New Footage of the 9/11 WTC Attack

[Christa]

New Footage above of the moment the second plane crashed into the World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001,has been released. These new images are just a few minutes among hundreds of hours of amateur video and images being collected by the National September 11 Memorial and Museum at the World Trade Center which has launched a website containing examples of citizen journalism of the tragedy.

Video in link.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/09/new-footage-of-the-911-wtc-attack.html#more

[MNDemNY]

1. 1

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Wow.

How far away was this camera? Can anyone tell?

[Barack_America]

3. Filmed from some sort of loading dock in New Jersey.

That would be my guess from the video.

[Dennis Donovan]

9. It looks like Brooklyn to me...

Flt 175 came in from the south and the video shows it entering left into frame - this would put the location of the camera to the SSE of the WTC. Brooklyn...;):hi:

[Barack_America]

10. Good point.

I didn't think of the direction of the flight.

[Bolo Boffin]

15. Thanks.

It's definitely in Brooklyn. The site says so, and puts the camera about a mile away.

The paper flying through the air that far away and still going is incredible.

[Jersey Devil]

33. Yes, impossible for it to be NJ

The second tower to be hit was hit from the south which would have put it going right to left into the building if from NJ and not as shown on the video.

Also, that day the wind was blowing from NW which accounts for it being such a clear day and paper would not fly across the Hudson River against the wind.

[SidDithers]

25. Looks like they were almost directly under the smoke plume...

Which way was it blowing immediately after impact?

Sid

Edit: removed undated sat photo.

[Jersey Devil]

37. Wind from the NW, towards Brooklyn, pretty stiff wind too

with Hurricane Erin offshore it was sucking wind into NYC from the west, northwest

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html

[Bushknew]

42. Why did you remove your satellite photo? So what if it wasn't dated?

[SidDithers]

46. Because without a date, it told us nothing about where the smoke plume...

was going immediately after the towers were hit. I didn't want to confuse the issue, by posting irrelevant data.

(FWIW, the sat pic showed the smoke plume heading out over New Jersey, so it was almost certainly taken on another date, when the winds were blowing in a different direction)

Sid

[Dennis Donovan]

4. "This shit came from over there..."

The woman at the end was pretty stunned when she realized the document she was holding came from the WTC miles away.:(

[create.peace]

11. the papers floating down was what got me....

moments before they were on someones desk.

[Critters2]

27. What got me was that the papers were singed.

And yeah, just sitting on someone's desk, someone thinking it was a normal work day.

[Barack_America]

5. I gave this its 5th rec.

Took me a while to decide if I was going to rec it.

I know I should watch these videos for historical purposes, but it's hard.

[tammywammy]

12. The History Channel had the documentary on last year

Where they took people's videos, 911 calls, radio air play, etc and put it into a real-time play by play. It's beautifully done, chilling.

I looked it up, it's called "102 Minutes that Changed America".

http://www.history.com/content/9-11

[NatBurner]

43. *

place holder for later

[tammywammy]

44. They're probably showing it tonight

I really recommend it. There are some of the video clips on their website, but the whole movie, it's just...horrifying really.

The only other documentary I've seen was the one that those French film-makers were doing already when 9/11 happened. They were filming a firehouse and followed them into the towers after they were hit. It was graphic, you could hear the bodies of people landing after they jumped and it showed people jumping as well.

[MagickMuffin]

48. You are correct 102 Minutes will be airing tonight 8:00 CDST

and again @ midnight.

I don't think I've seen this footage, I did see the French doc, and yes it was very disturbing. :cry:

[tammywammy]

51. Yes, it was

I really didn't want to watch this last year. I really didn't, I didn't want to cry and be upset and remember how scared I was and I lived in Las Colinas at the time. I didn't watch the first run through, I watched the repeat. And it made me cry and I was horrified and I felt so bad for those people, the ones that died and the people taping this and the people being taped. I just cannot imagine what it was like in that city, and at one point the couple in SoHo, you hear the mom or dad telling their child to go back into their bedroom. It was just heart breaking. I don't know if I'm going to watch it tonight or not.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Good example of Physics too ,I can't believe how far that paper flew...

intact.Seeing the reflection of that headlight in the windows was disturbing to think of those people that must of seen it coming.

[Barack_America]

14. Seriously. Where did all the paper come from?

How was it not incinerated?

The paper. That's what I take away from this video.

[orpupilofnature57]

20. What about the stuff floating over their heads?

[WeDidIt]

7. Wow

I'm speechless

[Bushknew]

8. They should release all the video of the Pentagon crash.

[Echo In Light]

19. Never happen for obvious reasons.

[Bushknew]

29. It's curious that 8 years later & we haven't seen any of that.

[Echo In Light]

31. Well a few yrs back there was a bogus claim of attempting to debunk by releasing a few still pics

... that clearly do not show a 757 ... although difficult to say exactly what it is you're looking at in those pics, that, if I recall, had been released prior to the 'big claim' of releasing them, and each had the wrong date, Sept 12th, in the lower frame.

[Bushknew]

39. Well, they said they would release some video after the Kaleid Sheikh Mohammed trial but

the video was never released.

[dysfunctional press]

38. i know somebody who personally witnessed the plane hitting the pentagon.

i have no doubts about what happened there- but you're welcome to any misguided ones that you might have.

[Bushknew]

40. I know somebody who knows somebody who has seen it as well. I'd like to see

ALL of the Pentagon videos released just the same.

[Echo In Light]

41. I know someone who saw what hit it, and says it wasn't a 757

[dysfunctional press]

53. what do they say that it was..?

my friend from dc isn't that proficient re: the differences between various passenger jets- but it was definitely a commercial airliner that struck the building.

[helderheid]

32. I was just thinking that.

[S_E_Fudd]

65. I have two friends who witnessed the plane hit the Pentagon...

It was hit by a plane...plain and simple...

If anyone says otherwse they are lying, delusional or trying to make money!

[byronius]

13. Intense footage.

[KansDem]

16. And for this Bush couldn't get up off his ass and do something?

There's something terribly wrong here...

[The Straight Story]

17. But some folks in the dungeon have told me there were no planes

Obviously this video and all the eye-witnesses were paid off :)

[Name removed]

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[Liberation Angel]

18. The jet was targeted to make the building fall (Bush Cheney planning)

The way it slices through the corner of the building shows that it seemed to be TRYING ta make the building topple and kill far more people.

I believe that this was TREASON at the highest levels.

The war in Afghanistan is all a lie.

If Obama believes this lie, he is either a fool, ignorant, or complicit.

I hope it is one of the first two options.

[robcon]

22. I think your post is nonsense, LibAngel.

n/t

[SidDithers]

28. +1...

most of that posters posts, fwiw.

Sid

[Lagomorph]

68. +2

sheesh!

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

24. The war in Iraq is all for a lie. You're already on my buddy list. Imagine that

rather, my reverse buddy list

[Echo In Light]

26. The part presuming 'they' wanted a higher # killed ...

Basically I agree with you. However, try looking at it from this perspective:

had the perps actually wanted a significantly higher body count, it was common knowledge that the buildings would have had thousands more inside by later in the day. Instead, the exact opposite was chosen, reducing that number.

Food for thought.

[FarCenter]

35. I think that they thought that the buildings would either stand or topple over

After the WTC bombing in the '90s, I recall discussing with someone working at Wall and Broad whether the nearest tower would reach that far if it fell over.

One's intution would be that a tower would fall over (all those years of playing with blocks), or that it would catch on fire (the B-25 collision with the Empire State Building and movies like Towering Inferno).

In don't think that anyone expected that the upper floors of the buildings would pancake down and result in shearing of joists form the periphery of the building, leading to a total collapse. But of course, that's what happened to the towers due to their design with a strong peripheral tube and a strong central core.

[Ezlivin]

55. No one expected the building to collapse

You are exactly right. It was one of the best-engineered skyscrapers that America ever built.

It's amazing to watch a damaged section of several stories pile drive through 70+ undamaged stories of structural steel as if it didn't exist. It was amazing to see all of that steel (the 47 massive inner columns and the 244 peripheral columns) simply fail altogether at once. Even when the top of the South Tower tipped over it didn't keep tipping but vanished into a cloud of dust and fell straight down.

As the chief engineer John Skilling said in 1964: "Live loads on these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."

Many, many people were astonished to see the buildings fall like that, particularly since they had different degrees of asymmetrical damage.

[Ghost Dog]

57. So unexpected as to be unbelievable,

in fact.

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[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

54. Sure.....

Because it wouldn't be possible for evil to exist on two opposite sides of a coin.

[abumbyanyothername]

23. The papers always move me because

some of the closing sets I prepared for deals I did were in the towers.

Some in the offices of Brown and Wood (North Tower) and some in the offices of Thacher Proffitt (South Tower).

[Capn Sunshine]

49. I agree, the papers are very powerful for me

I had many business associates at Cantor Fitz, although we were on opposite coasts and never met in person. We cleared a lot of paper with them.

[Toucano]

30. Meanwhile...

[Maine-ah]

34. jesus christ. I still get goose bumps and cry when I see that shit.

It's been a few years since I've watched any video of it. It still does the same thing to me. Holy effin shit.

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. Me too! Crying right now. :^(

[alfredo]

36. I commented

[Christa]

47. I have to add this image from NASA

edited to make it smaller

[renate]

67. wow... incredible picture n/t

[Libertas1776]

50. Sickening

to the pit of my stomach. And that was very unsettling when he picked up that burnt piece of paper that had made its way all the way to Brooklyn. All that paper just floating down. My god. My god.

[Crabby Appleton]

52. That's taken from near the corner of Degraw St & Van Brunt St,

Brooklyn New York, NY

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=Degraw+St+%2F&ie=UTF8&radius=0.5&sll=40.68399,-74.00219&sspn=0.007762,0.01899&rq=1&ev=zi&ll=40.686219,-74.003756&spn=0.007761,0.01899&t=h&z=16

[Wiley50]

56. Remember that the Bush and Bin Laden families have been friends/business partners for over 40 years

Salem Bin Laden, Osama's late brother was the main investor in shrub's first oil company.

So I tend to think the attack itself was legit but arranged.

Also remember that a mysterious elevator company who had no previous jobs or any since, had a contract to remodel the elevators in the towers They had elevators closed for repair for 18 months before the attack. Plenty of time to access the mechanical crawl space between each floors and wire the towers for demolition.

Buildings don't pancake at near free fall speed without lots of help.
And the super thermite residue that has been identified in the dust and fragments as well as molten steel that lingered for months pretty much proves that theory.

Bush and Cheney got what they wanted : an excuse for war
Bin Laden got what he wanted: a recruitment tool par excellence

They must not get away with this mass murder and the mass murder in Iraq/ Afghanistan

[Mnemosyne]

58. What is the moving white object at 00:04 - 00:06? Anyone know? Thanks. knr n/t

[Ghost Dog]

63. Whatever it is, it apears to continue "drifting" to the right,

onto next building, as if unaffected by neither impact nor initial blast, at least as far as 00:14...

What is that? Surely not just a sheet of paper from the first tower.

[Mnemosyne]

66. Just find something strange about it, it definitely isn't floating paper... n/t

[rainbow4321]

59. And to think of how many people were told to return to their work area

If I remember correctly, didn't security make an announcement telling workers in that second tower that all was fine and they should not evacuate and/or return to their work area?
How many could have made it below the inpact area and possibly been able to get out... :-(
I never understood that part...a building within spitting distance is in a ball of flames and you tell the workers in the second building to just hang tight???????????????

[musette_sf]

61. yes, after the first plane hit WTC1

there were announcements that people in WTC2 should stay in place and not evacuate, and that those who had evacuated should go back to their offices.

the assumption was that the event was over, and that people evacuating from a building not affected would hinder the evacuation process of WTC1.

i do think it was a logical assumption, for about 17 minutes.

**

in 2005, i was working on Post St in SF, when a huge explosion right outside made the building rock.

having had family working at the WTC complex who left right away on 9/11/01, i can tell you i didn't wait to find out what it was. i was out of the building and on BART within 10 minutes (i figured if it was really bad i had better get on BART before they shut it down.)



http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2005/08/19/chronicle/archive/2005/08/19/BAsfexplosion19.html

after the WTC, i was never going to second guess huge explosions right outside my window.

i could always work at home if it was ultimately not a disaster, but i know that sometimes you don't get a second guess.

[burrowowl]

62. Interesting!

[ellie]

64. It is shocking

how fast the second plane was moving. I have seen the footage over and over and it is just insane.