unpatriotic for criticising Bush (who the right pretend to have always been against now) didn't go anything like this far. Perhaps a few posters in the underdepths of the webway posted violent fantasies but in the left as a whole, it didn't happen. And yet, after less than a year out of power, the right are coming within a hairsbreadth of actually inciting assassination.

Look, let's be honest. Obama is a black guy and there are enough unreconstructed racists in the USA that there was always a chance that one of them would take a shot at him. The Secret Service says that threats to the president have quadrupled since Obama took office. The right would have us believe that's just because normal Americans are angry at the president for, well, something (they seem unable to decide what their complaint is) and you can guarantee that, if some nut takes a shot at Obama, they'll do the same dance of deniability: A brief, insincere denunciation of the violence and then straight back to hatred and near-enough justification of that same violence. The same way they did with Scott Roder. The same way they did with the Town Hall lunatics. Since this president took office, they have stopped at nothing to paint him as illegitimate, dangerous, even alien. They've done everything but outright say that, since the president is such a monster, you might as well take a shot at him.

Oh, I know I'm not supposed to say that. You're not supposed to talk about the distinct possibility that some maniac will absorb the violent rhetoric tacitly encouraged by the right and act upon it. But the rhetoric is there and it is violent (Sean Hannity's site a while back had a survey asking it's readers what kind of revolution they'd prefer). And there is a distinct possibility that someone will act upon it. The Secret Service are dedicated to their jobs but they're only human and it only takes a moment for a maniac to get lucky. And if he does, the right will soothe themselves with the thought that the left would have been just as bad to Bush.

I'm not sure what can be done about this. The yappers like Beck and Limbaugh have already made a big noise about their First Amendment rights and you can be certain that if anyone even asks them quietly to dial it back, they'll ramp it up even further. And the 20% crowd will follow them right over that cliff. Just... notice how extreme, how violent the rhetoric has become and realise that these people cannot be negotiated or compromised with. As far as they are concerned, the proper order of the universe is to have Republicans, white Republicans (not all of the criticism is racial but the racial factor is certainly adding heat to it) in charge of everything. Anything else is abomination and must be brought to an end by any means necessary. And I mean any means, the word is an absolute here. If the worst happens, the yappers will make a pretence of their sorrow... and then they'll be straight back to attacking with exactly the same tactics, exactly the same vitriol and the 20%, their followers will quietly toast the shooter with beer. The right these days loves to talk about having a fifth column of communists in the Whitehouse. That's crap, naturally, but it occurs that you may have a literal fifth column of would-be domestic terrorists and a much larger faction that would apologise and cover for them.


(1) http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-health-senate19-2009nov19,0,7126306,full.story
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:57 PM
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1. They ARE in a war without bullets
They are in a battle of wits without a clue.

They are up shit creek without a paddle.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:57 PM
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2. Frightening, isn't it?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:58 PM
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3. Very n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:00 PM
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4. so, will dems take advantage of this FREE PR opportunity label republicans so that
all Americans will see them for what they are? Holy War on sick Americans?

Msongs
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:03 PM
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5. Of course not
Democrats still think they're playing historical re-enactments. They're not willing to follow the Republicans lead and switch to live ammo. Well, Grayson might but he's the only one.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:05 PM
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6. bring it on
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:10 PM
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7. The GOP will cheerfully bring it on. Will the Dems put up a fight?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:17 PM
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8. No, not at all
Why, just yesterday right here at DU, I was told authoritatively that nobody had anything to worry about. All the signals, dog whistles, rhetoric and such was just stuff to be said, didn't really mean anything, certainly not violence! And anyone that thought that was being insulting to honest decent people all over the country, and was living a very sad life, to be so suspicious that the words might presage actions.

I was unpersuaded.

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:01 PM
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9. Yeah, me too
I honestly think the right are trying (some deliberately, some not) to stir up an assassination or even a full-blown revolt. Whether they'll manage it is another matter but it worries me all the same. Part of the reason it worries me is that we're barely a year on from Obama's election, how extreme are they going to get in another year, another three years or seven or; because the rhetoric never returns to a natural level, it always gets more extreme; to whoever comes after Obama?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:08 PM
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10. How are they any worse than the far left? Have you read some of the far left forums lately?
They're also calling for political violence against the "Obama regime". So which are worse? Limbaugh? Or the Limbaugh left?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:13 PM
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14. Several reasons
First off, I thought DU was far-left. Secondly, link? Thirdly, if anyone is saying that on teh left, now or during the Bush regime, it is marginal figures. This kind of speech if it happens, isn't going out across the national TV or radio. It's not the same thing at all.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:59 PM
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19. Not here, but there's a forum mostly of ex-DUers
We're not allowed to link to it, and I wouldn't even bother going there or pm'ing you with the link but over there, they are calling for violent revolution against the "Obama regime."
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:51 PM
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20. I suspect I know the ones you're talking about
Would I be right in thinking that they never got over the primary?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 04:48 AM
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23. Probably not the same then. For these folks, primaries are for bourgeoise fascists.
The only primary candidate they might get excited about is the corpse of Lenin.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 02:34 AM
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26. But, as I said...
...these are marginalised figures, too extreme even for DU.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:10 PM
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11. Their BS will pass
Eventually they will realize how stupid they look to the rest of the country. The best thing to do is just to keep ignoring them, they'll go away.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:14 PM
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15. old Roma saying
"One madman makes many madmen, and many madmen make madness". In other words, if you ignore them, they will gradually drag ever more people into their lunacy until, eventually, their derangement becomes common wisdom.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:12 PM
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12. Wow, a "holy" war to stop people from helping those less fortunate.
If they consider that holy, I don't want to see unholy...these people are insane.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:18 PM
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16. Yes, thy are
I think many of them have been for a long time. What else can you call such an insistent belief in things which are provably wrong? I don't mean stuff that reasonable people can disagree on like the nature or existence of God or whether the state should fund scientific research that is not obviously profitable. Those are reasonable disagreements and we could have a discussion about them. I'm talking about believing stuff which is provably, factually wrong like "evolution never happened" or "we found WMDs in Iraq". What else can you call that but insanity?
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 02:51 AM
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27. Liberals search for the truth and hold it's importance as a core
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 02:53 AM by EmeraldCityGrl
principle. Repukes (unlike true fiscal conservatives) pride themselves on lies and bullshit. They literally slap each other on the back and take pride

in "pulling one over" on the Liberals. I've come to the conclusion a lot of them have nothing to lose and are trying to the best of their ability to piss us off.

Most can't compete on the same intellectual level so, all they're left with is shocking and awing.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:12 PM
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13. dupe, delete please. nt
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 07:13 PM by krabigirl
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:32 PM
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17. And no doubt, they are aided and abetted
by their allies - the quisling dlc, blue dogs and other centrist/moderate fifth column agents.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:37 PM
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18. Not intentionally
Remember, I'm not talking about a conspiracy here; I'm talking about a generally understood aim, rarely spoken, of "get Obama out by any means necessary". Some of those on the right might not even be aware of what they're doing.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 01:29 AM
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21. I will send to my relatives
who keep sending me emails and links to videos w/power points that say Obama is Muslim
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:09 AM
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22. Feel free n/t
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:28 AM
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24. the childrens' crusade ? let's give them a thrashing and send them to bed early /nt
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:41 AM
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25. Excellent metaphor n/t
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