Anyone have an opinion on 2012?

[CoffeeCat]

No, no--not the political election...the end of the world, silly!

I guess I'm late to the table, but I just saw the trailer for the 2012 movie
that comes out in November. See way-cool trailer here: http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/

I had no idea that there is a ton of speculation (unscientific, of course) about the world
ending in December of 2012.

On the movie Web site, it invites visitors to search "2012" and discover the truth.

Interesting!

Anyone have any insight or opinion about 2012...the movie or the planet being destroyed?

The movie trailer is awesome!

[BlooInBloo]

1. I'm looking forward to the world ending in 2012 for the anti-Obama people.

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

3. Nothing like the implosion of the planet...

...to take away yer political worries!

[busybl]

2. well according to the Mayan calendar

the world will end on my birthday 12/12 in 2012. That help?

[aquart]

5. Did they happen to mention HOW or WHY?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. The Long Count comes to an end

like we don't restart our calendar on January First every year. Or wait, just now the Jewish Calendar. Tishrei 12 I believe.

[busybl]

20. I don't know. My neighbor

was really into this but didn't tell me everything. My theory is they ran out of huge stone wheels to carve it on and
and figured, oh well, that covers enough time.

[CoffeeCat]

8. I read that about the Mayan calendar...

Did the Mayans actually predict that the world will end on this day?

Or did they just stop the calendar at that date?

Thanks for any info.

[Kalyke]

64. Actually, they predict ascension of our level of enlightenment.

But, first, the birthers, deathers, foamer-at-the-mouthers will either have to die or read a book.

:)

[Bucky]

76. Hmmm, maybe getting their ass handed to them in the next election will help them evolve.

Of course, it probably won't make a difference with most of them.

[ZombieHorde]

10. No. The Mayan calendar does not mention the end of the world.

This is just a common urban legend.

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. The Mayan calendar myth explained;

[Bucky]

75. Ha ha. Happy birthday! Sorry I forgot to get you a present. Can I give you one a day late?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. All kinds of calendars say it will end in 2012

my take... the long count restarts the day after... the Maya Long Count.

And this is part of the millenarian bullshit we have every so often.

:hi:

Yes, go ahead call me a serious skeptic.

That said, I have read quite a bit on it, since as a fiction writer it is RICH for ideas.

[ZombieHorde]

7. The Mayan calendars make no mention of the end of the world. That is just a common myth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Exactly... why I said the long count restarts

:hi:

Now the Galactic Alignment MIGHT have something to do with it, but I have not read any scientific evidence that gravity will change in any way.

[CoffeeCat]

14. That's why this will be a fun movie...

...It's a disaster film with some "ancient history" within the story line.

That always makes things more exciting.

And that movie trailer looks impressive. I hated "Armageddon". In fact, we walked out, but
if someone can make an epic disaster film that looks great and has believable effects--that would
be an terrific movie!

[tridim]

31. I just saw the new trailer on TV, wow!

[buzzycrumbhunger]

50. It seems made for IMAX

. . . although I have to wonder if they sustain that level of destruction for the whole movie and if they did, could anyone stand it for an entire movie. Did they cram all the CG into the promos and the rest of the movie is crap?

Sadly, I'm afraid this is just the beginning of end-of-the-world mania. . . Trying to remember how long we had to suffer through millenium hype; at least when that fizzled, we seemed to forget about it pretty quickly and move on to the next fad.

I have to say that 12/21/2012 is intriguing, especially since we're due for a flip-flopping of the magnetic poles and also near the end of Kali Yuga, which is also supposed to end about the same time as the Mayan calendar. Of course, the Hindus say it'll just be a matter of waking up and realizing what's what until we get bored and decide to start the cycle all over again.

Damn. If it's true, it would be a real pisser, wouldn't it? . . . like coming to the end of a favorite teevee series and being told it was all in someone's head. Bleagh. Alan Watts describes the cycle very nicely, but seems to skip over the part where we kick ourselves in the collective arse for subjecting ourselves to such a miserable bunch of crap at the end. :P

[Thickasabrick]

11. I heard Adam Lambert has a song in it that is great. That's all

I've heard about. Thanks for the link - looks like it will be good!

[flvegan]

12. I'm using it as an excuse to have tons of sex with strangers!

Saw that in a movie once.

[CoffeeCat]

16. Do I live near you?

Maybe we'll run into each other during the 11.5 earthquake!

hehe ;)

[flvegan]

28. If not, we can probably work something out, eh?

I mean...the world is ending. Heh.

[Ozymanithrax]

13. I am planning an 122112 party. We will party like there is no tomorrow.

My opinion, I will have a hangover on 122112.

[WinkyDink]

59. Is that a Binary Party?

[JanMichael]

17. No. It is the future and I really can't say what will happen.

I don't buy into the occult or fantasy books or interpretations of dead cultures as to what my life, or the planet as a whole, might be like in 27 or 28 months.

Of course if it was a high tech Bond villain that said she/he would end the Earth on 12/12/12 then MAYBE I'd be worried...

[stevedeshazer]

18. I thought the end was 2112. Must have listened to that Rush album too many times.

[whoneedstickets]

19. No but 2112 was a pretty good Rush album...

a bit heavy on the libertarianism in the lyrics

[csziggy]

21. It is all a total misunderstanding of the Mayan calendar

December 22, 2012 CE - A lot of doomtalk has sprung up lately around the ancient Mayan Calendar and how it'll be completing its cycle on this date. Mayan Armageddon is nothing to sneer at, either. At that moment, everything in the world that humans are fond of, from darling Fluffy romping in the yard to the new espresso maker on the kitchen counter will make like a Fox TV special and attack their unsuspecting owners. The forces of nature will get a go at us next and then big bits of space debris will have a shot, too. In the end, humanity will be quite thoroughly heinie-whipped for being so very sinful and impure.

The End Times aficionados are so entranced by the thought of this whole new mythology they can pull apocalypses out of, that they've entirely overlooked the itsy-bitsy factoid that 2012 isn't the Mayan date for end of the world, at all. That's not scheduled until sometime in the fiftieth century. 2012 will only mark the end of a calendrical cycle, and as such, a pretty good time to party...well, unless you're an End Times obsessive.
More choices of end of the world prophecies, past and future, than you can count: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/infinity2.html

[LuvNewcastle]

22. Did the Mayan calendar end at 2012?

That's what I've read. Maybe they ran out of paper.:P I'm looking forward to 2050, when no one is expecting an apocalypse. Maybe the people will realize our shared future by then.

[tkarolewics711]

26. The funny thing is

The Mayans carved their calendar on a disc, which resembled a wheel. The Mayans never invented the wheel.

[comrade snarky]

45. They had wheels on children's toys

But didn't use them for transport. They even had a missive network of raised roads all through the Yucatan.

I always wondered if it was because they had no decent animals for pulling carts and cargo.

[SpiralHawk]

48. The Aztec calendar is the wheel

The Mayans had 17 or more calendars, all of them more astronomically precise than the Gregorian calendar that the modern Western world uses today.

The Maya elders say massive change -- not The End.

[kitty1]

23. It's about shifting from an individual to collective consciousness..

a paradigm shift in perspectives on a global scale. It can be a spiritual shift as well as a shift in the natural realm too to correlate with that according to some people.
No end of the world though. Just some major transitioning going on.
Should be interesting to see how things play out

[CoffeeCat]

24. Interesting...

I'm all for shifting from individual--to the collective consciousness. I don't even know what that would
entail, but it sounds refreshing!

[tkarolewics711]

25. I saw the trailer as well and it is awesome

The 2012 reference is to the Mayan calendar, which ends on December 21, 2010. The Mayans created a perfect earthly and astronomical calendar, which predicted solar and lunar eclipses, comets, supernovas, etc. well after the demise of Mayan civilization. On December 21, 2012, the Mayans have discovered, and this is confirmed by modern astronomers, that the Solar System, including the Earth, will pass the galactic equator and the black hole, therein. The speculation, from what I understand, is that the poles will reverse, the Earth's plates will violently move and massive destruction will be reaped upon the World.

And also according to the Mayans, the right-wing nut jobs will be cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, where Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
FOX=666

God Bless

[CoffeeCat]

34. Those Mayans were smart!

...I like their predictions about Rush Limbaugh. Then again, whenever he shifts in his LayZBoy--the Earth's plates shift. Due
to all of that evil wreaking havoc with the Earth's inner core...or something like that.

[tkarolewics711]

73. He & Brett Favre won't be feeling any pain though

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Name one supernova that the ancient mayans predicted.

I'll be waiting. Patiently.

[SpiralHawk]

49. That'd be SN 1987a

Which marked the start of the 25-year era of transition...You are welcome.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. Great.

Now point to the Mayan source which predicted it.

With translation please.

[SpiralHawk]

65. Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez

and the other Daykeepers of the tradition

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez is a modern day kook.

I specifically asked you for the Mayan prediction of Supernova 1987a.

Not some nut who predicted the supernova after it happened.

[tkarolewics711]

77. Who really cares

I was just trying to bash Limbaugh, Beck and others

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

80. So you admit the Mayans never predicted supernovas.

OK.

[tkarolewics711]

74. You're awesome

Thanks. It would have taken me about an hour and a half to find a response.

[Dirtyhairy]

27. The same idiots that thought Y2K would bring about destruction are probably going crazy about it.

[Adsos Letter]

29. One more instance of "date-setting" for the end of time...

and will most likely be as accurate as the previous ones.

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

:shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

30. Sooner or later, they'll be right. Too bad that doesn't justify jumping on the bandwagon every time.

[LiberalAndProud]

32. How did you manage to miss the hype?

It's all the talk on the History channel. It's every bit as big as the new millenium was supposed to have been. Rather a disappointment that turned out to be. I suspect we'll have a similar experience in a couple of years.

Or the magnetic poles will shift.

[TreasonousBastard]

33. Story of my life. In 2012 I'll be eligible for Medicare and...

the world's going to end.

Just can't get a break.

[TexasObserver]

35. It's .. the ... end of the world, as we know it.

I feel fine.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Trailer looked like absolute shit.

The first trailer looked like absolute shit.

The second trailer looked like absolute shit.

This new trailer looks like absolute shit.

It's a shit film. Made by shit people. For... well, you get it.

People went to Transformers 2, so I guess people will see this shit too.

[voteearlyvoteoften]

54. I agree

Cool it with the digital effects and mayhem already.
How about a decent story for a change.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

37. This is what will happen if Sarah Palin becomes President.

The Mayans predicted it.

My ability to translate Mayan Hieroglyph is a little rusty but a rough translation is as follows:

...And the world will be in much turmoil and in the North the masses will be frightened. They will flock to the temple of the God of ignorance, Kul Ad, and they will drink of his water which shall be of the color of the Rose. And it shall come to pass that there will be gnashing of teeth and renting of fabric and they will speak in tongues and misspell their signs and shout of death panels and from among them will rise a great leader whose ignorance surpasses all others and her name shall be Sa Rah. And Sa Rah will lead them to new heights of ignorance and wreak destruction on the air and they will poison the water and kill the little creatures of the earth and the Gods will be angry and they will be ashamed of the people and they shall destroy the earth to hide their shame.

Or something like that.

[maglatinavi]

42. off...

Very funy... but suppose it happens?:eyes: :think: :wtf:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

44. It's possible that I mis-translated?

[Stardust]

39. I've seen the trailer twice in the theater and I can't wait to see the film!

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. It's not speculation.

I can't say any more. Sources to protect and all that.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I could launch into an extended discourse about woo-woo bullshit, but this is more fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CmXGKXOmk

[ThePantaloon.com]

43. In 2012, I hope Palin's the opponent- Obama will crush her

[Mind_your_head]

46. 12-21-12 doesn't mean/say that the world will end.....

the mayan's just said that the "world as we KNOW it" will end.

If you believe that the world is pretty much run by vile, evil greedy bastards....that doesn't sound so bad that 'THAT' should end, does it?

Of course, it could also mean that we are sucked up into a big black hole, which will lead us into another dimension, where all the *rules* are changed and then we are really f*cked!

But, hey, surprise me! I don't have ANY control over much of anything anyway! I was born and everything from 'there on out' was/is just a joyride! Wheeeee! *snort*

[Confusious]

47. We all DIE DIE DIE

AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[NoPasaran]

51. If the End of the World means the End of SNL I say: Bring it on!

[Libertas1776]

52. I saw some sneak preview

or whatever you call it on tv last night.

Well, the only way I can describe it is a giant Michael Bay-esque wet dream gratuitous destruction orgasmo fest. I mean, it was bordering on obscene. And yeah right, I'm supposed to believe that John Cusack is the best fucking driver who ever lived, driving a goddamn limo dodging falling skyscrapers, ruptures in the Earth, and taking off in a plane just as a runway sinks, all as 100s of thousands of schmos die around them. I wouldn't waste my money on such crap. :puke:

Oh yeah, and the President is black. Come on, we finally get a black president and Hollywood has to go all Morgan Freeman with the movie. We all know how that steaming Hollywood load DEEP IMPACT turned out.

[Odin2005]

53. Silly superstition.

[conscious evolution]

55. It is the peak year for baby boomers

retiring.
Historicly,when the number of people retiring each year goes down,the stock market goes up.When the number of people retiring goes up the stock market goes down.
Starting in 2007 the number of people retiring each year has risen exponentially.And the stock market has been falling ever since.
After 2012 the number of people retiring every year pretty much levels out.For the next ten years.

What happens when people retire?They start selling their stocks to fund their retirement.
What happens when a whole shit load of people start selling something?The law of supply and demand kicks in and prices for go down.

Anyone ever wonder why they are trying to destroy social security? To keep people from retiring in an attempt to prop up the market.
Ever wonder why health care is being brought up as an issue? Because they know medicare/medicaid is about to be swamped with retiree's.

Hang out to your hats people.Its gonna be a long time before the economy recovers.

[Kansas Wyatt]

57. Fuck it! I'm getting old anyway.

Unless someone comes up with something new and real, it's not interesting anymore.

[WinkyDink]

58. I found the trailer both appalling (shades of 9/11) and puerile ( a ride in a theme park).

[Recovered Repug]

60. And of course 12/21/12 would be a friday.

Just when you're starting to look forward to the weekend. BOOM!!! The world ends. Why couldn't it end on a Monday? No one would have cared then.

[bridgit]

61. yes...

[dysfunctional press]

62. get into the survivalist supply business- it's going to be WAY bigger than y2k...

people are idiots.

[Kalyke]

63. Actually, there is a ton of scientific speculation, as well.

You might want to see this: http://www.realmovienews.com/reviews/discs/3004

But I must ask (since you had no idea that there was a ton of speculation regarding Dec. 21, 2012) do you not have the Discovery Network. :hi:

They've been running documentaries regarding the Mayan long-count calender and interviews with real scientists, climatologists, religious folks (both nutty and not) all year. :)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. Well, maybe scientic speculation.

But not scientific speculation.

[Kalyke]

68. I already corrected my error.

But, yes, there has been some scientific speculation.

Mostly on the level of natural disasters and global warming and solar flares and not keyed on the exact date of Dec. 21, 2012, but keyed upon turbulent times in the years of 2008 through 2015.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. No you didn't.

There is no scientific speculation.

[Kalyke]

71. Then I guess this guy's not a scientist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku


Because he certainly has some theories on it.

http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/dr-michio-kakuthe-physicist-who-should-have-a-tv-show.html

Granted, his is only - guess what - SPECULATION, but I think I'm going to listen a little more intently to a trained theoretical scientist who has written numerous papers on the String Theory than to someone on a blog.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. Kaku's always been a hack.

Particularly when it came to trying to block Cassini.

But even Kaku isn't speculating anything about Mayan prophecies, or end of the world or anything of the sort.

He's just saying a solar cycle will peak in 2012.

There's going to be a presidential election in 2012. And the summer olympics. That doesn't mean the Mayans predicted it.

[ddeclue]

70. I believe it will follow the year 2011 and precede the year 2013...

:P

[bertman]

78. The special effects in the trailer were spectacular. I'm going to see it so I'll be ready for

the sequel 2013, when we get to see Raquel Welch come back to life as a cavewoman.

[Skip Intro]

79. You'd think you'd "feel" something not right, were that 2 yrs away, you know? Like when a bad storm

approaches. I don't feel it. And I still remember when Y2K was "the end." It was something before that. Guess we'll see soon.

That movie looks killer, though!