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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:48 PM
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Is the Pope considered, by his followers, to be infallible?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:49 PM
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1. Infallible when speaking about Church doctrine
Not EVERYTHING he says.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:50 PM
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He's only considered infallible
when he's speaking to the church on matters of dogma (that's putting it as simply as I can).
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:50 PM
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2. In extremely specific circumstances relating directly to church doctrine
Infallibility has only been invoked a handful of times in the entire history of the church, and a few of those were judged retroactively in the nineteenth century.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:53 PM
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5. yup theres a phrase that describes when he is infallable but i cant remember it
basically when this ceromony for want of a better word is invoked then whatever his holiness says is considered as the direct words of god.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:56 PM
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7. "Ex cathedra" - rough translation: "talk to the hand, because the chair has spoken!".
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:56 PM
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rofl, yup thats it, i was drawing a total blank...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:56 PM
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8. Ex cathedra
Checking further, it's been used once in the twentieth century, in 1950.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:51 PM
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3. Deleting my post -- these guys have the correct answer. I was just blathering. nt
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 07:53 PM by gateley
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:52 PM
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4. The Catholic one? nt
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:56 PM
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10. the one that shits in the woods.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:04 PM
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12. Oh, the Bare Pope. nt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:55 PM
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6. I'm Lutheran, but the understanding I have is that the Pope's infallibility is restricted to...
matters of doctrine and are not applicable if he's not speaking ex-cathedra, which IIRC has only occured twice: the doctrine of the immaculate conception (that Mary was conceived by Anna but did not receive original sin) and the Assumption of Mary (that Mary did not die, but was taken up into heaven alive). Although infallibility is not technically applicable to most statements, Roman Catholics generally tend to maintain a deferrential attitude toward what he says.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:02 PM
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11. Technically true
but there is a large group of conservative Catholics who take every word as infallible and will defend the Church as such. For an example, check out the Catholic Answers Forum, nothing bad can come out of Rome in their eyes.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:34 PM
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14. And there is a group of ultra-traditionalist who
reject every pope since Pius XXII.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:56 PM
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9. No, it is a very narrow doctrine, only really defined in 1870 during Vatican I
For details see Wikipedia on this doctrine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

The Catholic Encyclopedia on this doctrine:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:28 PM
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13. I consider him inflatable
Where else could he get all that hot air from?
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