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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:21 PM
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Why all the shootings??
Here is my conspiracy theory:

It is the fault of the "tea-baggers". It is the fault of Congresspeople like Michele Bachman. It is the fault of anti-government voices on talk radio, like Limbaugh and Beck and Mark Levin.

There are people that listen to these folks that could interpret their words as a "go" sign to attack whatever or whomever they disagree with, and they have a lot of Republicans supporting them. They are only acting out what the tea baggers are hoping for. "Kill the bill", they shout. And someone goes out and kill something besides the bill.

This may be a totally off-the-wall theory but this is the way the tea-baggers and the rabid right think.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:25 PM
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1. "'Cause its more effective than "stabbings".
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 01:30 PM by MNDemNY
:shrug:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:25 PM
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2. Wars and unemployment
People go crazy.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:46 PM
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44. That and folks that
are losing their homes, can't pay utilities, have little, or no, food, etc. It's ugly out here.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:35 PM
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49. I agree
Murder and suicide rates go up during times of war and recession.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:26 PM
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3. guns.
otherwise, there'd be a rash of stabbings, hackings and clubbings.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:44 PM
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20. Disagree in part. Guns and ammo, yes. But in their absence, mostly peace and quiet.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:55 PM
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31. Bring on the knives!
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 01:56 PM by FredStembottom
Knives and clubs require quite a bit more work and the wounds must be "administered" up-close and individually.
It's the spraying of death from the attacker's La-Z-Boy (so to speak) that makes gun assaults a hundred times more lethal.

Flame away!
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:20 PM
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38. swords and maces
at two paces
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:27 PM
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4. I dunno - two cases doesn't make a trend
We will see if in the next few weeks we see more shootings
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:48 PM
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23. well-it's not exactly 2 events
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:55 PM
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30. Last year it would have been: why the trend of pretty white girls being kidnapped?
Why the sudden escalation in balloon related hoaxes?

Give it a week or two and we'll have moved on to the next outrage that is destroying this great country.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:27 PM
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5. All that ammunition stockpiled a year ago isn't going to shoot itself.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:30 PM
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8. good point.
does not bode well for the near term, does it?
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:31 PM
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9. Best answer yet. NT.
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:28 PM
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6. All the guns? nt.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:29 PM
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7. Don't know if they're responsible for these shootings, but I certainly think
that they whip these folks into a frenzy of fear and hatred and when people are afraid they feel helpless and strike out. :

I honestly believe they're poisoning our country, especially at a time when we need to support and help each other and work toward a resolution -- together.


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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:40 PM
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17. +1
yep
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:32 PM
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10. When you have a 'tool,' you use it.
God bless the NRA and it's fine American citizens!



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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:38 PM
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15. and when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:32 PM
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11. Obviously, people who shouldn't have guns have them.
Current gun laws are inadequate.

It's too easy to get a gun illegally.

The penalties for having a weapon without a permit are too lax.

The process for getting a permit is ineffective at keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

How many people must die before these issues are addressed? The right to bear arms is one thing, the right to life is much more important and should have precedent above all else.

You cannot bring someone back once they're dead.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:33 PM
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12. Yea, like Army Majors.
:crazy:
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:37 PM
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14. Good point. Very obviously there are some who shouldn't have guns,
regardless of what they do.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:51 PM
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At least he handled his gun safely and had the proper certification
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:05 PM
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37. This is true.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:35 PM
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13. War stress? Economic stress? We don't know yet. nt
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:42 PM
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19. SSRI drugs that are given out like candy.
That's why. Mark my words.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:44 PM
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21. What are SSRI drugs?
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:59 PM
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32. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors--class of anti-depressive drugs
They have been linked to many such shootings/massacres--Andrea Yates drowning her five children (Texas), the Virginia Tech shootings, the Amish school shootings, even the Georgia day trader mass murder.

Just sit tight and watch the facts come out. I'll bet my left arm this guy was on one of those drugs.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:08 PM
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35. Don't forget suicides, as well
Back when I was going to junior college there were a couple of local high school kids who were on SSRIs that killed themselves.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:12 PM
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36. Thanks - I had forgotten what those letters stand for...
But I sure do remember those terrible cases.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:39 PM
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16. Not off the wall at all, more likely, EXACTLY why hate radio and shitty GOP pols do what they do
They are hitting all the hot buttons and using all the code words, just like the anti-choice sites who are so 'appalled' when people pull the trigger on clinic workers.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:41 PM
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18. People are angry about seatbelt mandates
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:46 PM
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22. Bad economic times+Two wars + turbulent political situation at home = a large increase in stress
Some people can take it, others can't.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:48 PM
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24. I don't think the Ft Hood shooting had anything to do with your theory

I think that these people inspire violent thought and violent crimes are likely to come out of their dangerous hate group think that they spew.

However, Ft Hood does not correlate at all. And, neither does the the shooting today. The shooters are actually the type of people the tea-baggers would profile against.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:04 PM
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34. Well, one would certainly find plenty of "violent thoughts/crimes" within the military structure
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:50 PM
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25. Kind of difficult to say what the guy listened to.
I wonder how this guy was even allowed in with weapons in the first place. If he is dealing with soldiers with PSD and they are not allowed guns is there not some check point they need to go through just for security reasons alone?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:50 PM
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26. I agree, totally off-the-wall theory
totally
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:51 PM
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27. "Production for use." nt
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:51 PM
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28. Fear is easy, and getting easier.
It's really hard to do the grown-up thing and seek accord with "other" people, but it's easy to lash out. It's cathartic; it feels good to attack (at least in the short term.)

As long as we're coming from a market-based (Thomas Harris' "Child," Freud's "id"), lower-chakra sort of place, we'll wallow in this behavior and elect "leaders" who fuel the fires of fear.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:51 PM
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29. You forgot Alex "FEMA CAYMPS!" Jones n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:02 PM
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33. Obviously it's all Bush's fault
:nuke:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:26 PM
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39. I think it's a natural outgrowth of war overload. nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:31 PM
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40. Mass shooting go back to the 60's, right? I think is mentally ill
people who feel overwhelmed by what happens in their lives and they feel powerless to stop it. So they go outward and seek others to hurt.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:39 PM
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41. more than just off the wall -- more like off the planet
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 03:39 PM by onenote
First, its not as if mass shootings are some new phenomenon. Ever hear of Columbine. Pretty sure Bachman, the tea-baggers etc weren't involved. Or in dozens of other sad tragic events in recent years.

Second, to say that you have no basis for assuming that any of the people involved in any recent mass shootings listened to rw talk radio or bachman or whomever is an understatement.

Yes its a conspiracy theory, but the only conspirators are you and your imagination.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:44 PM
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43. And I did call it a conspiracy theory..
from the beginning.

However, when you have people talking about the overthrow of the government, taking guns to events where the President is talking, inviting people to rampage the Capitol Building, and generating hate and distrust of the government, it is difficult or stupid to ignore.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:47 PM
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45. Perception distorted by mass media hysteria..
according to FBI statistics shootings and violent crime are trending downward. 500 million americans were NOT shot today, not a great headline to make you watch the news.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:49 PM
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46. But these are not normal, everyday events.
These are not ordinary times, no matter how distorted by the media. Right?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 03:53 PM
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47. Right, which is why they make news. the person who shot themselves up the street
is not news. over 50% of gun death is suicide. News is about drama and shock and awe. Plane crashes and attention grabbing stuff. Not about the person with clinical depression who kills themselves because they can not afford a 30 day inpatient stay.
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