Anti-abortion group wants to make birth-control illegal in Florida

[cynatnite]

TALLAHASSEE -- A nationwide anti-abortion group launched an effort in Florida Friday to outlaw all abortions and certain types of birth control, including oral contraceptives and the morning-after pill.

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The amendment seeks to outlaw all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest. Also criminalized: the morning-after pill and oral contraceptives taken by women, known as the pill. "There are some (birth control) methods that kill a child," said Pat McEwan, who is leading the Personhood Florida group.

The amendment faces extremely long odds. First, supporters must gather 676,811 signatures to make the ballot -- by Feb. 1, to go before voters in 2010.

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Supporters say they're pushing the personhood amendment not only in Florida, but in a dozen other states.

At a press conference in Tallahassee, speakers blamed abortion for the financial insolvency of Social Security and the bankruptcy of American auto manufacturers, citing the millions of terminated pregnancies since Roe. v. Wade as costing the nation citizens and customers. They also said that a fetus is a person and should be given protections of law.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/09/antiabortion-group-wants-to-make-birthcontrol-illegal-in-florida.html

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. So they're biggest valuation of people relates solely to their value as a consumer?

Typical rightwing shitbags.

All about the money.

So for those of us who try not to be consumerists - would they be in favor of post-birth abortions? Eliminate we who refuse to buy a new car every year, or spend all our income on shit we don't need?

[enlightenment]

2. *Sigh*

:banghead:

I despair for this country, I really do. The stupidity is growing exponentially.

[Shallah Kali]

20. It's been here right along. It is just being exposed publically much more often

women's rights groups have been fighting the likes of these for decades.

Just 3 years ago a woman in the Bush admin. fought to keep Emergency Contraception from being sold over the counter arguing that teens would form sex cults around the drug and have orgies so they could use it:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2006/04/26/teen_sex_cults/

"we could not anticipate, or prevent extreme promiscuous behaviors such as the medication taking on an 'urban legend' status that would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults centered around the use of Plan B."

[Kadie]

3. Oh my head hurts.

What a day it has been.

K&R

[givemebackmycountry]

4. Man...

What I have done in my life that I find myself in such a stupid, back-wards, God Fearing, twisted state.
These fuckers, they will NEVER give up.

[SoCalNative]

5. Why is it ALWAYS Florida?

They seem to breed their own brand of crazy there.

[Luminous Animal]

10. Colorado anti's tried this last year and they are going to try again next year.

Though they aren't so blatant about their optimal goal. It will be coming to your state, as well.

[BlueDemKev]

6. What a stupid argument

Many of these "new" citizens which didn't come to be would have been on welfare or quite a bit of time in jail. That would have drained even more money from the public coffers and the Washington politicians probably would have pulled from the Social Security trust fund to help pay for it.

[Luminous Animal]

7. I've been banging my head on the wall for 3 decades trying to convince

pro-life-placating liberals that this has been the anti-choicer's goal all along... to destroy women's reproductive autonomy. People need to listen to our "canaries in the coal mines". (I.e., madfloridian's posts on charters schools.)

[ShadowLiberal]

8. Ironically abortion probably does just the opposite for fiscal solvency of that stuff

The facts are that the babies that are aborted are unwanted children, and unwanted children are much more likely to be poorly raised and end up becoming criminals when they're adults. Catching and keeping criminals in jail costs the state money, and obviously people in jail aren't going to pay into social security, or buy cars from American auto manufacturers.

Oh, not to mention their attempt to change the law violates two different supreme court rulings, Roe vs Wade, and I forget the name of the other one, one that established the right of birth control things, such as the morning after pill, etc.

[Ilsa]

9. They want a pyramid scheme to fund Social Security? Idiots. And women

in Florida don't want to do away with birth control. What total assholes.

[droidamus2]

11. Anybody notice

The three things they are attacking abortion, oral contraceptives and the morning after pill are all methods 'women' use to control their reproduction. So if a man wants to use a condom that's alright, maybe not as effective buy that's okay. No way a woman should be allowed the control before, during or after that is what they are saying. It has always been more about control of women than it has been about 'babies'. Pre-RoeVWade I remember hearing a lot of arguments against abortion that were along the lines of 'women shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage if they do and get pregnant that is Gods punishment for them whoring around'. There may have been some groups pushing the fetus is a baby line but I seem to remember that as becoming the main focus after the Roe/Wade decision. They were looking for a message that would play to more peoples emotions as the 'she's a bad girl' thing didn't play that well anymore.

[Mariana]

17. I'm surprised they're not after IUD's, too.

They like to claim that "kills children" by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting.

[Ilsa]

12. That link caused all kinds of invasive pop-ups on my pc. Had to run anti-viral

spyware to mke sure nothing downloaded. I'll probably have to shut down the PC to get rid of that screen.

[cynatnite]

13. I've gone to the link a couple of times and I've gotten nothing...

maybe you need a popup blocker.

[Shallah Kali]

19. I have a popup blocker and it still tried to download. My free antivirus caught it tho

free download through c|net site download.com http://download.cnet.com/Avast-Home-Edition-Free-Antivirus/3000-2239_4-10019223.html?spi=886a8c2ad6bb5cb9615f5892e119320e

[cynatnite]

24. I have that one, too.

It didn't detect anything on my end.

[Ilsa]

25. IE blocked it, but it wouldn't close the windows it popped open. I ran my antiviral software

and then shut down my computer to dump it.

[sharesunited]

14. Persuade on the merits. Don't try to hijack the penal code.

Criminalizing does not give any recognizance to a woman's dominion over her body. And the answer Don't Have Sex is insufficiently responsive to this interest which merits protection in its own right.

[aquart]

15. So? Who gives a shit?

I want single payer healthcare and public hangings for Bush administration officials.

We all have our dreams.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Yes. I remember people like you

when I was doing clinic defense. There is something that conservatives do a lot better than liberals. They take the long view. And they have the support systems to give them the luxury to do so. Religious institutions and corporations have the capability of existing for centuries on accumulating and accumulated wealth and their rules, regulations, and by-laws ensure that their well-compensated administration never keep their eyes off of the prize.

[Lost-in-FL]

16. I don't see anyone picketing in front of pharmaceuticals.

Why don't they ask companies to stop making them? Of course they won't.

[glinda]

18. I am so dismayed at this Country. Sick of these people attempting to control everyone and everything

[Odin2005]

21. Women-hating Regressives.

:puke:

[donheld]

22. Ain't gonna happen