Poll: How satisfied are you with the House health bill?

[Alhena]

Poll question: Poll: How satisfied are you with the House health bill?

I would personally be in the "serious misgivings" camp, especially since it will only be watered down further from here. This was supposed to be the progressive starting point for negotiations, and we've already got major concessions to corporate and conservative interests in it.

[DefenseLawyer]

1. Since it is totally what I expected

I can't say that I am feeling much of anything about it. It's all a game.

[chimpymustgo]

4. Is IS all a game. But I let myself be fooled into thinking they would do a little something for us.

Hope, change = bullshit.

[Alhena]

5. What specifically in the bill angers you?

I admit I don't know the details- all I know is that we've already caved to the Blue Dogs and this bill was supposed to be the progressive starting point. It's just common sense that Evan Bayh and Co will move it well rightward from here.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. i'm opposed to the trillion dollars a decade that will go to subsidizing private insurance companies

plus I'm opposed to the legal mandate that forces people to buy a product from the private insurance companies, plus I'm pissed that there is nothing in the bill that will contain costs.

Between the mandates and the public tax expenditures the private insurance industry will probably be pulling in somewhere around a couple of trillion dollars a decade thanks to this bill.

Plus, the drug manufacturers got to keep reaming us by charging us way more than they charge anyone else in the world, and they still get protection from people importing cheaper drugs from Mexico and Canada.

Basically, this bill is a bonanza for the health care industrial complex, and we get to pay for it, both through private unfunded mandates and through taxes.

bush could have never gotten away with passing this bill. It took Obama to get the industry what they wanted.

[chimpymustgo]

20. +1.

[cdsilv]

2. Haven't seen it yet - hasn't been posted online.

Supposedly what people are posting is old...

[quiet.american]

16. Links to hot off the press summary, and snips at a thread I started:

Summary:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AHCAA-TOPLINE-102909.pdf


Snips:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6883402&mesg_id=6883402

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. Pelosi wanted more, but it was clear that she didn't have the votes for it.

We could, theoretically, pull a Tom DeLay and purge the Blue Dogs from the party, but that would likely yield the same result and wind up with absolutely nothing.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. This bill is like the first act of sex between two virgins

There is something to be happy about but a lot that will be done better the next time.

[Lars39]

8. I would have characterized it as resulting from a Swinger's Club soire,

but I'm feeling pretty cynical right now.

[Selatius]

7. So....I'm guessing all of you have read ALL 2,000 PAGES before voting in this poll???

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. Well... no. But I heard lots of duers are pissed, and I'm sure THEY all read it. nt

Oh, NT except for....

:sarcasm:

[robinlynne]

21. They removeed the possibility of states having single payer medical care even though it PASSED

in committee by a two-thirds majority!!
That alone will make it worse than what we have now, They made statewide single payer illegal.
That's enough for me to know what I think.

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. Dennis Kucinich's Take (I agree with him)

He posted this at Kos:

We compromised on single payer by backing a public option, and now we are being asked to compromise the public option with negotiated rates. In conference, we will likely be asked to compromise negotiated rates with a trigger. In each and every step of the health care debate, the insurance companies have won. If they get hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxpayer subsidies, they get to raise their premiums, and increase their co pays and deductibles, while the public is forced to pay for private insurance, then the insurance companies win big.

If this is the best we can do, then it is time to ask ourselves whether the two-party system is truly capable of representing the American people or whether the system has been so compromised by special interests that we can’t even protect the health of our own people. This is a moment of truth for the Democratic Party. Will we stand for the people or the insurance companies?

[Alhena]

12. Interesting that Kucinich thinks Snowe's trigger is the end game for all this ...

amazing that an idea that only one Congressional member out of 535 is excited about is the likely end result of all this because she is the only one whose vote matters.

Why don't we just make Snowe empress and be done with it?

[joeycola]

13. we could have had a REAL debate if the WH had not initally kicked single

payer under the table.

[chimpymustgo]

24. "If this is the best we can do..."

"If this is the best we can do, then it is time to ask ourselves whether the two-party system is truly capable of representing the American people or whether the system has been so compromised by special interests that we can’t even protect the health of our own people."

[4dsc]

11. This healthcare bill is a JOKE!!!

Its not even worth spending any time complaining about this bad bill.. It sucks and is not good for most Americans..

[laconicsax]

15. What's "ourtrage"

Is it similar to outrage?

[Alhena]

17. Wow- you must feel pretty clever to have caught a spelling error

I'm gonna leave it as is in testament to your truly spectacular proofreading skills.

When you go home from work today and the wife asks how your day was you can say "fantastic- I caught a spelling error on the internet."

[laconicsax]

25. It was for your benefit.

There's an editing window on all posts--you could have edited your post to correct the error and I would have self-deleted my comment. Instead you chose to get pissy about it. Not only do you seem to not proofread before posting, but you take pride in it. How dare anyone point out a typo on a text-based message board. It's not like these things make any sort of difference.

BTW: You assume too much, namely that I post from work and that I have a wife. It's usually best not to assume things without evidence.

[earth mom]

18. I'm furious that they screwed us over-but not surprised. nt

[flaminbats]

19. ohhh why don't get your hands too dirty..!!!!!!

:nopity:

This bill isn't everything I wanted...but neither were Medicare and Medicaid. Kennedy-Kassabaum is nothing compared to this excellent legislation..but it allowed me to cling on to what I still have!

Democrats need to work with conservative Democrats and even moderate Republicans, if it will reduce discrimination against taxpayers with pre-existing conditions and increase the coverage available to the uninsured. Sorry..nothing is perfect, but even if it was..both neocons and self-righteous Greens would be moaning and groaning and crying like spoiled brats! :cry:

After eight sorry years of Bush in power and more than a decade of Republicans controlling Congress I think this is great. Yes this legislation needs improvements, but voting Republican is not an answer. The battle only begins after this bill passes, but unlike Lieberman and other uppity backstabbers, I hope it does! :woohoo:

[rucky]

22. I can't get straight facts about what's on/not on it. n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

23. I wanted to hear "Fuck that, we are doing medicare for all"

because they are the fucking majority and yet they are unwilling to bulldoze the worthless ass hole pukes!