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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:22 AM Original message |
Animal Farm. How isn't that about government, in general? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yep |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Do you see it differently now? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You are only looking at the part the animals played, not the farmer |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What am I missing? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Two things |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Well? Don't leave me hanging. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm pretty sure it was only about the perils |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's clear that's what Orwell intended; but Art sometimes contains more than the creator intended |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And now? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. And now what? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Do you think it just applied to Communism? Or doe it have a much |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I think it could be applied to any totalitarian regime |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's about any system |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Maybe the anarchists |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That too |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. They're the other side of the spectrum. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Screw communism, Anarchy is the true ideal system |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Is not. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I thought that Anarchists were against private property? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Perhaps academically. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Exactly. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. In a lot of ways, Animal Farm is more real than 1984. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. More real? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Loved the way it was shown how they were always fighting against |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. 1984 is more of what is going on in general. I was speaking of the teabaggers |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Its been ages since I read the book, but as I recall it was the puppies that changed the game |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Yes, the pigs stole the puppies. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. It's like Alice in Wonderland, the way those ideas were presented so |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. The theme is that power corrupts, and former reformers become despots, if allowed. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Yes. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Like you, I don't think the type of governance is germane to the point. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
22. When we were kids in school we were told it was about communism - |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Class training vs. ferral understanding. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. True it could be applied to any power structure |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Agreed. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Actually, that is totalitarianism, not communism. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
26. Totalitarianism is most accurate. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Thanks. That is what I suspected. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
27. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Term limits, and the avoidance of dual office holding. |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
32. George Orwell wrote from a perspective of wartime GB. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I like. Thumbs up. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. I think it's pretty obvious that Orwell was drawing specfically from the Russian Revolution |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. A very diplomatic response. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Here's something I wrote in 2002 comparing Bush's America with Animal Farm |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
45. It wasn't about "anti-Communism." Orwell was a Trotskyite who deplored Stalin's dictatorship. |
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