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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:49 PM
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Beware The Reverse Brain Drain To India And China
Editor’s note: This is a guest post by Vivek Wadhwa, an entrepreneur turned academic. He is a Visiting Scholar at UC-Berkeley, Senior Research Associate at Harvard Law School and Executive in Residence at Duke University. Follow him on Twitter at @vwadhwa.

I spent Columbus Day in Sunnyvale, fittingly, meeting with a roomful of new arrivals. Well, relatively new. They were Indians living in Silicon Valley. The event was organized by the Think India Foundation, a think-tank that seeks to solve problems which Indians face. When introducing the topic of skilled immigration, the discussion moderator, Sand Hill Group founder M.R. Rangaswami asked the obvious question. How many planned to return to India? I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands.

Even Rangaswami was taken back. He lived in a different Silicon Valley, from a time when Indians flocked to the U.S. and rapidly populated the programming (and later executive) ranks of the top software companies in California. But the generational difference between older Indians who have made it in the Valley and the younger group in the room was striking. The present reality is this. Large numbers of the Valley’s top young guns (and some older bulls, as well) are seeing opportunities in other countries and are returning home. It isn’t just the Indians. Ask any VC who does business in China, and they’ll tell you about the tens of thousands who have already returned to cities like Shanghai and Beijing. The VC’s are following the talent. And this is bringing a new vitality to R&D in China and India.

Why would such talented people voluntarily leave Silicon Valley, a place that remains the hottest hotbed of technology innovation on Earth? Or to leave other promising locales such as New York City, Boston and the Research Triangle area of North Carolina? My team of researchers at Duke, Harvard and Berkeley polled 1203 returnees to India and China during the second half of 2008 to find answers to exactly this question. What we found should concern even the most boisterous Silicon Valley boosters.

We learned that these workers returned in their prime: the average age of the Indian returnees was 30 and the Chinese was 33. They were really well educated: 51% of the Chinese held masters degrees and 41% had PhDs. Among Indians, 66% held a masters and 12% had PhDs. These degrees were mostly in management, technology, and science. Clearly these returnees are in the U.S. population’s educational top tier—precisely the kind of people who can make the greatest contribution to an economy’s innovation and growth. And it isn’t just new immigrants who are returning home, we learned. Some 27% of the Indians and 34% of the Chinese had permanent resident status or were U.S. citizens. That’s right—it’s not just about green cards.

What propelled them to return home? Some 84% of the Chinese and 69% of the Indians cited professional opportunities. And while they make less money in absolute terms at home, most said their salaries brought a “better quality of life” than what they had in the U.S. (There was also some reverse culture shock—complaints about congestion in India, say, and pollution in China.) When it came to social factors, 67% of the Chinese and 80% of the Indians cited better “family values” at home. Ability to care for aging parents was also cited, and this may be a hidden visa factor: it’s much harder to bring parents and other family members over to the U.S. than in the past. For the vast majority of returnees, a longing for family and friends was also a crucial element.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:51 PM
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1. Don't worry. Corporate influence will change all that too.
:)
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:53 PM
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2. See ya.
Plenty of brains here in the US.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:40 PM
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9. lol n/t
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:59 PM
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3. They're just following the jobs that have drained over there throughout the years.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:10 PM
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12. Ding! Ding!
We have our winner.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:25 PM
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4. "...cited better 'family values' at home"
The U.S. is just too liberal for these clowns. LOL
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:38 PM
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5. It's not just the brain drain
The anti-immigration sentiment promoted by Bushco are a major turn-off to young people, not to mention the hassle at airports. It's not worth it if there are other options.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:32 PM
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6. I know I went home after I got my degrees ... to fucking Texas! For those of us that have nowhere
to go, I really don't give a damn.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:35 PM
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8. This OP is nuts: Ph.D is NOT recruited heavily. There are plenty of homegrown PhDs
And, except for a foreigner using the degree as leverage there is no advantage to wasting the time, money and effort. Wait, for Americans, there is no future at all. You'll spend the rest of you life one step ahead of an H1-B.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:07 PM
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11. That is what I've heard
I studied a scientific field and was told its best to stop as the B.S. level. The M.S. offers almost nothing over a B.S. and 2 years work experience, and the PhD overqualifies you.

I remember reading the same problem is happening in China now, due to a glut of people educated in scientific fields.

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:32 PM
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7. Is it because of the universal health care in their countries?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:47 PM
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10. Don't let the door hit you in your H1B visa..................
:spank:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:26 PM
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13. all that so-called education doesn't mean shit
what they say they have and and the work they actually do, er, often does NOT compute
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