The Conservative 'Prostitute' Who Stung ACORN

[tekisui]

Source: LA Times

Young conservative activist Hannah Giles speaks in Santa Barbara


Reporting from Santa Barbara - Hannah Giles was in the middle of her guerrilla warfare lecture this weekend at the young conservatives leadership conference when a man in the audience interrupted her.

"We love you!" he cried out. The crowd erupted in applause and whistles.

"Aw," Giles said into the microphone. "I love you guys too."

At age 20, Giles is a rock star of conservative activism. She shot onto the national scene in September after posing as a prostitute at ACORN offices around the country, where she secretly videotaped employees who appeared to give her advice on tax evasion, human smuggling and child prostitution.

Outrage over the recordings led Congress to cut federal funding for the community organizing group.

Giles credits the Young America's Foundation -- the group that put on the conference -- with inspiring much of her political action.

Two years ago, she said, she was just a laid-back surfer kid from Miami when a friend got her to attend a foundation event in Washington, D.C. That, she said, was where she converted to conservatism.

In her lecture Friday about how to take down liberal organizations and expose what she called media corruption, Giles sought to stir others to action. "Above all, attack, attack, attack," she said, quoting Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Never defend."

more: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-young-conservatives15-2009nov15,0,1837509.story

[Robb]

1. Daughters of privilege are no less unappealing than sons. nt

[Xipe Totec]

2. She posed as a prostitute?

Not much of a role stretch, is it.

[tekisui]

5. You said it.

[dsc]

7. gee sexist much

I understand being angry with her but it is nothing short of sexism to say it isn't a stretch for her to be a prostitute based on her dress.

[joshcryer]

11. Uh, I think it was a jab at her being a "whore" for the GOP.

[Xipe Totec]

29. You read it correctly

and thanks!

:hi:

[tekisui]

13. deleted dupe/

[tekisui]

15. I took the poster's comment to mean her relationship with the repukes

is very similar to being an actual prostitute. Kind of like she is whoring for the conservatives to get money and power.

[Darth_Kitten]

17. She DID pose as a prostitute.

She's a silly little spoiled twit not worthy of our time.

There, there, honey, lots of conservatives are patting you on the head, but they still think you're a stupid female. :)

[Xipe Totec]

28. Not her dress, her actions

but thank you for the knee jerk reaction.

[Lilyeye]

41. Umm it was clear that the poster wasn't speaking of her clothes.

[LTR]

19. I thought the opposite, actually

A bit too squeaky clean looking.

She looks more like a sorority girl than a hooker. I highly doubt the ACORN people really fell for this.

[Xipe Totec]

33. Judge he by her actions, not her looks

I agree, she does look squeaky clean.

But she allowed herself to be used as a tool.

Therein lies her corruption.

[BR_Parkway]

3. An interesting quote that she uses:

"All life is warfare," she quoted him as saying, "and it's the constant fight against the status quo that revitalizes society."

Isn't the core definition of conservatism protecting the status quo?

[SpiralHawk]

6. Stop making sense

We are discussing republicon 'family values' here, and making sense has no part to play.

[d_r]

9. kind of mind numbing isn't it

some of the youth think that being conservative means fighting against the system?

[CrownPrinceBandar]

22. More to say, they've been told that's what conservatism means......

being a beacon of piety in a world gone liberal, where integrity becomes an ejectible quality.

[Lilyeye]

42. Exactly. This is what makes me laugh at repukes when they start that anti status quo bullshit

and makes me shake my head at poor folks who support these assholes.

[Lilyeye]

43. Exactly. This is what makes me laugh at repukes when they start that anti status quo bullshit

and makes me shake my head at poor folks who support these assholes.

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

8. Also head of the TwitsRUs Santa Barbara chapter...

*sigh*

[Arkana]

10. So she's a young Phyllis Schlafly?

Well, I'm sure all that hatred bottled up inside her will eventually twist and mar her features so that those young conservatives will want nothing to do with her.

[blogslut]

12. What a little liar

Her father is Doug Giles - a well-known conservative minister, speaker and activist. She "credits" Young America's Foundation because that's where her daddy works:

http://www.nndb.com/people/280/000113938/
http://www.yaf.org/SpeakerDetails.aspx?id=277

Another deliberate attempt to paint Ms. Giles as "just some girl from Anytown".

[Hannah Bell]

23. 'attempt to paint Ms. Giles as "just some girl from aAnytown"'

there's a lot of that going around.

[blogslut]

27. Ha!

Too bad my quote contained a typo. :hi:

[the other one]

14. You mean "right-wing rascist whore"

right?

[11 Bravo]

16. Why is prostitute in parentheses in your thread title?

She did whatever she was told to do for money. Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

[tekisui]

18. Of course, you are right.

:)

[Feron]

20. I thought that this was a Vitter thread....

It doesn't take much in order to a conservative "celebrity".

[madrchsod]

21. i have more respect for whores...

than i do someone who masquerades as one.

never underestimate your enemy.....

[JI7]

34. SHE is the whore

not real sex workers.

[arcadian]

38. Definitely have more respect for real prostitutes than this woman.

Plus, if she is a conservative why hasn't she dyed her hair, hasn't she got the memo that all conservative spokeswomen are blond? Except for Milfy McMooseburgherfrau.

[Fleshdancer]

24. Ann Coulter must be shaking in her chardonnay right now

:rofl:

[sabrina 1]

25. Already a liar and a racist. Which makes her perfect

for the Rovian Young Republican faction of the Republican Party. They train them early, as they did Rove, Abramoff et al.

She and O'Keefe, already accused of racism during his college years, thought up a stunt (she claims she was inspired by a acorn she saw on the ground while taking a walk) to try to entrap ACORN workers, who in their eyes were most likely to respond to something 'black people would be familiar with, pimps and prostitutes.

Her father is a writer for Town Hall and I'm sure no one she knows ever mentioned anything to her about the decades-long Rightwing assault on ACORN because they help the poor and minorities to register to vote (and no, they were NEVER involved in voter fraud). ACORN has also been very active in making sure that people are not discriminated against when they buy homes because they are minorities.

One of the heroes of these fringe 'radical rightwing activists' once said that it was not a good thing when the masses get to vote.

O'Keefe's stunts, just like this one, always have a racial component to them. In this case, they concluded that black people and other minorities would naturally feel right at home with pimps and prostitutes.

Apples don't fall far from the tree and this one, Giles, is no exception. But when she is deposed in the lawsuit ACORN has filed against her, she won't be able to lie as freely as she has on Fox.

She's a perfect brownshirt ~ and I hope she pays a price for breaking the law and for her lies. And I hope ACORN wins both of lawsuits. I also hope that ACORN workers will sue these two, they definitely have cause, and that both California and Maryland prosecute them for the laws they violated.

[patrice]

26. 2 YEARS of political awareness and they're listening to her???

These people ARE fucking LOST!

[Beaverhausen]

45. Her father is a fairly well -known right wing activist. I think he has/ had a radio show

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/09/acorn_smasher_hannah_giles_dad.php

That being said, the rumpus has introduced us to Giles's father, Doug Giles. He's the senior pastor of Clash Church in Aventura, which "is working at the heart of Miami." From an initial glance of his website, you might get the idea that the church is one of those hip, young, cool churches that strives to be inclusive and leaves politics off the pulpit.

Well, a trip to its online store would prove you wrong. There you can buy Doug Giles-penned books such as, Raising Boys Feminists Will Hate (summary: If metrosexual pop culture, feminized public schools, and the effeminate branches of evanjellycalism lay their sissy hands on him, you can kiss his masculinity goodbye -- because they will morph him into a dandy) or A Time to Clash, a culture warmongering tome that promises Doug's take on everything from "radical homosexuals" and "stupid sluts" to "sexless wives" and "Rosie O'Donnell."

[Liberation Angel]

30. Isn't she guilty of committing fraud? Should she be prosecuted?

Seems to me that if she goes into a federally subsidized program and gives false info to try to get services (no matter that she is motivated by the desire to entrap the program) she is committing fraud and should be prosecuted for that.

She fraudulently misrepresented info to try to get something of value (video of value and illegal services) from a program which provides services using federal program funds.

Seems to me if her motive was to encourage illegal acts that she is guilty of soliciting for fraudulent purposes.

RICO?

Any lawyers or laypersons with an opinion on this?

[paulsby]

36. legal analysis doesn't fly

do i have to hark back to the legal classic "legally blonde" to explain this?

why not.

see: mens rea

first of all, your use of the word "entrap" is problematic.

second of all, she is not committing fraud, and furthermore, she cannot be prosecuted for theft, because there was no pecuniary benefit.

she did what a lot of reporters do during stings - lied to get people to admit to or engage in acts, in order to expose them.

it was a brilliant sting, and it worked.

if it had been pro-choice advocates stinging operation rescue people, it would be applauded here.

regardless of her politics or the fact that acorn has done a LOT of good, acorn screwed themselves.

[arcadian]

39. Wow! Are you a lawyer?

Leave it to you to defend this woman and call her brilliant... :eyes:

[paulsby]

40. leave it to you to create strawmen

i didn't call her brilliant. i said the sting was brilliant.

it was. it worked. and look at the effect it had.

sorry, but them's the facts.

even non-brilliant people can come up with a brilliant idea. history is full of that.

y'know inspriration vs. perspiration and all (see: einstein)

i notice you didn't address the legal analysis.

mebbe because you realize it's correct

hth

[Liberation Angel]

46. The benefit does not necessarily have to be pecuniary for it to be fraud...

to engage in fraud to get others to commit illegal acts which result in benefit to the perpetrator might qualify.

But are you a lawyer?

Why is the term entrapment problematic? It was not a legal sting where such tactics might or might not be legal or proper.

If I solicit a prostitute for sex with the intent of exposing him or her is that not an illegal act even if I have no intent to go through with the act?

If I solicit another to rob a bank so that I can get them in trouble am I not guilty of conspiracy?

I do not think it is as clear cut as you claim.

Also, the socalled brilliance o the "sting" is actually BS once you look carefully at the facts (which are not what has been asserted in the right wing media).

The mens rea to commit a crime goes to the intent to commit a fraud where the perpetrator stands to gain something of value from the person being defrauded: has there been gain or advantage for these perpetrators rom their videos and tapes?

I think this legal question needs to be lookeda t a little more carefully and not dismissed out of hand.

If a civilian solicits prolifers to bomb a planned parenthood center isn't that wrong and illegal if not done by law enforcement? Law enforcement as government operators have immunity --- but should civiians taking these laws into their on hands?

I do not really think so in this case.

[RooseveltTruman]

31. This ain't nothin' new

"In her lecture Friday about how to take down liberal organizations and expose what she called media corruption, Giles sought to stir others to action. "Above all, attack, attack, attack," she said, quoting Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Never defend.""

Is this the best she's got? This has pretty much been the Republican M.O. since at LEAST 1994; the only change here is it's coming from a smart, attractive 20-year-old female and not an ogre like Rove. This isn't news, it's more of the same from the party of the same.

[mzmolly]

32. . "Above all, attack, attack, attack," she said, quoting R. consultant Roger Stone. "Never defend."

Welp, let's see how that works out in court.

Breitbart's motto = "All life is warfare" which of course translates to "All is fair in love and war," I presume?

[heppcatt]

35. The workers caught on tape were at fault.

Those three or four videos showing poor advice and choices by the ACORN workers.
Shouldn't paint the entire organization. Yet the actions of a few Blackwater guards paint that entire organization in many liberal peoples eyes including mine.
Right wingers have found their boogyman in ACORN. Like we on the left found in Diebold.

What really is sad about this entire situation. Is that ACORN actually tried to help low income people.
I don't think they were trying to become billionaires off government contracts. It appears to be they just wanted to be advocates for the voiceless.
And their ability to do so was dramatically altered by the carelessness of a few workers and really the bias of some people. Who were taught what to think and not actually find out for themselves what ACORN does.

[sabrina 1]

44. Actually the tapes have been pretty much discredited.

Giles and O'Keefe lied blatantly eg, about two of the workers, and since they were heavily edited, it's now clear they are not what they appeared to be, except maybe one of them. And even that one is in question.

They claimed and stated emphatically, eg, that not one ACORN worker reported them. This turned out to be a lie after one of the workers seen in a tape, produced evidence that he had reported them. And the Philadelphia office produced a police report also, proving what liars they both are. They were thrown out out of the Philadelphia office. That tape should get as much media coverage when it is confiscated, as the rest of them have.

On a third tape, which they edited also, the ACORN worker knew they were pranksters and just played along with them, telling them her own outrageous story to top the one they told her. She claimed to have murdered her husband. They did NOT report that, instead believed her and went on Fox where they claimed ACORN was hiring murderers. Rove loved that one, but not one of them thought to check that story out. It took the police no time at all to prove that to be a lie.

Not to mention the fact that both of them broke the law in two states. Iow, their little prank has pretty much already been debunked and that is even without the discovery phase of the lawsuit where unedited tapes will be demanded and where they cannot lie about who funded them anymore.

It was pretty stunning that people so quickly jumped on this Rovian bandwagon considering the source. And the history of O'Keefe himself who was a proven racist and liar before any of this. All of which was easy to find with a little googling.

Mike Stark revealed some more about their prank a few weeks ago when he questioned them about whether or not they were even wearing the ridiculous Pimp/Prostitute outfits when they went to the ACORN offices. Seems that may have been a lie also. He asked for a confirmation that they had in fact, told the ACORN workers that O'Keefe was Congressional Candidate, rather than a pimp. They couldn't answer that question, they claimed, because of the lawsuit. If that's true, whatever is left of their 'story' falls apart completely.

It is this kind of rightwing 'journalism', started by Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, where no lie and no false accusation is off the table, that has brought this country to where it is today. The tolerance for it is amazing. This woman should be charged with a crime, and I hope she is.

As for ACORN, they are fighting back as they should. Let's see of the fair and balanced media who themselves did little fact checking before running this ridiculous stunt as a 'news', will now cover the truth of what happened and restore the reputations they helped to destroy.

[Lint Head]

37. There are a number of conservative organizations that need to

be taken down in this manner.

Just wait for the web and cell phone videos of her to appear.

She has to have a boy friend and I bet it's not platonic.