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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:25 PM
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WSJ: Gold price rising on dollar's potential demise
Score one for Twix Voy:


Potential End of Dollar-Based Oil Deals Lifts Gold

By Myra P. Saefong
MarketWatch.com
Tuesday, October 6, 2009

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/potential-end-of-dollar-based-oil-deals-lifts-gold-2009-10-06

TOKYO -- Growing speculation over the potential end to dollar-based trading in the oil market may be part of the reason gold prices have rallied beyond $1,020 an ounce to stand near their highest level in 18 months.

And the strength was kept even as several top officials, including Saudi central bank chief Muhammad al-Jasser, denied the report.

Gulf Arab states, along with China, Russia, Japan, and France, are planning to put an end to dollar-based trading in the oil market, according to an exclusive report published Tuesday in the U.K. by The Independent.

"News on gold's expected future role in oil transactions between these trading partners has sent the price past $1,020," said Peter Spina, chief investment analyst at GoldSeek.com.

In place of the greenback, the nations plan to use a basket of currencies, including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold, and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, and Qatar, the report said.

The Independent said the plans were confirmed by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong.

Several top Gulf central bankers immediately dismissed the talk, and the vice chairman of China's central bank made no mention of such a move in a speech.

The report is "absolutely bullish" for gold, said Peter Grandich, a metals writer at Agoracom. "I've not see gold's fundamentals this bullish in years."

The December contract for gold, the most-active on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange, closed Monday with a gain of $13.50, or 1.3%, at $1,017.80 an ounce. By the morning in London, December gold was up $2.80 to $1,020.70.

In mid-September, futures prices had climbed past $1,025 to hit a fresh 18-month high. The record intraday price for a front-month gold contract is $1,033.90, set on March 17, 2008.

Many analysts had attributed the gains Monday to higher demand in the face of more weakness in the U.S. dollar. See Metals Stocks.

But, as Spina pointed out, trading gold and other currencies in exchange for oil would "establish gold as a recognized medium of exchange, returning it a step closer to its role as money on a world trade system."

So the price of gold "should continue to find upward price pressures on this news," he said.

At the same time, "the domination of the U.S. dollar is further removed, and, really, it has been the pricing of oil in dollars for trade that has given it a huge boost in its demand globally," said Spina.

If the dollar is being used to transact oil between these nations, then they must use many billions of dollars to do so, he explained.

"If they will switch away from the U.S. buck, then all that demand disappears, the need for the U.S. dollar diminishes, and its value should reflect this," he said.

At last check, one U.S. dollar bought 88.97 Japanese yen, down from 89.49 yen in late New York Trading Monday. One euro bought $1.4726, up from $1.466.

"Transacting in gold will boost demand" for gold "as the U.S. dollar's role diminishes," said Spina.

All in all, "this news is certainly bullish for gold's prospects for further use in international trade going forward," he said.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:27 PM
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1. The dollar has been on the brink of death for years
Just ask the e-experts.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:31 PM
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4. The monthly MACD crossed to the downside in 2002 I think...
I no longer have my old charting service, but I do remember and Gold broke the downtrend line in 2001-2002.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=MACD&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g-s1g9





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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:30 PM
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2. Hurry!
Rush wants you to buy gold now! Can I sell you this collectors plate? It's sure to increase in value!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:37 PM
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7. When news become too popular watch out...I've not been following ...
closely of late so I make no predictions about the dollar and gold, but the smart money was buying gold under 300.

There was all doom and gloom at this time when some people were looking to put money back into equities.

:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5197347&mesg_id=5197347



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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:30 PM
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3. What will our society look like if the dollar does crash?
Are we looking at a barter system? Obviously retired folk and others with small savings will be financially devastated.
While I believe the dollar is in trouble, I have no idea how to prepare for it happening.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:37 PM
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8. Our society will look like a society wherein the 'pukes' wet dream as come full circle
and reached its inevitable fruition. :P
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:33 PM
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5. Quick hi to my unrec'ing fan club!
Yo peeps!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:35 PM
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6. That's ok
My favorite you are a pessimist because you don't believe the Rosy economic projections being pushed to you by the media and government person picked a fight with me today.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:43 PM
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10. Oh joy!
I hoped you kicked ass. :)
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:45 PM
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12. Tried to sell me inflation was good
Pointed out if it takes more dollars to buy oil than any kind of trade in balance bullshit you are trying to sell is nonsense because we don't really have a choice if we buy oil or not.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:49 PM
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15. ignore them.
I no longer judge a post by recs. They never make any sense.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:39 PM
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9. I suspect there are talks going on
In response to our budget deficit and federal reserve policy of the past year and the policies of Bush.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:44 PM
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11. I'll bet. This might be the only thing that gets their asses in the witness chair.
Lots of people are going to lose hugely from this.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:46 PM
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13. or get us to bomb Iran
for floating the idea to begin with.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:48 PM
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14. Oh god....
Yeah....
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:38 PM
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16. --
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:47 PM
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17. In other news, US still #1 manufacturing nation, and exports are up
There is not enough gold to replace the dollar as currency. It would have to hit about $8000 an ounce first.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:52 PM
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18. Bingo...
Fort Knox isn't about to go out of business any time soon.
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