I have my opinions, you have yours. They have theirs. We have ours.
It's been tense around here of late.
But tension is what the Founders intended. If they wanted this shit to work seamlessly, we'd have no separation of powers/three branches of government/free speech/voting rights/printing presses/TVs/internet...and it'd be a whole lot easier that way.
Thank God/Yahweh/Allah/Buddha/Vishnu/The FSM/etc. it isn't like that.
Me raging against you, you raging against them, them raging against us, us raging against those guys, and all of us motherfucking each other with bull-throated ferocity...
...maybe it wasn't what DU was originally intended to be, but it surely is what it is today.
15. I would be able to handle the tension more if it didn't seem so obviously manufactured.
You have people who---without naming names---are very obviously shilling, name-calling, and automatically unreccing every healthcare story on behalf of the healthcare industry.
I respect all shades of liberalism, but how does being pro-insurance company in the healthcare debate fit into the Democratic platform exactly.
What we're seeing is not genuine tension and disagreement. We're seeing people who have an agenda to derail any serious debate on healthcare, or on some of President Obama's more pro-corporate stances---usually by vile name calling, and other typically RW tactics.
Where's the "free speech" about the privately run Democratic Underground? Repubs can't post here, and rightfully so.
When my "free speech" gets unrecced by 30 paid bloggers whose job it is to unrec and derail every healthcare thread, that's not exactly free speech is it? Do you realize you're taking the same stance as those who say corporate funded elections = "free speech"?
49. Plenty of Republicans have Dem ideas. Why can't they post here?
Because their constant trolling and name calling is disruptive to progressive debate?
That's not exactly what's happening now?
Put your money where your mouth is, and come out for the right of Republicans to come on this board and join in on the debate. Why, all we'd need is our coping, coaxing, and convincing talents to stave them off!
51. I'm familiar with your work--not calling you a troll. A DLC troll enabler sure, but not a troll.
Maybe when Democratic Underground was being formed, someone should've come up with a plan for dealing with those inside the Democratic Party that want to turn the party Republican from the inside. Because the DLC is not a shade of any kind of a Democratic hue, but runs counter to most of the Democratic platform.
So what's next, should we accept that Joe Lieberman is a Democrat with a few conservative leanings, since he caucuses with Democrats? What happens when this site turns into Joe Lieberman Underground and runs off all the real progressives?
59. Yeah, I don't get it b/c I'm not cheering on the trolls who are derailing serious debate online.
I think it sucks, and I think they're doing a very effective job of derailing arguments, sewing discord, and causing a profound lack of distrust in the blogosphere in general--which was once our most effective organizing tool.
So forgive me if I'm not thrilled about being "bright-sided" about the new tone that DU has taken on since the healthcare debate revved up in July. The unreccing crew started knocking every good thread about healthcare down or off the greatest page, Dennis Kucinich was very distastefully attacked along with Single Payer, Rovian twists of logic have been used to brand defenders of basic progressive tenets, and serious conversations are being knocked way down the screen by the paid shit-flingers.
I think it sucks, and it's high time somebody did something about it.
17. It's a ridiculous system guaranteed to accomplish nothing
There, I said it. Checks and balances my ass. Give me a good parliamentary system any time. At least stuff gets done and if you don't like the results, you get to kick the whole lot out at the next election.
Some of us have massive "hot-button" issues. Gay marriage (civil rights), abortion, health care, etc... and we can sometimes get rather "rabid" in defending our positions. We are obviously all passionate people who feel very strongly about our issues or... well, we wouldn't be here would we? Mine is choice. I admittedly see (and type) red when I see people on DU who are anti-choice and/or defend anti-choice positions. And when someone on DU says abortion = eugenics or murder of "baby killin'"... :mad: :banghead: :nuke:
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