Per ABCnews: shooter is Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

[Dreamer Tatum]

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

[bluestateguy]

1. This just got a lot more interesting...

nt

[cali]

4. It just got a lot more distressing. The last thing we need is more

Islamaphobia.

[Warpy]

43. Not to me.

Ft. Hood has been targeted by impotent wet dreamers who have been arrested.

I just vaguely remember the story from some years ago.

The only surprise is that the guy is military.

[Thrill]

2. Just what the wackos wanted

An Arab sounding soldier. Fox seems happy now

[slampoet]

3. The shooter is BRASS?

[kestrel91316]

6. Soon to be HANGED brass.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. He's already dead.

Was shot by a civilian police officer.

[kestrel91316]

37. That's a shame. I would have like a peek at his thoughts before seeing

him summarily executed.

[arcadian]

73. You just can't get enough can you?

Sickening...

[Ruby the Liberal]

75. You don't want to know what he was thinking or his motivations?

I know I do. This is a horrific crime.

[Zywiec]

77. The civilian police officer was also killed today.

Hopefully that will make you feel much better.

:crazy:

[kestrel91316]

96. The "summarily executed" part was not sarcasm. It is what people

like this need to be subjected to. I have NO complaint about his being shot.

[uppityperson]

100. People mentally ill from what they experienced in military who kill others

should be "summarily executed"? wow. Kestrel, shame on you. Maybe you had no clue.

[uppityperson]

99. psychiatrist doing traumatic stress counseling, not wanting to go to Iraq.

See if you can figure out any reasons for him going insane.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. O-4 is hardly brass

[raw oysters]

17. Tell that to a 2nd Lt.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

Field Grade... you join the brass at O-5 and just as an aside

A butterbar is a Junior officer...majors still say yes sir no sir three bags full

[tabasco]

38. Says who? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. You tell me an O-4 makes the decisions?

As in he or less likely she writes those operational plans? That is brass... Colonels are at times involved in that and Lt. Colonels are at times aides to those who write those plans.

Majors are still in the place where they carry them out.

[raw oysters]

54. That's right. No officer below Bird Colonel is allowed to make decisions.

I keep forgetting that.

[Sukie]

59. You all should be aware that an O-4 can have a Command,

which means they make a heck of alot of decisions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. OF course but following Operational Plans and making decisions

based on those operational plans does not mean writing them.

And that is my point.

Now some officers and enlisted violate standing orders under circumstances, and WE teach our soldiers to think on their feet. When that happens and it works, they are heroes... when it does not.... well then...

[raw oysters]

66. Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic.

Because I know nothing about the military, I only served in it.
:eyes:

[Sukie]

55. A Major is not considered a junior officer though.

And usually, by the time you make Major, you have invested over 10 years into service are a career soldier.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Why I said FIELD GRADE

in fact, MID GRADE...

[Zywiec]

57. A major is a field grade officer n/t

[sarge43]

61. Sorry but O-5 and O-6's eat their share of shit sandwiches; the bread is just better. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Fully agreed

:-)

I got the bad quality, moldy bread if you get me drift...

They just get the fresh bread...

You start really getting the good stuff in the shit sandwiches at the one star level... a few birds.

[sarge43]

102. Yup

When I made E-7, "Wow, I can have an open face sandwich now."

[jonnyblitz]

78. I was in the military as enlisted and a Major is high ranking to me.

especially to be doing something like this. I would assume a young enlisted guy would be more apt to snap. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. People snap has nothing to do with rank

and as an E-1 you will salute a trash can... if ordered to do so... trust me I know.

[sarge43]

32. Or any enlisted. n/t

[d_b]

36. qft

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. 39yo Major? MAJOR?

I can't wait to hear the back story on this one.

[sarge43]

40. Nothing odd about that.

Could have joined in his late 20's. Could have been a mustang. Could have been a MD. Could have been in a slo mo MOS. Could have been passed over.

Insufficient data.

(typo)

[raw oysters]

52. I think he meant it's very strange that a Major and/or a man of that age could have done

what he appears to have. Not so much a comment on age vs. rank. But I might be wrong about that in which case I agree with your explanation.

[sarge43]

68. Point taken

Statistically, yes not as likely, but certainly not unknown or even that rare.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Could be Guard too

those are slower to go up the food chain.

:hi:

[Ruby the Liberal]

79. Yes - thank you for restating that for me.

The age + responsibility factor just surprises me.

[lanlady]

91. my neighbor is 51 and an Army Major

Active duty, not retired. Not sure who he pissed off during his career...

[Zywiec]

93. Maybe he was prior service enlisted before becoming an officer?

Of course I don't want to spoil any neighborhood gossip...

[Obamanaut]

14. Say what? BRASS is made up of people too, and sometimes

people are flawed. BRASS is not exempt.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. His name could be John Smith

What would be the difference? Nothing.

[Thrill]

8. Difference is everything for the Fox News Nuts

.

[Ruby the Liberal]

12. They will focus on his name. I am more concerned that he was

a career officer.

[Obamanaut]

21. As in career enlisted men (or even non career) can be expected

to exhibit bizarre behavior, but not career officers?

Classist point of view.

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. I don't think mass murder of your own peers is merely "bizarre behavior"

YMMV

[Obamanaut]

35. Kinda glossed over the classism question though. It looks like

surprise that someone other than an enlisted man can perform in such a bizarre manner.

Officers are people too, subject to the same failings as are all people.

[Ruby the Liberal]

44. If you are going to shoehorn me, call me ageist, not classist.

While the combination surprises me, it is the age factor that got my initial intention.

But feel free to randomly put me in whatever box you like.

[Obamanaut]

98. My bad. You're right. I must have missed the age reference in

the post I was responding to.

Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-05-09 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. They will focus on his name. I am more concerned that he was
a career officer.

Sorry.

[cali]

13. The difference is huge. There are many people who will exploit this.

There is the danger of people attacking Muslims. And there are political ramifications.

[mmonk]

22. In a nation like ours under current times, it makes a big difference.

Innocent people may be attacked soon for the name alone.

[raw oysters]

49. Maybe he should have considered that before offing a dozen soldiers.

I mean, his name is his name...some people here seem to be suggesting it shouldn't be made public - for some bizarre reason. Evidently HE was satisfied with it.
:eyes:

[mmonk]

105. Looking at mass shooters of recent past, they are usually too depressed

or suffering from a pyschosis or rage of some sort with no thoughts beyond what they are currently engaged in (that is the majority whether this incident or Columbine or Va Tech or at the UU Church in Tenneesee). If you jump to conclusions before knowing facts as to motive, you set yourself up on the possibility of being wrong. If he did it because of being Religion related, we will find out. However, it is not transferable to others on the basis of religion unless being Christian is tied to being other mass shootings by Christians. Any talk of justification of murder of the innocent as a result of this being on the perpetrator of this crime is bigotry, not reason.

[aquart]

31. Not. True.

[stranger81]

11. This is going to get ugly, folks. [n/t]

[Posteritatis]

51. I'm pretty sure it got ugly a few dozen gunshot wounds ago. (nt)

[DearAbby]

15. shit

goosebumps thinking about what the whackos are gonna do.

[Bobbie Jo]

16. Geeze...here we go. nt

[ShortnFiery]

18. Oh brother, I fear for my friends of Arabic ancestry. The people I know are

wonderful souls and don't have a violent bone in their bodies.

I FEAR that the right wing nut-bags are going to go forth with more hate crimes. :cry:

[Daphne08]

53. My fear as well... n/t

[graywarrior]

19. Faux must be orgasmic.

[ShortnFiery]

26. For all of Tweety's faults, he's not taking the bait of the man's last name "sounding Arab"

But Cliff Van Zant is on a tear. ASSHOLE!

[ShortnFiery]

27. For all of Tweety's faults, he's not taking the bait of the man's last name "sounding Arab"

But Clint Van Zant is on a tear. ASSHOLE!

[Neecy]

39. Tweety is being pretty responsible about this

[Zomby Woof]

20. I expect a backlash

No thanks to reporters such as the one invoked here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6936502

[Chemisse]

30. I expect a quick "I told you so" from the Dick

This is the last thing we need.

[gmoney]

23. this didn't take long: Jihadwatch...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/ft-hood-shooter-maj-malik-nadal-hassan.html

[Sebastian Doyle]

33. Nice site (insert sarcsam tag here)

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Any time anonymous registration is involved, there's a cowardly agenda behind it.

[ShortnFiery]

34. They're as evil because they encourage hate crimes against Muslims.

Shame on them. :(

[redqueen]

24. What about the other ones?

Have they released the other shooters' names yet?

[Dennis Donovan]

25. According the the CNN.com story:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
<snip>
Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.
</snip>

I wonder if he was on base for this reason?:shrug:

[uppityperson]

101. Yes, he was a psychiatrist working with them, soon to ship out to Iraq

[MNDemNY]

29. DADT soon to be expanded to Muslims.

[Beacho]

41. Oh fuck

Please let this be a case of Ol Jody doing his thing

[Xenotime]

42. I hope repugs don't cause a backlash on muslims..

More people go nuts than just this one guy.

[TornadoTN]

48. This is their dream scenario, sad to say

They can run all day with the fact that this guy had an "arabic sounding name" and ratchet up their fear & propaganda campaign. They don't need facts or investigation - it's already started.

[krabigirl]

89. Yep, like they always do. Fuck Republicans.

If it wasn't for these endless wars, maybe the Major wouldn't have snapped? Maybe he had PTSD!

[quiet.american]

46. Uh-oh. nt

[Jennicut]

47. Shep would not even say his name yet and is actually handling this well

The only one on Faux news who would.

[HipChick]

50. He's from Virginia, and later converted

[TornadoTN]

56. Any word on the other suspects yet?

I haven't seen anything yet.

[lildreamer316]

60. So he converted TO Islam, correct?

Sorry, am listening but have not heard about this yet.

[Gold Metal Flake]

58. This is Obama's 9/11

Has that phrase hit the the screen yet?

[regnaD kciN]

71. "Obama's 9/11" for certain...

...with the key difference of, oh, around 2,968 dead.

:eyes:

[FVZA_Colonel]

74. That won't stop Fox and the Freepers.

Only this time they won't rally behind the president.

[SpiralHawk]

62. doubleplusungood

or maybe tripleplusungood

[nonconformist]

63. MSNBC is reporting that Maj Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq

Because of a family connection there or something.

[regnaD kciN]

69. What were the other two suspects upset about?

:shrug:

[raw oysters]

72. Well, it looks like he got himself out of it.

:shrug:

[Hansel]

82. So he couldn't just shoot himself in the head?

He has almost guaranteed that life will become even more hellish for his family and fellow Iraqis in this country unless Obama is able to nip this in the bud starting now. It's time to roll out one of his powerful speeches. He needs to do a full court press with his upper brass and Gates to settle this thing down starting yesterday.

[TwilightGardener]

83. He probably just could have resigned his commission. But I guess

that wouldn't make as much of a statement.

[fishwax]

94. why do you say "fellow Iraqis"?

Has there some report about his ancestry or background that indicates he's iraqi?

[arcadian]

76. FoxNews will be calling for ever Arab to be rounded up.

I guarantee that.

[Thothmes]

97. Sort like we did to the Japanese Americans in 1942

[spanone]

80. it's all speculation on the cable nooooze, all speculation

[Ruby the Liberal]

81. Big Ed just reported AP is saying Hasan was an Army Mental Health Professional.

[charlie]

84. Link

Officials say a shooting suspect at Fort Hood has been identified as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, who they say was an Army mental health professional.

A law enforcement official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

A defense official speaking on condition of anonymity says Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist.

It was not known whether he was treating people at the base...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6705820.html

[Ruby the Liberal]

85. Thanks for the link

[charlie]

86. CBS says he's from Bethesda, Maryland

...A source tells CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper that Hasan is a licensed psychiatrist in Bethesda, Md. He is a drug and rehab specialist who got his Virginia psychiatry license July 12, 2005...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5540862.shtml

[Ruby the Liberal]

87. That would explain a fast track to Major.

[tabatha]

92. He was promoted to Major in May.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. An officer terrorist? Perhaps we should invade West Point.

[JackRiddler]

95. What happened to multiple shooters?

[izzybeans]

103. And the eyewitness reports claiming the shootings took place in multiple locations?

[TorchTheWitch]

104. Apparently there weren't mulitiple shooters

One lone nut who is alive and in stable condition at the hospital and has been surrounded by military investigators since he was brought in and apparently is still refusing to answer questions. The female civilian officer who shot him isn't dead either and after surgery is in stable condition.

Lots of misinformation in this case, but I suppose that in such a huge event with so many dead and wounded that would happen.