So what state has voters that will uphold a same sex marriage law

[Motown_Johnny]

and why don't we try to get something on the ballot next time around just so SOMEBODY passes a law that is supported by a majority of voters?


That way the next state to vote on the issue does not need to be the first one to uphold a law.



We need to stop batting .000 !

[Craftsman]

1. None

[cali]

8. Wrong. The majority of Vermonters support marriage equality

There will be no punishment of the legislators that voted for it- and voted to overturn the gov's veto.

[FLAprogressive]

2. MA and VT, maybe.

[pipi_k]

14. I'm not so sure about MA

even though gay marriage has been legal here for a number of years and nobody's been damaged by it, the sky hasn't fallen, and the state hasn't caught fire and burned to a crisp in the pits of Hell.

Unfortunately, I think there are still enough people here who would, if given the chance, vote against it and end up changing the law.

Sad. Very sad.

:(

[napi21]

3. I think the results of SSM voter approval would be more

positive if it were held in a Prez election year. The media is talking about the low voter turnout yesterday & I just read a report on the election results of the Atlanta Mayoral race. Voting here was EXTREMELY LOW...only 20%! The voters who turn out in off years elections are traditionally seniors and those who are energized by some idiological ballot issue. Those two groups are NOT GBLT friendly!

[Tesha]

9. Low turn-out WASN'T an issue in Maine; turn-out was high.

It was just all the wrong people.

Tesha

[ddeclue]

17. Actually the RW uses wedge issues to push wing nuts emotional buttons to drive them out to vote in

elections like this.

[napi21]

18. Absolutely! That's what I meant when I said only seniors &

those with an idiologial issue bother to vote in off-year elections! There aren't enough moderates to offset their votes!

[dysfunctional press]

4. if a lot of gay peiople moved to wyoming or north dakota...

they could probably eventually get it done in one of them.

[The Straight Story]

5. Been tried in 31 so far (nt)

[gatorboy]

6. Howzabout we just skip the voting thing.

And go straight to the Supreme Court. You realize how far behind we would be on on other civil rights still if we had put it to a popular vote?

[Iggo]

7. All.

[Motown_Johnny]

20. ??? Really????Then why can't we win an election???

[TommyO]

10. We need to stop thinking that it's OK to vote on the civil rights of any group of people.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. I always thought it would be either CA or MA or NY. I just don't like the idea that civil rights

are up to voters! We need the courts to rule that these laws are unconstitutional.

[lumberjack_jeff]

12. Equal protection shouldn't be subject to anyone's approval. n/t

[haele]

13. It's a mixture of "off years" and big money social-engineering institutions that call themselves

churches that cause the most grief. (California's Prop 8 was the off-year exception) Before the bought media blitz gets going, the average state polls just above 50/50 in favor of same gender adult marriage, with more states swinging towards full acceptance of it than the ones that are primarily against it.
The media blitzes, outside money, and the cowing of parishioners is what makes a change - too many people thinking "well, if my pastor is against it" - and too many pastors are either too lazy to think about actual local implications to families or are schills that are too greedy for praise and support from their national leadership to not make a hate or fear-filled sermon and hand out the fliers.
It's social engineering from the top of most of these so-called "religious" institutions; the political arm of these institutions that does not care about the original premise of gathering together for good works, comforting the flock, and other acts to bring about community well-being - but about the fund-raising and the outward trappings of local power - and crowd control. It feels good to them to gather together their parishes and create a "army of God" that will show the power of their translation of the Bible to those other pagans, heretics, apostates, and unbelievers that either go to the other places of worship or are secular humanists and atheists.

It's all a game to those in charge - they believe in a God that takes sides and rewards those who "pray harder". Their hearts are no longer in their calling, or they wouldn't be advocating so strongly on the social issues that get less mention in their bibles than, say, helping the poor, under-employed, and uneducated, and otherwise building healthy communities and a healthy world. Oh, and very little against coveting thy neighbors possessions or wishing harm on your neighbor because you're jealous or feel "dis-respected". Those two rules seem to be bigger no-no's than personal consensual actions, yet those are the ones that are ignored with many of these guys.

Haele

[tonysam]

15. None

and probably never in this country. Younger people tend to be liberal on this issue, but after they have kids and more of them become religious, it's not likely they will remain so.

[MineralMan]

16. People's rights should never be subject to an election.

We need a SCOTUS decision to that effect.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

19. court challenges will overrule referenda.

Gay marriage will be legal in all states and DC eventually due to the Full Faith and Credit Clause, and 14th Amendment equal protection and due process.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. eventually...... that is the problem.

[tnlefty]

23. Perhaps you could help me to understand this, as I haven't been

able to for over a decade. I know that women didn't have the right to vote, I understand Jim Crow, etc., but what I've never been able to understand is:

We have the Constitution and The Bill of Rights, so how do we have two-tiered rights for citizens of this country? I've never been able to completely understand this, and I sure don't understand why this is the situation for GLBT citizens today. I suppose if I could understand the premise then my head wouldn't damned near explode every time that I think about it.

I suppose that I'm just stuck in thinking that a citizen of this country is a citizen of this country and as such everyone has the same rights, or should have anyway.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. A state without Catholics

[Johonny]

24. perhaps California

They are trying to get a prop on the ballot to overturn the overturn to the overturn... The general thought is the poll numbers have actually been trending for gay marriage. While it's not in the majority of the voting public yet. The trends suggest eventually conservatives are going to dislike the idea of civil rights being allowed to be put for popular vote.

[Orsino]

25. What courts will judge the haters' case on merits?

The clear unconstitutionality of such measures needs test cases.