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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:43 PM
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UPDATE: The 'Mysterious' Firm Policing Montana & hired to fill its empty jail is BLACKWATER

I posted earlier that the following article with links from Rawstory & an AP Story:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/debbierlus/33...

Unknown private security company has been hired to fill the empty 27 million dollar jail. They showed up and started to police small Montana town....(go to the above link for full story)...

Well, a little sleuthing and a nod and cough/cough from Torn_Scorned_Ignored (thank you!)pointed to the formerly unknown company's (American Police Force) webpage:

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/special.html

This is the text and the giveaway:

OUR (my emphasis) extensive tactical firearms training facility, THE U.S. TRAINING CENTER (my emphasis) is capable of providing a wide range of instruction and training for all types of law enforcement organizations. From basic firearms training to complex SWAT tactics our corps of instructors can meet all your training requirements.

So, I went to the U.S. Training Center site:

http://www.ustraining.com/new/index.asp

Well, the U.S. Training Center while careful to not use the Blackwater name throughout the U.S. Training Center site (other then a mention about Blackwater having no wrongdoing in overcharging the government for contracting, otherwise, the name Blackwater is strangely absent. But, when I saw the one reference to Blackwater, I did a yahoo search under U.S. Training Center & Blackwater with the following result:

Contact page for Blackwater.
US Training Center. PO Box 1029. Moyock, NC 27958. Xe Services, LLC. Moyock, NC ... US Training Center North. PO Box 33. Mount Carroll, IL 61053. E-Mail Directory ...
www.blackwaterusa.com/contact_us.html - Cached (NOTE CACHED MEANS HIDDEN FROM MAIN SITE - MY NOTE)

Go to the website, and what do you find....

You are right at the U.S. Training Center's Contact Page.

U.S. Training Center being the training facility for the new BLACKWATER front group, American Police Group.

Blackwater has been hired to fill an empty prison in Montana. No one knows where the prisoners are going to come from according to the article linked at the top in my journal.

You must read the full article to comprehend the full horror & implications.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/debbierlus/33...

Unfuckingbelievable.




:mad:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:45 PM
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1. I guessed as much.
That has to be stopped.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:46 PM
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3. Yes, it seemed logical, it is just pathetic this isn't front page news on every network
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:57 PM
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15. It starts with you
If a voice can change a city, and a city can change a state....
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:00 PM
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17. Can someone forward this to Rachel & Keith - when I go to the contact page, it won't allow it

Something about my server not being set up properly...if anyone could forward BOTH the journal link and this update to Keith & Rachel, it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:11 PM
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103. Here's her email
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 02:15 PM by Joanne98
rachel@msnbc.com

I sent her the link to this thread
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:45 PM
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2. I'm not surprised at all.
They keep trying to hide behind new names.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:46 PM
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4. Good work. $10 on Gitmo.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:46 PM
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5. Do the Feds have any jurisdiction here?
This needs to end immediately. Obviously.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:47 PM
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6. Excellent work!!!
One look at APF's website an I knew they were Blackwater rebranded! :thumbsdown:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:49 PM
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7. This reads like some J.J. Abrams pilot, you know.
Fringe meets Northern Exposure. I was reading about this over at TPM, and it just kept getting wackier and wackier, and I just couldn't believe it was true...

But it is, it's gotdam TRUE! And the crest they're using is from some Serbian prince or what have you? One of the craziest damn things I ever read.

They're spending $30 million on the site and they refuse to say who's funding it? Un-fucking-believable. This seriously could be a Coen Brothers movie, except being exposed like this, it just ends badly for all involved in the usual Coen Brothers way.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:49 PM
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8. I can think of only one way to fill the prison.
Considering that they are calling themselves the American Police Group it only stands to reason they will the be the local law enforcement. They will arrest whoever they want so they can fill it up.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:07 PM
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19. American Police Group - how very Orwellian of them
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:52 PM
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9. I was wondering....
it almost seemed too obvious, but makes the most sense.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:53 PM
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10. There's too much information missing here.
One simply doesn't 'contract to fill a jail', and any negotiations that would be in that regards would be on record with the county.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:58 PM
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16. You have to read the article in my journal - and the links within it

This is not the complete story. Go to the o.p. and go to the links to the full article. That will clarify everything.

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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:24 PM
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28. I have. Being somewhat familiar with how jails are run.....
I'm telling you that there simply isn't enough information (yet) to come to any sort of conclusion.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:07 PM
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58. Here's a better DU thread w/links to the background stuff:
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 11:17 PM by intheflow
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The thread links to the Billings, MT local news (tv and print), and they have lots and lots of links to earlier stories about how the jail was contracted. It's been controversial since it started, and was one of the sites rumored to be a FEMA camp/immigration detention site from the start of its construction during the Bush years.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:54 PM
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11. This is an invasion of corporate fascists. They need to be
eliminated the same way my relatives eliminated fascism during WWII. As Americans we cannot let this stand. Our country is being taken over by corporations that do not care who lives or dies.

Blackwater Helicopter in Action

Imagine this over your home. Who will they kill next? When will Blackwater privatize torture?
Are you willing to let them. Speak out now.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:03 PM
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18. This is incredibly dangerous -

Not to mention completely frightening....
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:36 PM
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100. This all makes me kind of wonder about those 'black helicopter' stories
that were circulating in the 90s. Were they maybe disinformation put out by these people deliberately for the sole purpose of being debunked, so that nobody would get worked up about what they themselves were going to do in the next decade?

Do these people plan that far ahead?

Right now, when this comes up the first thing that comes to mind is the bogus black helicopter stories.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:43 PM
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113. Oh, they care who dies.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:55 PM
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12. jeebus h crust
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #12
136. bliss ewe.
Shyte on a pogo stick.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:57 PM
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13. Bwahaha! Good work!
:applause:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:57 PM
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14. Nice catch
I think a lot of us already suspected Blackwater (I refuse to call it Xe).

What other organization has "a battalion" at the ready, plus an extensive communication network AND a warehouse full of the latest high-tech weaponry?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:07 PM
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20. Wow ,that is unbeleivable, Thank you!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:09 PM
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21. how is it that you can do this and journalist can't?
Oh I forgot, the corporate news won't let them.
Great work and K&R.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:09 PM
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22. Robocop. nt
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:18 PM
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25. Aeon Flux ,but not sexy
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:24 PM
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106. closer and closer every day... n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:11 PM
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23. ustraining.com is most definitely Blackwater
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:16 PM
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24. Traveling to&fro ,just like the snake in the big book.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:31 PM
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29. Ohhhh. Very nice. Thank you!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:51 PM
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35. It also says "an Xe company" (that's Blackwater's name now) at the bottom of the webpage
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:19 PM
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26. Thank you for doing the leg-work on this.
Bookmarked and rec'd

:kick:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:40 PM
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32. Lots of kudos to DU user Torn_Scorned_Ignored

He pointed out the web page on my journal thread with the text of U.S. Training group. I just followed up on his lead and connected some dots.

Thank you Torn_Scorned_Ignored -

:yourock:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:33 AM
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63. indeed - thank you Torn_Scorned_Ignored !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Torn_Scorned_Ignored you rock!!!! and good job debbierlus in connecting it further!!! :)

You guys rock!

This MUST be stopped - they are fascist-corporate money grubbing whores who will throw anyone in jail to make a buck. Reminds me of crooked judges sentencing troubled youth & adults to long terms at facilities that their political buddies run!
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #32
85. Thanks but
I am a female. :blush:

...you are Very welcome.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:23 PM
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27. Good work.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:36 PM
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30. That page isn't cached and that's not what cached means.
Other than that, nice find. Now we have to figure out their connection to defenseproductsolutions.com (with whom americanpolicegroup.com shares an IP address), allieddefensesystems.com, Edward Angelino, Mohammad Abdalla, and "West Coast Investment Group Inc." See my comments in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:19 PM
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43. How about this?
They all share the same SSL certificate:


http://whois.domaintools.com/americanpolicegroup.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/madisonharborloanmodificat...
http://whois.domaintools.com/madisonharborloanmodificat...
http://whois.domaintools.com/dpsna.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/defenseproductsolutions.co...

The SSL certificate comes from Madison Harbor Loan Modification

17702 Mitchell North
Irvine, California 92614
United States

The above address is this office complex:



The building is home to these businesses:

MyWebTeam.com
NDEX Technologies
International DSM Group
Make A Star Dot Com
Longlast Battery
Madison Harbor
Money Line Capital
Delta Lu Electronic Does
Coast Tech Computers Microage
Coastal Reality Elite
Allied Defense Inc
Madison Harbor Law Corporation
Extend A Hand Inc
Royer Manson LLC
Digital Systems Media
Coast Business Group
Opus One Corporation
Schell Advisory Services
Opperbest Law Firm
SUN VALLEY TECHNOLOGY
Garage Solutions
Ceramic Companions
Funpokes
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:43 PM
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47. Unless I'm missing something, the whois for dpsna.com does not show it sharing that ssl certificate.
In fact it can't be because it's on a different server from the others and, while I don't know a lot about ssl certificates, I'm pretty sure that they are unique to a server.

The others do share the certificate but that's probably just because they are on the same IP. I'm not sure if the certificate means anything. If you look at the whois info you'll see that that certificate is connected to the IP address rather than to any one domain. It may simply be there because they do share the server with madisonharborloanmodification.com and madisonharborloanmodification.com apparently had a need for secure connections so they purchased a certificate.

I doubt that they have any connection to madisonharborloanmodification.com. There is also a limousine service on that server which doesn't seem to have any connection to the defense sites.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:57 PM
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50. Okay
You're right, dpsna.com doesn't have that SSL cert. However, you stated that dpsna.com is related to defenseproductsolutions.com. I am sorry for the mistake.

However, I'm not so sure that SSL certs are as ambiguous as you claim. One obtains an SSL cert when one needs to encrypt data, most often in the case where financial transactions take place over the web. From what I understand, website owners choose the entities from which they acquire their SSL certs. I don't think it's about hosting accounts sharing the same virtual server.

I could be wrong.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:09 PM
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53. The reason I know that dpsna.con is related to defenseproductsolutions.com
is because if you try to go to defenseproductsolutions.com you get redirected to dpsna.com.

You may be right about the certificate. I'll have to read up on it.

But if you are right then dXTransportation.com also has that same certificate.

http://whois.domaintools.com/dxtransportation.com

It's hard to see why DX Transportation would purchase an ssl certificate, since their entire website consists of an image with no clickable links. http://dxtransportation.com

Why would they pay for an ssl certificate if they are not accepting funds or sensitive information online? They'd be throwing away their money.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. I can't get into their directory tree
...to see if there are other pages/folders, so I don't know.

I'm still trying to figure out why Madison Harbor Loan Modifications owns an SSL cert when they don't have a working website at either their dot net or dot com domains.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:45 PM
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57. Maybe Madison Harbor had a site at one time.
I'm going to poke around a little regarding both DX Transportation and Madison Harbor. It seems odd to me that a Godaddy shared server would only have four domains. You would think that it would have hundreds or thousands. The fact that it only has 4 makes me wonder if someone isn't leasing a dedicated server from them. If that's the case then the leaser may have an interest of some kind in every domain, or they may be an affiliate who's only managed to sell to a few customers so far. It's hard to say.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #56
89. Its on Internet 2
My guess,anyway.
Don't bother looking for a link.I would bet money you have to type in a password as part of the URL to access the site
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #53
111. dxtransportation
is the same as Dedicated Xpress Trans CO. Right in the Crosshairs.
http://dedicatedxpress.net

Same telephone number.


Madison Harbor Loan Modifications is here: http://mhloanmods.com/index.html
Phone: (866) 505-4040
Address: 17702 Mitchell North, Irvine, CA 92614
Email: info@mhloanmods.com


...and this from

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j8ln

The server for APFs website happens to host Defense Product Solutions website. This company registered its domain name back on June 19, 2009. Note that both APF and DPS use the double-headed eagle for their corporate logos. AlliedDefenseSystems.com (registered March 2007) appears to be a related site. This websites administrative contact is Mohammad Abdalla. Mr. Abdalla is listed as the Chief Operating Officer for this company in Anaheim, CA.

Heres where it gets more strange:

The admin e-mail is for a Mr. Edward Angelino, who just happens to be listed as a small business contact for Defense Logistics Services, Inc., a company that appears to be providing foreign military sales support for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Mr. Angelino has an interesting tracking record when it comes to both lawsuits and government contracts.


The server for APFs website happens to host Defense Product Solutions website. This company registered its domain name back on June 19, 2009. Note that both APF and DPS use the double-headed eagle for their corporate logos. AlliedDefenseSystems.com (registered March 2007) appears to be a related site. This websites administrative contact is Mohammad Abdalla. Mr. Abdalla is listed as the Chief Operating Officer for this company in Anaheim, CA.

Heres where it gets more strange:

The admin e-mail is for a Mr. Edward Angelino, who just happens to be listed as a small business contact for Defense Logistics Services, Inc., a company that appears to be providing foreign military sales support for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Mr. Angelino has an interesting tracking record when it comes to both lawsuits and government contracts.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #47
91. They rent vehicles from the limo service
Its both a tax dodge and a way to seperate the vehicles from the company if someone were to get a plate number during their shenanagins.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:48 PM
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48. By caching, doesn't it provide the capacity to hide the source of origin

The reason I thought it was hidden was due to the fact that the websource from blackwater & the web page completely diverged away from any reference at all to the blackwater name.

This wasn't deliberate?

Can designers use cache to hide or layer information?

I am no web expert. Any information would be helpful.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. That's not what caching is.
A cache is simply a copy. It has nothing to do with hiding anything.

I'm not sure I understand what it is that you're trying to say, but I think you're using the wrong words to say it. Anyway, you have some good information, just don't get hung up on "cached" and "hiding".
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:04 PM
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51. Thanks - I just want to clarify it for my own reference

I know it isn't the central detail. I guess I just found it strange that the link to the contact page was Blackwater yet the contact page had no reference to blackwater at all. You wouldn't know it was a blackwater contact page was you got to the page. I thought it was a deliberate attempt to hide the black water name from the site.

And, I googled the definition of cache and it meant hidden, but I didn't look at the web term.

Thank you
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:16 PM
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54. I'm sure Blackwater is trying to obscure the connections (unsuccessfully).
I have no argument with you on that.

In the context of computer science a cache can serve various purposes but it's basically just a copy. "Cache" may have other meanings in other contexts. I hope you don't think I was jumping on you about it. I was just trying to clarify, nothing more. :hi:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #54
83. You can also use the Wayback Machine to see historical changes to a site
http://www.archive.org/index.php

It will allow you to see how a site has changed over a period.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:32 AM
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87. I've already tried that.
There wasn't anything useful cached there. What have you found?
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:57 PM
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117. If they blocked caching or changed servers
I think the Wayback Machine can't be of any use.

I didn't find anything either, but was hoping someone else could.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:37 PM
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31. Very well done. BW has about 30 other brands that they're working
according to Jeremy Scahill, fyi.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:30 AM
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77. Like this one?
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JackInGreen Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:43 PM
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33. I hate to press
the incredulous.
Anyone else think of Cobra?
I mean, really.
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soccermomforobama Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:50 PM
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34. Also if you put "U.S. Training Center" in Google,
the first link has the web address of www.blackwaterusa.com.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:01 PM
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36. Great sleuthing, deb!! nt.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:02 PM
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37. This is a BIG HONKIN STORY!
Local police departments.. Privatized and Militarized....

How can this be legal? Can the local administrations FIRE these guys?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:54 PM
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126. This is just the future of America
If the likes of Cheney and Bush are ever elected again you will start to see incarceration based on political considerations. Just like in 1930s Germany.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:03 PM
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38. Their website quotes several other sites beside blackwater -- I think it's just a general scam
For instance, the intro page to the "American Police Force Organization" website includes this quote: American Police Force is dedicated to maintaining our well deserved professional reputation as a results oriented full-service private investigative and security agency by way of commitment, diligence, unique resources, creativity, and tenacity on behalf of our clients.

Which is identical to the quote that LA private attorney Mike McCormick uses on his web page: http://www.mcminvestigation.com/about.html

It could be that MCM Investigations is part of Blackwater as well, but I think it's more likely that AFP is a scam and copped language from several different websites.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:11 PM
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39. The services they perform


* Insurance Fraud
* "Undercover Investigations"
* Missing Persons
* Unresolved Murder Cases
* VIP Security - Financial Institutions
* Forensic
* Polygraph Testing
* Judgement




* Domestic & Fraud Surveillance
* Criminal and Civil Investigations
* "Check Your Mate" (Cheating Spouse)
* Team Surveillance
* Criminal and Civil Background
* Hard to Locate Individuals
* Asset Searches
* Witness Statements


Check out their surveillance page with the huge huge eye

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/domestic.html

# Domestic Surveillance for Personal Matters
# Surveillance for Criminal Matters
# Surveillance for Civil Matters
# Surveillance to Support Commercial and Business matters
# Legal Support Surveillance
# Surveillance for Insurance Fraud and Claims Investigations
# Counterintelligence/Espionage
# Government Contract Response
# Incident Response Surveillance

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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:15 PM
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40. new location for Gitmo?
Makes sense, as fucked up as that is.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:18 PM
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41. Another article
Blackwater USA has the largest private weapons and tactics training facility in the United States at Moyock, North Carolina. This facility is about 30 minutes from Norfolk, Virginia and four hours from Washington DC and Northern Virginia. They have a variety of classes open to the general public, including tactical pistol, basic pistol, basic shotgun, and carbine operator. They also have specialty classes available to the public for executive protection and high risk security operations. The following video shows their facility in Moyock:

http://virginiapreppersnetwork.blogspot.com/2009/02/bla...
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:21 PM
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44. Become a Blackwater Alumni by signing up
at the U.S. Training Center Alumni Application Page.
https://www.blackwaterusa.com/alumni/application.htm
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:19 PM
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42. I thought as much
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:22 PM
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45. OMG! Those fuckers are working in the states now?
:nuke:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:09 PM
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59. Please.
They've been working in the states since at least Katrina.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/22/opinion/main8...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:43 PM
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46. Deleted message
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:11 AM
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75. What they are doing in MT is illegal under Montana Law.
A comment from a blogger at the link you provided links to this PDF Essay on Montana Law, quoting that it violates Article II Section 33 of the Montana Constitution.

Link: http://www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson/articles/Armed....
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:04 PM
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52. America has become
a police state. That is obvious to any citizen, especially the
citizens who wish to exercise our freedom of nonviolent
dissent.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:13 AM
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61. Cheney invests in prisons doesn't he? He is a friend of Blackwater. Maybe this is what
that one site was talking about when they called for a militia and military police overtaking the Government by force to get rid of Obama. Oh please tell me it is Gitmo and not the other.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:58 PM
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101. They planned it for F.D.R.
I wish President Obama would be more forceful in his Honduran
condemnation. Make it clear to the world that America does not
roll like that.(as my son would say)
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:24 PM
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55. That was my first thought
but I didn't know the area well enough to know if this was some small time militia group or, say, an SS-style organization like... Blackwater.


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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:05 AM
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60. kick
:kick:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:00 AM
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62. Kudos on the great detective work! K&R!
:kick:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:46 AM
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64. That was an easy one to call.
Fucking goons always look like commando wannabes.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:42 AM
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65. Coming to a neighborhood near you...
That's the thought that scares the hell out of me.

Blackwater is nothing but a bunch of sociopaths armed with authority and guns. :yoiks:

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:35 AM
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66. Kickin' this all day. . . n/t
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:36 AM
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67. Wow!
I wonder if the current head of blackwater will end up there, providing he is found guilty? That would be ironic. I can't wait until Olbermann, Maddow, etc, get a hold of this. Amazing find.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:59 PM
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127. He can't be found guilty.
There are two systems of justice in this country. He is part of the system where we "look ahead" and never hold them accountable for their actions.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:15 PM
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157. I thought he and his cronies were well on their way to charges
stemming from their own little hit squad they were running? I would like to know the justification the authorities are using if charges are not being pursued.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:16 PM
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158. Justification? Authorities?
Authorities don't need no stinking justification. That's why they're the authorities.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:40 AM
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68. Great catch! Would like to see a list of all of Blackwater's fronts and shell companies.
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 06:59 AM by leveymg
That would help track them back to the politicians, like Max Baucus, who feed these scams, and the private sector oligarchs who own Congress. Would not be surprised to find that the same group who own Blackwater are also in the prison construction-for-profit business. One big, vertically and horizontally integrated fascist nightmare.

More information on Blackwater's Prison-Industrial Complex here: http://www.bluenc.com/blackwater-prison-industrial-comp... .
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:42 AM
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69. Lemme tell ya, there's some real nuts in Montana.
They make the Michigan militia look like ok guys.

Julie
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:52 AM
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80. That is a good point
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:58 PM
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155. Interesting opinion. I personally know several people involved in militia stuff in MT
To a one, they were brought around to that view by guys from Michigan selling workshops and books on how income taxes are illegal.

Just a fact.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:58 PM
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156. every state has its share of nuts...lets not pick on Montana..
We all got to pull together now.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:25 AM
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70. Has MSM picked up on this "minor" fact yet?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:30 AM
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71. The k and the r
for America.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:40 AM
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72. Some guy claims their offices are ata MJ dispensary
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 07:47 AM by Vilis Veritas
South Coast WeedMaps shows a dispensary at their address listed on the APF website.

Link: http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=co...

Smells like High Times...

This guy thinks its a hoax.

http://www.uaff.info/apf_fake_hoax.htm

When I read the CBS story, it almost seemd like an Onion story.

CBS News Story: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/crimesider/entr...

I cite this quote as being quite Onion-y

Pretty looking police car, ain't it? Hardin resident Leroy Frickle, 67, said as he eyed one of the vehicles parked in front of a bed and breakfast where Hilton and other company representatives were staying. The things you hear about this American Police, I don't know what to think.


Leroy Frickle is real though, you can google up his home phone number pretty easily fo anyone intrested in calling the fellow.

Just saying...

Edited to add, that in the time, I did this reasearch and found these other articles, the APF website changed. The contacts page no longer lists their address. It was there 30 to 40 minutes ago, then when I tried to hit the contacts page again to get a screencap, it came back "Server Unavailable"...less than 5 minutes later the page was back up, with new text.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:43 AM
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73. interesting...you should add that info on this DU post
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:49 AM
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74. Will do...
This is a wierd freaking story no matter what the reality is...
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:33 AM
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78. It looks like some kind of office complex.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&q=12...

A Google search also shows a law office located at that address and suite number. Keep in mind that websites may have out of date information. It may be that it was once a law office, then a dispensary, and now APF. It's hard to say. What is interesting is that APF has removed the address from their site. Also, defenseproductsolutions.com and dpsna.com are both down this morning. Both were up yesterday and both have been connected to APF. They seem to be responding to the scrutiny.

However, allieddefensesystems.com is still up. It's definitely connected to defenseproductsolutions.com and even uses the same web templates.

All very curious.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:52 AM
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81. The suite number listed on the site
was for the South Coast Patients Center which is still in business at leaast as of 9-16-2009 as these posters suggest. I suppose a phone call is all that is needed to confirn.

http://www.cannashops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15321

When it was screen capped by this guy: http://www.uaff.info/apf_fake_hoax.htm

The suite number was clearly that of the Patients Center.

Whatever the reality is this is more than curious...
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:06 AM
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82. South Coast Patient Center opened in May of this year.
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 09:16 AM by drm604
http://www.cannashops.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33243...
Looking forward to meeting all the peeps!

Come check us out, pre-register today for gree gram tomorrow.

Grand Opening May 22, 2009

Signature Strains will be Bullrider and Hogs Breath!

I'm thinking that this whole MJ dispensary thing is a red herring somehow. Regardless of whether or not APG are a scam, it would be stupid of them to share offices with an MJ dispensary and actually list the address on their website.

My first guess would be that APG was in those offices before SCPC and simply neglected to update their website. The problem with that theory is that the domain americanpolicegroup.com was registered on May 15, 2009, 7 days before the Grand Opening of SCPC. If they had been in those offices, surely they would have been out 7 days before the new tenant went into business. Maybe they made a mistake with the suite number or something.

The idea that they would knowingly list the address of an MJ dispensary on their website just doesn't seem reasonable to me. Doing it accidentally and not catching it for months seems unprofessional but believable. It certainly wouldn't give me much confidence if I were looking to hire security people!
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:21 AM
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84. Red Herring or not.
It smells...like high times and shenanigans.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:29 AM
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86. I'm thinking that maybe they had a lease that fell through or something.
Maybe they had already given the address to whoever was developing their website and either forgot to tell them of the change or told them and the developers were negligent and didn't change it.

As I've shown in other posts they seem to use mail drops and temporary office spaces, combine that with this business of an apparently bad address on their website and yes, it smells.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:21 AM
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76. Just a short while ago... even mentioning a story like this...
... you would get flamed and called "Tin-Foil".

Just a short while ago if you pointed out that police were getting ready to use L-R-A-D on crowds.. you would get shouted down and called "Tin Foil".

Just a short while ago if you even mentioned that something about 911 just didn't add up? You were called Tin-Foil....

After 8 years of denial we now see... <drumroll>

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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:01 AM
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92. That is so true. What will be denied next?...I can't wait.
:puke:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:01 PM
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97. mandatory vaccines for the safety of all.....
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:49 PM
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115. RFID implanted chips for "safety of the elderly".
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23372564-bri... ;jsessionid=9E0445C3BE4CCADE26734C21AE7AF437
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:26 PM
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107. And these
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 02:30 PM by billh58
facts about a Blackwater subsidiary relate to the facts of Al Qaeda Saudis hijacking airliners, and the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9/11 -- how? Nice try, but apples and oranges still come from two different trees.

Just a short while from now, I will still maintain that people who believe in a widespread and diabolical 9/11 government "conspiracy theory" should buy a better brand of tinfoil, or climb to a higher grassy knoll.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:38 AM
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79. K&R
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think Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:44 AM
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88. World News Daily is trying to blame this on Obama
"News stories of the strange actions by the private security firm launched an Internet buzz, with many readers emailing WND, asking if there was a connection between Hardin, where city officials once sought Guantanamo Bay prisoners to be housed in a local jail, the APF and President Obama's once-promised "civilian national security force."

"Hardin is the 'test town' for President Obama's new law to privatize the police force of local communities," decried one widely circulated blog post. "



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111442
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:55 AM
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90. Hey, Montana! You're a privatized police state. Like it?
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:07 PM
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135. And, as of
today, another reason to laugh at the Blue Sky idiots:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/01/taking_libertie...

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:20 AM
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151. Interesting.
What do they do when neighboring states up the penalties on their home made guns?

How to turn a nation into Somalia.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:39 AM
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93. Their server is down.....
http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/special.html

Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.americanpolicegroup.com Port 80
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:11 PM
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94. ... is this the same town that wanted the GITMO detainees ...
... because their economy was toast and all they had was an empty supermax?

Maybe Blackwater is doing recon to get the area ready for that ... :shrug:
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:20 PM
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95. Wait a sec..Isn't that state run by Democrats?
Expel the fuckers at gunpoint.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:23 PM
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105. just so you know...Montana has always been republican until just lately..
Most of the businesses are republican owned and they still mostly run the towns still.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:29 PM
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121. Folks out there might not like the fact
that the same people BW were the same ones that took the guns away from legal citizens in N.O.
Black Water=real life gun grabbers.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:54 PM
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154. Good point...
I think most Montana people will not be happy with a fake police either. Did they ever "arrest" anyone?
What makes these idiots think America will let them get away with this?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:21 PM
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96. all Unconstitutional
and maybe even treasonous
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:29 PM
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98. Does hope and change include
an end to government supported mercenary military units operating in the United States?

Sure hope it does!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:32 PM
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99. TPM has great coverage:
American Police Force Leader's Long Criminal Record
Zachary Roth | October 1, 2009, 11:17AM


The American Police Force, that mysterious security company that just took over an empty jail in Hardin, Montana, is looking shadier than ever.

Since yesterday, details have been emerging about the background of the man behind APF -- a California-based grifter, who has said he's a naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Montenegro, and uses the name Michael Hilton.

Over the years, Hilton has served jail time for fraud, and had a string of arrests and other run-ins with the law. Based on reports from the AP, the Billings Gazette, and Prison Legal News, here's a quick rundown:

1988: Hilton arrested in Santa Ana, Calif. for writing bad checks.

April 1990: Hilton is again arrested in Santa Ana for writing bad checks and for grand theft.

1992: A civil judgment of $83,000 is entered against Hilton and Ilia Dokovich.

March 1993: Hilton pleads guilty in Orange County court to 14 felonies, including 10 counts of grand theft. One charge involves a $20,000 real estate scam, in which Hilton persuaded an associate to give him a deed on property in Long Beach, Calif., saying it was to be used as collateral on a loan, then sold the property to someone else. According to the AP, he spends six years in prison in California.

1999: A small claims judgment is entered against Hilton for $3,979.

2000: the same plaintiff obtans another small claims judgment against Hilton in Los Angeles County, this one for $1,852.


-snip
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/ameri...



Reporter-Turned-APF-Flack: "I Made A Great Career Choice"
Zachary Roth | October 1, 2009, 12:07PM




Reporters who go to work in public relations often encounter a bit of skepticism from their former colleagues (see Wolffe, Richard.) But that skepticism may be especially pronounced when the company on whose behalf the former reporter is spinning is a mysterious private security force that has won a contract to take over an empty jail and won't reveal the source of its backing, and whose leader shows up in town wearing a military-style uniform, offering three Mercedes SUVs for use by local law enforcement, and dragging a long criminal record, including jail time for fraud, behind him.

Meet Becky Shay, the American Police Force's new director of public relations. Shay had been a reporter for 20 years, and had been covering the APF story for the Billings Gazette. She filed her last story Thursday night, apparently without telling her editors that she had been in negotiations for a job with the company she was covering. Then she abruptly quit the paper and announced that she had signed on with APF.

In an interview yesterday with Montana news channel KULR, Shay seemed to have no regrets. "Here I am feeling the best I've ever felt about myself," she said. "At a great point in my life."

Shay downplayed the spate of negative publicity her new employer has received in recent days, saying she had done her own vetting of APF and learned things the company won't say publicly. "I am absolutely positive I made a great career choice," she said.

What did it take to walk away from her reporting career? "My terms were: I don't want the moon and the stars, but I'd like to be able to see them from the patio," Shay said. KULR adds that she's making $60,000 dollars a year, and received a signing bonus, a brand new company car and help making the down payment on a new home.

-snip

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/repor...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:22 PM
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120. more
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:08 PM
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102. This whole thing sounds like an episode of "Jericho".
America; supplying you with the best mercenaries money can buy.
How long before that becomes the official slogan of the US?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:28 PM
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109. More like an episode of the Sopranos
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:46 PM
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114. That fits too.
Either way, I think that I might consider leaving that town if I lived there.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:21 PM
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104. K & R...good work!
This needs to go viral..
Send it out to everyone on your mailing lists too please...
Blackwater...policing America now! Shit!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:27 PM
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108. Holy shit. Shit shit shit. nt
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BrainGlutton23 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:32 PM
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110. What?! Nonsense! There IS no Blackwater!
It's now Xe.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:40 PM
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112. Amazing what a little digging will conjure up. n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:56 PM
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116. Remember the "kooky" Texas District Attorney that indicted Gonzales & Cheney
Cheney's indictment on a charge of engaging in an organized criminal activity criticizes the vice president's investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds interests in the private prison companies running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees because of his link to the prison companies.

Megan Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Cheney, declined to comment on Tuesday, saying that the vice president had not yet received a copy of the indictment.

The indictment accuses Gonzales of using his position while in office to stop an investigation in 2006 into abuses at one of the privately-run prisons.

Gonzalez's attorney, George Terwilliger III, said in a written statement, "This is obviously a bogus charge on its face, as any good prosecutor can recognize. Hopefully, competent Texas authorities will take steps to reign in this abuse of the criminal justice system."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6119459.html


There's more money in prisons than there is in hotels or condos - they have a forced occupancy so the cost of their stay is always paid and is a guarantee PLUS, the don't votes, they have no rights so no one cares how they are treated.

The Grand Ole Pyramid scheme party. Have to take advantage of those public funds made when piratization better manages the services.



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:32 PM
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123. Thank you, merh. Outstanding memory, yours.


"Grand Ole Pyramid," indeed.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:46 PM
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125. That is the perfect image!
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 03:46 PM by merh
I'm stealing it of course.

I worked in corrections, fought against the "who cares they don't vote" mentality and did what I could to protect civil rights.

When you see the stuff from the inside it is as if you stared into the sun, you are forever wounded by the truth, the images are seared into your soul.

I would bet that whatever is going on in Montana is a private corp getting ready to take on GITMO detainees and that highly connected GOPers are connected. That is why they are making it so hard to close GITMO, there is a January 2010 deadline and campaign promise to keep. Force the hand, leave the admin with no other choice and bill the living hell out of the government - after all, they are terrorists.



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Selena Harris Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:54 AM
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153. Dead prisoners policies?
I just wonder if life policies can be taken out on the prisoners,like the dead janitor policies of Wells Fargo and WalMart?

They are basically a tax dodge that pays out to the corporation when the insured dies.

Also, the latest WallStreet voodoo is "Viaticals"-betting on how soon or later someone will die.

Seems a sure bet,when prisoners are involved.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:20 PM
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118. knr
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:22 PM
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119. Oh Goody...
A private heavily armed militia is operating inside the United States with a mandate to incarcerate American citizens.

Thank. You. Dick.

Remind me again - which political party is chock full of fascists?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:30 PM
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122. This is troubling on many levels.
Then, again, we trust Blackwater to run the CIA. Right?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:34 PM
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124. Whose that "we" you're referring to, Octafish?
;) I'm shocked that someone with that extensive of a criminal background could even get involved in a mercenary co. You'd think ATF would be all over this.
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kooljerk666 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:01 PM
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128. Freelance Police.......well thats nothing new........
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:04 PM
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129. K&R
:kick:
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:09 PM
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130. so what
tiny town, montana gets a big cash injection and now you know where gitmo detainees go when the army is done with them
good americans have nothing to fear and great americans approve
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:34 PM
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132. I must not be a great American then.
Because I sure as hell don't want the same company on our streets as the one that killed 11 people in the Baghdad square.

No, it's not great Americans you might be talking about. Just uninformed.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:38 PM
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133. great Americans approve?
Name one.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:02 PM
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134. one great american
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 06:06 PM by tiny elvis


seriously, what authority is disapproving?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:07 PM
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140. Are you being serious?
And if you are, why are you here?
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:43 PM
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147. no course not
but seriously, what authority is disapproving?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:45 AM
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150. The Montana Attorney General is disapproving
In case you aren't aware, the whole project has been exposed as a con-artist's scam. There is no Blackwater. No private military. No fleet of Mercedes SUVS. No wad of cash.

Read:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns...
http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/artic...
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:13 PM
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141. .
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kleec Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:29 PM
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131. Really
Oh terrific we really need this, I am so sick of Blackwater and everything they stand for.

:grr:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:20 PM
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137. With the power to wiretap everyone, it shouldn't be hard to fill prisons. Can you spell POLICE STAT
E?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:33 PM
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138. OH FUCK. That is scary.
Corporate run police?
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:35 PM
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139. almost time to keep my fucking mouth shut so i don't get taken to the camps
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:19 PM
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142. STOP EVERYTHING
and read the article linked to in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Cincy.Capell Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:48 PM
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143. Tin Foil Hat Time......
Ladies & Gents you are embarrassing me. You are acting like a bunch of freeepers. Take off your tin foil hats and calm down folks, American Police Force isnt a front for Blackwater, its a front for a con man. The link below has a great real life history/description of this clown/con man:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:52 PM
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144. Welcome to DU
Yes. The APF is a con.

What brings you here on this fine day?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:11 PM
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145. The new Gitmo.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:14 PM
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146. No
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:45 PM
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148. Anyone here ever played 'Shadowrun?'
Lone-Star, anyone?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:46 PM
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149. Holy shit. nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 08:02 AM
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152. Could the imates for that empty prison possibly be from Gitmo?
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