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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:34 AM Original message |
The white religious right is too stupid to understand they're the ones being cursed in Psalm 109. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but this is a classic |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Did you see the Rachel clip today? n/t |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It has to do with them because they believe these texts are literal, meant for this moment in time. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Precisely. Thank you. nt |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. I think intheflow is describing the biblical illiteracy... |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I agree misuse of scripture is an equal-opportunity employer. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. I've often made the same point to anti-Semitic Catholics (my faith), |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Jesus was talking about hippocrits like fundamentalist Christians throughout the New Testament but |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
83. Jesus was talking about... |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Its Bronze Age BS!!!!! |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Religions actually focus human violence, toward specific groups or people, traditionally. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. This does not matter, really |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You and I have apparently led parallel studying lives since '94! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Indeed we have then |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. It's ignorance, plain and simple. :( |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
67. count me as a third one then |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I believe Shaffer is right as well! Rachel's segment sent |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Extremely right wing\ reactionary religion |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Right you are, Nadin: "They mean exactly what Shaeffer told you." nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
45. This is what I like about Thom Hartmann.... he has studied, and KNOWS the bible, and how to |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
8. I will most gladly K&R this excellent post! |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Yeah, I figured this would be up your alley, Adsos! |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #65 |
96. Not only up my alley... |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
9. k 'n' r. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
10. thanks for the context - sounds like they are attacking themselves alright |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Beck is too busy wearing his hair-shirt... |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
87. Don't forget his shamwow bib that absorbs all those fake tears! |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
100. . |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
17. K and R |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. Like they are going to read that much. |
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optimal-tomato (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
20. This is why I can't stand religion. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. However, I think intheflow is pointing out that, in this case, the interpretations are invalid... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
75. 1+++ |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
21. Nicely done! These people might do well to read Jeremiah 5:21 |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. AMEN! |
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JackInGreen (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. Well ain't that |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
26. You rock. K+R |
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flakey_foont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. this PSALM 109 thing is new to me |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. It has to do with the theocracy movement, which intends to literally have "an army of Xian soldiers |
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flakey_foont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Thanks for the nice reply |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. ;-) |
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Duval (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. Not only recommended but thread sent |
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hypocrisyandlies (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
29. This palsm outlines exactly what is happening right now |
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hypocrisyandlies (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Whoops... |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
30. Cherry-picking is what wing nuts do |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Cherry picking is what all religious people do |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
31. Wait... you expect the American Taliban to actually *read* the Buy-Bull? |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. How right you are - and they are ignorant of their history too |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. Wow, what a sad story of Christian ignorance! |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
107. "You can't fix stupid" Brother Ron White |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. Nicely played! K&R |
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Tuvok Obama (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
39. WOW!!! |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
40. These are right-wing nut jobs, they're pretty stupid about the rest of the bible too |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. They are called the "Cursing Psalms", and are very powerful. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
103. Isn't cursing people one of the things Christians criticize voodoo and witch craft for? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. OTOH, you've never said a big FU to anyone? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. ME????? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
117. Ohhh, geeez...... talk about a knee jerk response. Are you aware we are talking about the PSALMS??? |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
43. Authoritarians lack sufficient attention span to read an entire Psalm in one sitting |
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kitkat65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. Thank you so much for this. Context is everything. |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. I often have to read a few translations before I can get a firm understanding |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
47. Verse 23 sounds like the republican party. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Why the "white" religious right? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Oh, you're seeing hordes of black/brown/Asian people |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. I think those hate groups are there, maintaining a "non-violent" facade, sticking together, recruiti |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Spot on! thanks. nt |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
52. Now I have something to send back to my crazy fundy family when they send over "the verse" |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
53. Masterful Analysis! |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
54. Psalm 109:20 |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. A couple of things, |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Please see my posts #4 and #15 to answer your questions. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. I remember the KKK and John Birchers using Christianity as their justification |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
95. Spot on! |
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jennied (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
59. K&R |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
60. Thank you. Very concise interpretation of a great Psalm. I think that |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. Thank you. Best DU post in ages. nt |
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Krashkopf (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
62. Sarah Palin is RIGHT "profile away" . . . |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
63. PRAISE JESUS! Someone who took time to read the psalm fully & proves it's what David was asking God |
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anachro1 (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
68. Like everything else they do |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
69. OT my favorite Psalm 51:10-11 |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
119. This cradle Lutheran sees those words, and the music of that part of the liturgy |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. I'm NOT a religious sort WHATSOEVER! |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
72. K&R |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
73. Actually, in the moral system of the Old Testament.... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. This is true, otherwise the Good News wouldn't be so good, New, different from what preceded it. |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Although Jesus was schooled from that earlier tradition. |
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prestonPjr21 (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Thats right! |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Thank you for a very pleasant and enlightening discussion. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. The stereotype of the Old Testament is that it's all fire and brimstone |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. I certainly don't deny that.... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 03:03 AM Response to Reply #90 |
109. Not really |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
91. That's totally untrue |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. That's for Israelites. |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. Evangelical Christian William Wilberforce's movement led to the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833. nt |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. The fact that the texts were written exclusively for Israelites |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Liberal religion exists, but it's a minority preference. |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
112. THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST MISREADINGS OF THE "OLD TESTAMENT' |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. Nice use of the silly "if I don't like it, it's out of context" line. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
77. "The white religious right is too stupid to understand" Enough said. |
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prestonPjr21 (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
78. That is 100% accurate... |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. AN IMPORTANT CORRECTION |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. That was my understanding too. |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. Actually, I'm very religious - an Orthodox Jew, in fact |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Psalm 109 in hebrew |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Thee word means "choirmaster" not leader, in this context |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
89. So in my interpretation, the RW is directly threatening the King David figure? |
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garthranzz (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
115. Yeah, they're threatening the King David figure and in fact cursing themselves |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
85. @intheflow |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
86. :) K&R |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
92. Why bring race in to it? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Because I never see people of color protesting showing up to Obama events with guns. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You mean like the black protestor in Arizona with the assault rifle. |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Interesting. |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Racism and prejudice are two different things. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Let me guess black people can't be racist? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. What part of "I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to every rule" don't you understand? n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Good for you. At least you are consistent. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
93. Context really IS everything, as usual the Freepers just don't get it. K, R, n/t |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
110. When I heard about this I did read the Psalm. |
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moonbatmax (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
121. CRUD!! Why didn't I rec this last night? |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
124. Kicking back up for, BRILLIANT EXEGESIS!1 n/t |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
125. David was referring to himself in this psalm. He does that alot. He |
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