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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 07:17 PM
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Lake drained twice by sinkhole should NOT refill from Florida aquifer.
Even if the residents pay for it themselves, it should not be permitted by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. The residents around the lake refilled it in the 70s, drilling their well and paying for it themselves, but twice is too much. About a billion gallons of water to fill it...too much and should not be permitted from our fragile resources.



Residents of private lake wait for sinkhole repair

LAKELAND - Scott Lake is still not back to its old self. The 285-acre private lake is waiting for a permanent fix - and rain showers to fill it back up - after a gator-gulping sinkhole drained it in June.

Residents will need approval for work on the shore and lake bottom from the DEP. The plan is not yet in the DEP pipeline, according to a spokeswoman for the agency.

Residents will also need to deal with the Southwest Florida Water Management District if they want to drill a well to refill the approximately 1 billion gallons of water sucked down the thirsty sinkhole.

"Plugging the hole has to come first," said Curry.


These are million dollar plus homes. The lake was made private by them years ago. The public is not allowed access to it, not even for fishing. It was sad when they did that. Some of my dad's happiest memories were fishing in that lake. How they did it, I don't really know.

I wrote about that dried up lake twice before.

The Lake is Dry

The water just drained out of it. It is kind of an odd situation, bringing forth mixed emotions about state and county help. It was made private by the homeowners there years ago, no public access to it though I understand it is state-owned land.

LAKELAND -- After more than a week of losing water to what may be four sinkholes -- where fish and turtles were gobbled in dramatic gulps -- Scott Lake is now little more than a stinky, puddled beach.

"The lake is dry for all intents and purposes," Rick Powers, president and CEO of BCI Engineers & Scientists, said Thursday.

It has taken nearly 10 days for the 285-acre lake, which is ringed with the Who's Who of Lakeland's bestknown businessmen and executives, to drain




And here is more about it, how they went about refilling it in the 70s. I hope the state won't let it happen again.

More on the lake that dried up

LAKELAND -- Scott Lake has sprung a leak, actually several leaks, and all the water has disappeared down what could be as many as four sinkholes. More than 30 years ago, homeowners on the lake faced a similar dilemma when the water mysteriously disappeared.

No one's sure of the exact date or why the water went away. Curry said he thinks it was sometime in 1974, but other residents said it could have been a year or two earlier. The Southwest Florida Water Management District could not fix the date, either.

Swiftmud cut a small channel from Scott Lake, beneath Old Scott Lake Road, connecting to a nearby water source. Rather than wait on Mother Nature, Curry, Miller and other neighbors spurred by the late Bernie Little, the beer distributor, came up with a novel idea to replenish the lake, which never dried up totally.

They split the cost of sinking a well and pumping groundwater into the lake, something that could never happen today without a state water-use permit, engineering studies and lots of time.


But the people who live there have money and much influence, and they just might be able to pull it off.

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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 07:23 PM
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1. where do they think the water is going to come from?
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 07:25 PM by don954
We are in such a bad drought that we are under level 3 water conservation. The canals are so low that we are at risk of salt water back-flowing into the everglades and The Lake. These people are the highest example of selfishness i have ever seen..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 07:43 PM
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3. They don't think about it.
That's just it. It is not something they worry about at all. It worries me, though. It should not be private in the first place if it is state land. That does not make sense. When my dad was alive he fretted so much about that lake. They put a huge fence around where he used to put the boat into the lake for fishing.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 01:03 PM
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8. The water drained into the aquifer.
I don't really care, the lake stopped smelling a few months ago, and it'll probably fill eventually from all the rain we get during the summer, assuming they plug up the sinkhole.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 07:26 PM
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2. nothing more breath-taking than the american sense of entitlement
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 08:58 PM
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4. Some of them who live there do have that sense.
There are others who are not that way at all. But I fear if they go to the DEP for permission, they will get it.

Thing is, people are angry this time. We did not understand what they did in the 70s when the sinkhole drained it. We do know now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:02 PM
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5. An example of what I meant by influential...
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070404/NEWS/704040362/1001/BUSINESS

"Anheuser-Busch Plans New Brewery in China

Anheuser-Busch plans to double distribution in China will include a new brewery in that nation's Guangdong province, the company said Tuesday. The St. Louis-based beer maker will expand Budweiser distribution to an additional 100 Chinese cities, making it potentially available to 150 million new beer drinkers. Anheuser-Busch also said it will introduce Harbin premium brands to 33 new markets in 2007. The new brewery in Foshan, China, is expected to be complete by late next year and cost $63 million. Shares of Anheuser-Busch rose 36 cents to close at $51.06. (Bernie Little Distributors is the exclusive distributor for Anheuser-Busch in Polk, Highlands, Hardee and Okeechobee counties. The Lakeland and Sebring offices employ 125 people, 95 in Polk County. It sells more than 5 million cases per year, 3 million in Polk County. August A. Busch III has a vacation home on Scott Lake in Lakeland.)"

Bernie Little and Busch...and many more. We are restricted to watering only once a week at night...yet they keep building developments and not restricting growth. To cover our yard in those few hours we will have to pay for a sprinkler system, I guess. It is too late for people to water by then. But I bet they get their lake filled.





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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:57 PM
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6. They have more beach front property.. Should help them sell easy
haha
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 01:01 PM
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7. I can see Scott Lake from my porch.
I'll see if I can get any pictures up when I can find a camera.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 04:52 PM
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14. Would love to see more pictures...
Thanks. I just hate being so restricted on water use anyway. And the further developments are adding to the woes. It was an act of nature twice, and it could happen again. It could cause sinkholes in an area prone to them anyway.

Sometimes nature is in control.
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JBear Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 01:30 PM
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9. Do they not realize....
Do they not realize that such a massive pumping of water out of the aquafer at a time when it is SO dry already would only cause MORE sinkholes??

This seems more than just a bad repugnican selfish idea...

:bounce:
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:17 PM
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10. 5 years of drought, untold years of development
and they want to pump the aquifier to fill a farking lake??? Let them drain their sewerage into the pit after they plug the holes. Hell, the jeb bush plan was to pump sewerage into the aquifier and let it become our drinking water. How fucked up is that???

I've only lived here since 1977 in Pinellas and this place is shot, I'm waiting for the big wind to come and clean it up or out. We no longer have the daily rains, haven't for years. I save my rain water for my plants and don't wash my car or truck unless it is raining.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 04:49 PM
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13. Didn't Jeb get away with the sewage/ aquifer stuff?
I don't remember the details, but I know it was very risky. And he did not care.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 05:08 PM
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15. no, someone did some thinking and that was put on the back burner
I am going to do some checking though. My initial thought is the DER or EPA shot the idea down.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:27 PM
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11. Mother Nature's way of saying, "You're not the boss of me."
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:30 PM
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12. screw em
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