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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 03:46 PM
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Years of OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE E-MAILS go missing. Five Million E-Mails Lost??
Can anything be more incredulous?
What now, a 5-million-count indictment? Against a minor IT technician?? RIGHT.

This will lead to 5 million news stories.

SO, let's make this a SUMMARY THREAD for links to Press and DU posts/discussions, in the model of the previous scandal's thread:

Email-Gate FACTS: Felons, georgewbush.com, gwb43.com , et. al.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978

Cross-post your new DU threads here. Discuss this on those threads. Build a chronological history of this new scandal here (with great keywords to raise this to a high search engine rank).

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Here is a first thread:

Triana Fri Apr-13-07 11:09 AM
5 Million Emails Deleted? Subpoena Karl Rove!
Discussion at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x647202

From Democrats.com - petition to Congress:
http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/106
_ _ _ _ _

On Thursday, the White House said it simply "lost" 5 million emails from 2003 to
2005, plus "thousands" more from RNC accounts.

You don't believe it? Neither does Senator Pat Leahy, chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee. Watch his astonished and angry reaction:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041207A.shtml

Let's hope Leahy is right - that the "deleted" emails can be retrieved.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 03:49 PM
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1. My guess: Al Qaeda has them....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 03:50 PM
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2. DU KoKo01: CNN Reporting Rove's Attorney Admits that Fitzgerald correct re Missing E-Mails in 2003
KoKo01 Fri Apr-13-07 02:12 PM
CNN Reporting Rove's Attorney Admits that Fitzgerald correct re Missing E-Mails in 2003
Discuss at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x648808


CNN just has Ed Henry reporting that Emails related to Fitzgerald's investigation were missing and showed Fitzgeralds statement about missing Emails. Also showed Melanie Sloan (CREW) talking about how many emails were missing from the Executive Office in those crucial years from 2003-2005.

Ed Henry's report was good but of course Wolfie referred to CREW as "Liberal" Watch Dog Group who is representing the Wilson's in law suit against Libby and Andrea Koppel .......

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:14 PM
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3. DU kpete: (CREW) asked Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to reopen his investigation of Karl Rove'
kpete Fri Apr-13-07 02:52 PM
CREW WRITES PATRICK FITZGERALD ASKING TO RE-OPEN ROVE CASE IN LIGHT OF MISSING EMAILS
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13 Apr 2007 // Washington, DC - Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) asked Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to reopen his investigation of Karl Rove's role in disclosing Valerie Plame Wilson's status as a covert CIA operative in light of recent revelations about missing White House email. ...

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CREW serves as legal counsel to Joe and Valerie Wilson in their civil suit against Karl Rove, Vice President Dick Cheney, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and Richard Armitage.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27630
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:20 PM
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4. DU dajoki: Asked about reports that as many as 5 million e-mail messages missing. "We're looking in
dajoki Fri Apr-13-07 12:52 PM
Asked about reports that as many as 5 million e-mail messages missing. "We're looking into that."
Discuss: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3214659


White House 'Screwed Up,' Attempts to Locate Missing E-Mails
White House Officials Acknowledge Thousands of E-Mails in Fired Prosecutor Investigation May Be Lost
By JOHN HENDREN - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3037893&page=1

April 13, 2007 There are questions swirling again today about one of the most powerful men in the Bush administration. The White House found itself in the uncomfortable position of defending its handling of e-mails that could relate to the firings of the eight U.S. attorneys, saying that although some messages have been deleted, they were handled with the "utmost integrity."

The missing e-mails, which could number in the millions, include exchanges from some of the Bush administration's highest ranking members.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:23 PM
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5. Roves Lawyer Acknowledges Rove Emails From 2003 Missing From White House Archives
Roves Lawyer Acknowledges Rove Emails From 2003 Missing From White House Archives
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/13/rove-missing-emails

In its report documenting the White Houses destruction of five million emails, CREW also reminded us that in January 2006, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald informed the Scooter Libby defense team that some of Roves emails from his White House account in 2003 were not saved as required by federal law. The key portion of Fitzgeralds letter:

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With respect to Roves White House account, federal law requires the preservation of all such messages. Missing emails could be a violation of the Presidential Records Act. The revelations first reported by Patrick Fitzgerald, now given new life because of the firings of eight U.S. attorneys, raise questions about whether the public is getting the full story on these or other White House scandals.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:30 PM
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6. Wired.com: White House Missing Five Million Emails
White House Missing Five Million Emails
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/04/white_house_mis_1.html

The White House "lost" roughly five million emails from 2003 to 2005, according to a report (.pdf) yesterday by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

The report relies on two unnamed sources to arrive at the estimated figure, which refers to emails on White House servers. The Bush administration has already fessed up to losing emails about key political deliberations that took place on outside accounts. Critics believe outside emails were used to avoid scrutiny and an obvious paper trail in discussing the firings of eight U.S. Attorneys.

CREW says that Bush did away with a key piece of technology Clinton used to preserve internal emails. Called the Automated Records Management System (ARMS), it automatically stores all correspondence.Even so, some 246,000 Clinton emails were lost. This snafu gave the current administration an excuse to discontinue ARMS and, in 2006, kill a project designed to replace it, leaving behind a storage system that looked positively stone-age, according to the report:

"The only email retention process in use by the White House consists of extracting email messages from the email system and saving them in large, undifferentiated files on a file server."

The Bush administration apparently knew the system was flawed but did nothing. End result: five million emails lost. According to CREW, this is a massive violation of the Presidential Records Act, .....

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:50 PM
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7. whitehouse.gov: Press Briefing by Dana Perino 1:41 P.M. EDT
Press Briefing by Dana Perino = 1:41 P.M. EDT
White House Conference Center Briefing Room
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070413-6.html

Play Video Video (Windows)

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MS. PERINO: Good afternoon. Happy Friday. Okay, I don't have anything to announce. I'll just go to questions.

Q Have you been able to determine why Karl Rove's ability to delete emails was --

MS. PERINO: No, not between the gaggle and now, I haven't.

Q Okay. How about the list of the 22 officials; are you ready to release that?

MS. PERINO: No, but we've taken it under consideration. No, I don't have that ready yet, but we are consulting -- obviously, we're in communication with the committee, meaning the House Judiciary Committee, as well as the RNC general counsel. And so a lot of these things are being discussed at that level. And so in between 10 a.m. and now I wasn't able to get a conclusion.

..............

Q Dana, if I could follow. We have mentioned before the group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. They issued this report, and they are saying their analysis shows that between March 2003-October 2005, there were hundreds of days in which emails were missing -- this being in the White House system, not the RNC -- and that this equated -- it was estimated that roughly over 5 million email messages were missing.

MS. PERINO: I don't know if that group actually has -- I don't know how they do an analysis on an internal White House system. But I did check it out, and we are in communication with the Office of Administration to see if there are days or partial days when there were emails that would have gone missing. And in terms of -- "missing" is a word that -- maybe misplaced, or not necessarily lost forever. I think there are backup tapes, there are different ways in order to go back and find emails.

And in talking with them and with the Counsel's Office, there is no indication that anyone who is working on a server or in terms of technical capability that would be able to look at a server, clean up a server, or, in terms of when we converted from Lotus Notes to Microsoft Outlook if there would have been any potential loss there, that there was any intentional loss of any document. I think that those folks take those jobs very seriously and endeavor to make sure that all of the records are preserved for the Presidential Records Act, as well as the Federal Records Act.

Q So, just to be clear, are you taking issue with their conclusions, or are you just saying --

MS. PERINO: I'm not taking issue with their conclusions at this point. We're checking into them. And, again, there's 1,700 people in the Executive Office of the President. I don't know how -- we'll try to find out how many emails a day are sent with that many people. I can assure you it's a high number. But I also will tell you that the technical folks that we've spoken to in the preliminary discussions was that if there had been an inadvertent human error or a technical problem where there were days where emails might have been misplaced, that either, one -- well, one, it wouldn't have been intentional; and, two, there are ways that we can try to gather those if need be.

Think about it. I mean, there are sometimes -- and I don't have a list of the days with me -- but if it was a Saturday or a Sunday, oftentimes because we have such a large organization that works 24/7, but mostly Monday through Friday, if they do any maintenance on our servers, just like in your organizations, they often do it on times when it's slow -- slow periods. And so if they are looking at those days -- we just need to do a little bit more work before I can answer definitively.

Q So, to your knowledge, there's no problem within the White House email system, in terms of messages or emails that have been deleted? Or at this point, you just don't know?

MS. PERINO: No, what I'm saying is that -- the way that the system is set up, and the way to comply with the Presidential Records Act is that any email that goes to or from a White House account, an EOP account that you all email us on, those are automatically preserved. Their question was specific not to GWB emails but to White House account emails, and their question is -- the allegations that there could be days, whole days missing.

And what I'm saying is, we're looking into that. But I would caution people from making any broad conclusions about that, for the reasons I've stated -- which is, there's no indication that that would have been intentional, and there are ways that you can find missing emails. And that's one of the ways that they do that. I'm not a technical expert, but they have the expertise on that.

Q Just a quick follow here. They alleged that White House Counsel Harriet Miers was informed of this problem at the time, these missing emails, and that they -- that she didn't do anything about it or the White House didn't do anything about it. Are you aware of that, or --

MS. PERINO: I haven't spoken to Harriet. Obviously, she's no longer working here. But we are -- Scott Stanzel and I are working to find as much information as possible, and we're talking to the Office of Administration. Remember, sometimes -- we don't have the same personnel, necessarily, that we had three or four years ago. So we're working to get the answers for you.

Q Dana, can we go back broadly for just one moment?

MS. PERINO: Okay.

Q You've had a change of policy here. Why?

MS. PERINO: Well, as I said, this -- now stepping back away from that particular problem on EOP emails and talking about, specifically about GWB RNC-hosted accounts, out of an abundance of caution at the beginning of the administration, there were two basic notices, in terms of policy, on this issue. One was, official White House business should be done on official White House accounts.

The second one was -- and it was much more extensive -- how an individual who has responsibilities in both the political and the official worlds would avoid violating the Hatch Act. And that was very explicit, and the Hatch Act says you cannot use a government-issued computer or any sort of government-issued equipment, which is paid for by taxpayer dollars, to do any sort of political business. And so out of an abundance of caution, and because people were concerned about violating the Hatch Act, and because of convenience, in terms of managing multiple devices, as the BlackBerrys became more ubiquitous, the policy wasn't always followed correctly.

And so we decided that the best thing to do was to let you know that, and to, secondly, have a new policy, one that makes it much more clear and gives the employee much more clear guidance. There was a failing both on not having a clear guidance, not having good management or overseeing of the issue, and then individuals not following through on the guidance.

Again, I think it was more -- I don't think it was intentional, and there's no indication that there was anything improper or improper use of these RNC emails. But it is better now to have a clearer policy in which people know exactly where the lines are, and if they have questions about whether they fall in the gray area and where the line is, the Counsel's Office has let them know that their door is open and that they're happy to help them make those judgments.

Q Could you enunciate what that policy is and when it went into effect?

MS. PERINO: It was recently, only in the last couple weeks or so, I think.

Q And what is that policy?

MS. PERINO: I think it's what I've just described to you, which is that you still need -- that White House business still needs to be done on White House official accounts; political -- I see your point -- political affairs business needs to be done on your RNC account. We want to make sure that people aren't using government-sponsored -- or government-paid-for equipment to do political business, but that, out of an abundance of wanting to make sure we're complying with the Presidential Records Act, that you should figure out a way to preserve those documents, so either by printing them out or saving them in some way on your computer or CC-ing yourself so that if, in the future, at any time the Counsel's Office needs to review those documents, they are available.

Q Dana, I'm unclear on -- you said the policy wasn't always followed before. But then is there an indication of wrongdoing there, and violation of the Hatch Act?

MS. PERINO: I think the way to describe it would be that there's no indication that anyone was intentionally not following the policy. I think that the policy wasn't very clear, and that people needed a clearer policy. And especially because technology changed pretty rapidly. I think people at the White House -- and I don't know about you all -- but we didn't have access to BlackBerrys until well after -- right around after September 11th. And then at that point, it was only a very few people. And now it's much more widespread.

Q Are you certain there was no violation of the Hatch Act? I mean, you just said the policy wasn't always followed. So what does that mean, exactly?

MS. PERINO: I don't know of anybody that violated the Hatch Act.

Q Whether it was intentional or not --

MS. PERINO: I don't know of anyone that violated the Hatch Act or would have intentionally violated the Hatch Act.

Q Dana, just following up on that, two questions. First, at the outset of the administration you had this policy. Were there ethics trainings? Was it just a written policy that was distributed? How was the policy communicated to your staff?

MS. PERINO: I've worked here a long time; I can't remember. I do know that we get a written policy. I do know that -- and there is ethics training for everyone. I can't remember specifically how this was described in that ethics training.

Q And then you said -- actually, three questions. You said there wasn't enough oversight of the policy. Whose job is it to oversee that people were adhering to this policy? Who fell down on the job?

MS. PERINO: That's a good question. I don't specifically know. I think it was more a definition of senior staff, senior management.

Q And then with respect to Karl, Henry Waxman, after his meeting with the RNC, or his aide's meeting with the RNC lawyer yesterday, wrote a letter stating that the committee had, in 2005, adopted a policy specifically aimed at Karl Rove, that precluded him from manually deleting his emails from the RNC server. Why did the RNC need a special policy for Karl Rove?

MS. PERINO: As I said this morning, there are ongoing discussions between our Counsel's Office and the RNC general counsel, and it's just not something I'm able to answer right now. I understand that you want the answer, I just don't have it for you.

Go ahead, Holly.

Q When you talk about this guidance at the beginning of the administration, our understanding is that Gonzales, when he was in the White House Counsel's Office, he issued some guidance on this. Is that true, and can you release that guidance?

MS. PERINO: Can I look into it?

Q Yes.

MS. PERINO: It would follow that as Counsel to the President and in charge of the ethics counsel -- that's not illogical, but I need to check.

Q Can that be released, so we could actually see what was --

MS. PERINO: We typically have not released internal White House documents, but I'll take a look.

Q The thing is, since you're saying it was unclear, it was confusing, that way we could see for ourselves, and judge it.

MS. PERINO: Yes. Go ahead, John.

Q Have you read or been briefed on the letter from Waxman to Gonzales?

MS. PERINO: I have read the letter.

Q Okay, because at the end it seems to indicate that Rove's email capabilities were changed -- I'm sorry, I don't have the specific language in front of me -- but it seems to indicate that his email capabilities were changed because of an investigation. There's some mention of an investigation.

MS. PERINO: This follows within what Sheryl was asking about, and it's just not something I can answer right now.

Q Do you think that the increased focus on Karl Rove's

email and possibly his emails being missing might give more ammunition to Democrats who want to see him brought up to testify?

MS. PERINO: My experience has been that any time Karl Rove's name is mentioned, it adds to the ammunition, regardless of merit.

Q Do you think it has merit?

MS. PERINO: No comment. Go ahead, Peter.

Q Following up on a question from yesterday, were you able to determine who determined that the emails were missing and how this was determined?

MS. PERINO: Broadly but not specifically, in terms of the Counsel's Office review. I think that's when they realized that that -- remember, the Justice Department has been working to be responsive to the Congress, providing the documents that they ask for. And in one of those documents it showed that a White House employee had sent an email to the Justice Department, and it was from a GWB account. And that's what raised a question about it. There was nothing improper about using that account, but that's where it initiated. And so I think that from there, that's where they started looking into it more.

Q So someone went back and looked into that and found that it and others were missing, is that what you're saying?

MS. PERINO: Well, I'm not saying that anyone said that they were missing. The question is, is there a potential that some could have been lost. And, yes, there is a potential that some could have been lost, but we don't have a definition in terms of that universe or an answer specifically on that, until we are able to talk more about the forensics.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:23 PM
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8. Computerworld -- When an e-mail is deleted, does it really go away?
For missing White House e-mails, experts offer retrieval tips
Deleted e-mails can sometimes leave behind data debris
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=19&articleId=9016599&intsrc=hm_topic


April 13, 2007 (Computerworld) -- When an e-mail is deleted, does it really go away?

That's one of the central questions facing congressional investigators who want to know what happened to e-mails sent by White House staffers using unofficial e-mail accounts run by the Republican National Committee.

White House officials said yesterday that many of the e-mails may have been deleted. Experts said today that may not be exactly true.

Whether it's the congressional inquiry into deleted e-mails among White House officials or similar probes of companies entangled legal troubles, there are a host of tools and techniques that can be used to recover and analyze the data left behind.

These computer forensics tools have helped to uncover and restore long trails of information-filled e-mails in corporate scandals, from the demise of Enron Corp. to the pretexting debacle that hit Hewlett-Packard Co. last year. No matter where the information is stored -- or whether it was created by individuals, government agencies or corporate employees -- the methods used to try to recover data are similar.

Mark Menz, a Sacramento, Calif.-based computer forensics expert, said investigators start with the obvious by looking for deleted e-mails on data center backup tapes. The next steps depend on what e-mail system is being used, he said, whether it is Microsoft Exchange and Outlook, Lotus Notes and Domino, Web-based e-mail systems such as those offered by Yahoo, Microsoft or Google or some other messaging system.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:50 PM
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10. DU CK_John: Who provided the wireless service for the Blackberries/gwb43?
CK_John Fri Apr-13-07 03:49 PM
Who provided the wireless service for the Blackberries/gwb43?
Discuss: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3214960


"Follow the cell towers" will be the meme of Watergate 2.0.

For normal Blackberry use a company in Canada called RIM provides a home base (server) for everyday people. But RIM claims that the RNC had a special deal with RIM that their Blackberry would be route to a gov server. The logs of cell providers, such as AT&T, Verizon, will show where wireless transactions to/from gwb43 started and the path to this gov server.

Hon. Waxman subpoena RIM and the wireless providers and find that hidden government server.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:37 PM
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9. DU babylonsister: Mother Jones: Rove and Co. Broke Federal Law With Email Scam
babylonsister Fri Apr-13-07 04:11 PM
Mother Jones: Rove and Co. Broke Federal Law With Email Scam
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Rove and Co. Broke Federal Law With Email Scam
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/04/4151_rove_and_co_bro.html

Our friends at CREW are back in the news. They've put out a report saying "the Executive Office of the President (EOP) has lost over FIVE MILLION emails generated between March 2003 and October 2005." The White House was apparently given a plan to recover those emails, but has chosen to do nothing. I'm going to go ahead and guess that the plan to uncover those emails will never be undertaken unless done so with the power of a federal subpoena, because those emails were meant to be lost.

But guess what? Turns out, this is all illegal! Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post asked a White House spokesman to read aloud the White House's policy on email retention, and this is what he said:

"Federal law requires the preservation of electronic communications sent or received by White House staff... The official EOP e-mail system is designed to automatically comply with records management requirements."

Federal law? Holy cow! Deleting your emails is a federal offense, and the official email system is designed so emails will never be "accidentally" deleted.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 09:48 PM
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11. DU in_cog_ni_to: 5 MILLION MISSING WHITE HOUSE EMAILS???!!!@#$ WTF? How can you misplace/erase 5 MIL
in_cog_ni_to Fri Apr-13-07 05:24 PM
5 MILLION MISSING WHITE HOUSE EMAILS???!!!@#$ WTF? How can you misplace/erase 5 MILLION emails?
Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x650319


Coming up on CNN "Situation Room" in a few minutes. Wolf just said there's 5 MILLION emails missing and the WH says, "yes, we have a problem." ???? a PROBLEM? I should say so!

I had no idea we were looking a 5 MILLION?????? emails? GEEZUS! How many people are involved in this?? Holy CRAP!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 10:03 PM
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12. Dog ate IT (pun intended): Bush under fire over '5 million' disappearing emails
Bush under fire over '5 million' disappearing emails

Administration accused of dog ate my homework excuses
Jane Hoskyn, vnunet.com, 13 Apr 2007
http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2187749/bush-under-fire-million


The White House has come under fire after losing a reported 5 million official emails, including several relating to the controversial firing of eight US attorneys.

Democrat Patrick Leahy told the Senate: Like the famous 18-minute gap in the Nixon tapes, it appears that key documentation has been erased. This sounds like the Administrations version of the dog ate my homework. You can't erase emails, not today.

The Democrats have also launched an inquiry into whether the US government's reliance on email is a deliberate ploy to avoid keeping records.

Inquiry chairman Henry A. Waxman said yesterday that he had serious concerns about the White Houses compliance with the Presidential Records Act 1978".

A White House spokesman would not tell the Associated Press how many emails were had been lost or what information they contained, but a figure of 5 million is being widely reported......

White House staff have been temporarily banned from deleting any emails from government accounts, and are being briefed on email management.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 10:24 PM
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13. BLOG: Republicans live in a Parallel Universe by Robert Freedland
Republicans live in a Parallel Universe
Posted by Robert Freedland
April 13th, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=5618


Why is it not surprising that the White House is now embroiled in an email controversy over an entirely different set of email accounts run by the Republican National Committee for members of this Administration? A parallel email system to the authorized White House email system.

The Republicans live in a Parallel Universe.

They live in a world where they won the 2000 and 2004 elections. Where election fraud means people voting more than once rather than the thousands of voters suppressed in Florida, Ohio and elsewhere.

They live in a world where the insurgents are in their last throes and it is moral to rewrite global warming data to show that there is not a threat to our planet.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 11:18 PM
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14. WITHOUT A TRACE: The Missing White House Emails and the Violations of the Presidential Records Act
WITHOUT A TRACE: THE MISSING WHITE HOUSE EMAILS AND THE VIOLATIONS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27607

12 Apr 2007 // Washington, DC Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) today has released a report, WITHOUT A TRACE: The Missing White House Emails and the Violations of the Presidential Records Act, detailing the legal issues behind the story of the White House e-mail scandal.

In a startling new revelation, CREW has also learned through two confidential sources that the Executive Office of the President (EOP) has lost over five million emails generated between March 2003 and October 2005. The White House counsels office was advised of these problems in 2005 and CREW has been told that the White House was given a plan of action to recover these emails, but to date nothing has been done to rectify this significant loss of records.

Melanie Sloan, executive director of CREW, said today, Its clear that the White House has been willfully violating the law, the only question now is to what extent? ......

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Related Documents

* 04/12/07: "Without a Trace" Report // 2.6 mb = http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27605
* 04/12/07: "Without a Trace" Executive Summary // 81.7 kb = http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27604
* 04/12/07: "Without a Trace" Exhibits // 4.6 mb = http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27608

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 11:40 PM
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15. LEAHY KNEW? E-mails sought by special prosecutor also missing
Is this something Leahy, et.al., knew from the beginning of e-mailgate? "E-mails sought by special prosecutor also missing"
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CNN story: http://cnn.worldnews.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=White+House%3A+Millions+of+e-mails+may+be+missing+-+CNN.com&expire=&urlID=21936597&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2007%2FPOLITICS%2F04%2F13%2Fwhite.house.email%2F&partnerID=2006


White House: Millions of e-mails may be missing
Story Highlights
NEW: White House spokeswoman says 5 million official e-mails may be missing
White House admits it should have kept e-mails on private GOP system
Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee doubts e-mails are deleted
Committee investigating whether U.S. attorneys' firings were politically motivated

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.

"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.

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E-mails sought by special prosecutor also missing

Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case, disclosed last year that some White House e-mails in 2003 were not saved as standard procedure dictated.

In a January 23, 2006, letter to the defense team of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald wrote: "We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."

Robert Luskin, personal attorney for Rove, told CNN Friday that he "has no reason to doubt" Fitzgerald's assertion that some White House e-mail was missing.

"You're quite right," Luskin said in a telephone interview. "There was a gap there."

Democrats charge this raises questions about whether the public has gotten the full story on everything from the CIA leak case to the fired U.S. attorneys controversy.

"The biggest problem here is really that here is a White House that is deliberately violating an existing statute that requires them to preserve all records," said Sloan.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-14-07 02:07 AM
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16. DU Tandalayo_S: I just looked at the new released emails, and two things leapt out at me:
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Fri Apr-13-07 10:07 AM
I just looked at the new released emails, and two things leapt out at me:
Discuss: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3214163


1. The documents offered up do not have full email headers included. For those who understand such things, email headers are a rich source of information. I do not think that a lack of full email headers in these documents is an mistake.

2. From their format, as supplied, especially as regards how file attachments are shown on them, I would expect that their email server infrastructure is based upon Microsoft Exchange(version unknown). Now, this possibility, taken with the recent CREW information that 5 million emails are missing, tells me something:

5 million emails are missing, out of how many emails? That is hard to divine, but I can say this: this is a very high volume email infrastructure, one that surely has a ton of security. In an Exchange environment like that, you are going to have Exchange bridgehead servers, connectors, routing servers, active directory servers, firewalls, clustering, a number of email stores, IIS servers, service-dedicated servers, ISA servers, SAN storage and a lot more. Plus Blackberry servers. And, most importantly, a dedicated sub-infrastructure of servers for just backups and archiving.

For all these emails to be scrubbed completely is No Small Taters. Either this was the single worst configured and administered Exchange infrastructure in the history of mankind, or one or more people with a very detailed knowledge of Exchange came in, mapped the topology and proceeded to sanitize the system.

There is a third possibility: That the White House and the RNC have decided to stonewall and ignore subpoenas.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-14-07 05:46 AM
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17. Yeah BUT
Rove managed to find THE ONE E-MAIL which got him off the hook for grand jury indictment regarding the Valarie Plame outing investigation...


PHEW...that was a "lucky break" - huh?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-14-07 11:33 AM
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18. TIME: Inside the Bush E-mail Scandal
Edited on Sat Apr-14-07 11:34 AM by L. Coyote
How quickly things have changed thanks to CREW. This Friday article is now completely past history. Will 5,000,000 missing e-mails meet the bar of "evidence of actual obstruction of justice" given part of the missing e-mail is part of the Plame affair, Rove's e-mail!!

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Inside the Bush E-mail Scandal
Friday, Apr. 13, 2007 By MASSIMO CALABRESI/WASHINGTON
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610414,00.html


The White House inadvertently crashed the computers of Senate Judiciary Committee staffers Thursday night with another massive dump of e-mails about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys last year. In all some 2,400 pages of new documents were made available five days before Attorney General Alberto Gonzales appears in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee to give make-or-break testimony in the scandal. With their computers back up and running, Capitol Hill staffers are digging through the pile, looking for new avenues of investigation.

But the White House will not exactly be unhappy if they unearth something, especially if it amounts to nothing more than new evidence that the White House used political considerations in picking which U.S. attorneys to fire. ..... any revelation short of evidence of actual obstruction of justice will be a welcome distraction from the new, much more troubling storyline that the U.S. attorney firings generated this week.

Late Tuesday, the Bush Administration admitted that in reviewing documents requested by Democrats for their investigations, it discovered that as many as 50 of its staffers may have violated the Presidential Records Act.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-14-07 02:03 PM
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19. BLOG Five Million Messages or One Load of BS? = "You dont just screw up "
Five Million Messages or One Load of BS?
by Tom Baker @ 9:29 am
http://www.teambio.org/2007/04/five-million-messages-or-one-load-of-bs/

White House says, and I quote, they screwed up by not making sure the messages were archived.

Bull.

You dont just screw up and not protect your servers. You dont just screw up and archive SOME E-mail but not other E-mail. The way most modern computer systems work you would have to be either grossly negligent or willfully malicious. Im guessing it wasnt repeated instances of stupidity. They certainly seemed to know how to backup other stuff.

Folks let me tell you a little story. I work in IT. Its my job to make sure that E-Mail gets archived and stored securely. It isnt hard. Systems are normally backed up every night and the backups archived periodically. Deleted messages are not, by default, truly deleted. System administrators can normally go back and retrieve the deleted items for some period of time. Its set up that way dear people because we admins know that you the user are, to be blunt, careless and stupid. You delete things all the time that you regret. Dont tell me those 5 million messages are gone.

E-mail leaves a trail. For it to disappear as part of a screw-up and not a cover-up, every copy of the E-mail that anyone received would have to have been deleted. The deleted items would have to have been cleared. The archive system for all the servers that received the E-mail messages would have to have failed. In short, it takes a deliberate, concerted effort to wipe out E-mail. Especially FIVE MILLIONS messages.......


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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 07:52 PM
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20. NY TIMES: Specter Hopes for Deal on White House Testimony
WOW. Note, no mention whatsoever of the 5 million e-mails gone missing. How can years of missing e-mails not fit into the story?

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Specter Hopes for Deal on White House Testimony
By BRIAN KNOWLTON
Published: April 15, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/washington/15cnd-attorney.html

WASHINGTON, April 15 Senator Arlen Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, expressed optimism today that the White House would agree to terms for senior administration officials to meet with lawmakers to discuss the firings of eight United States attorneys, but he said aspects of the dismissals were so troubling that the attorney general should consider reinstating the eight.

Mr. Specter, of Pennsylvania, remained deeply critical of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales for his role in the firings,...

.................

But Mr. Specter said he and the Democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, had reached agreement on Friday with the White House counsel, Fred F. Fielding, on naming an outside expert to help search for the missing e-mails.

He thought it was a good idea, Mr. Specter said on This Week on ABC. He said they have nothing to hide. The senators are to meet Monday with Mr. Fielding, he added.

Mr. Specter said he believed an agreement also could be reached to resolve a dispute on terms for the House and Senate judiciary committees to interview top White House aides, including Mr. Rove and Harriet E. Miers, a former White House counsel.

.............

.... another committee Republican, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, said that it remained to be proved that any United States attorney had been removed to stop a prosecution. So far there is no evidence to that, he said on CNN.

Theres no scandal here, he added.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 09:17 PM
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21. RECOMMENDED leveymg: Why wasn't Rove indicted for Obstruction and Perjury?
leveymg Sun Apr-15-07 06:59 AM
Why wasn't Rove indicted for Obstruction and Perjury?
Discuss at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x658587


Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 07:17 AM by leveymg
Almost exactly a year ago, it looked lIke Rove was about to be indicted by Fitzgerald after the U.S. Attorney discovered the existence of an email Rove had sent to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley after Rove spoke with TIME Magazine's Matt Cooper on July 11, 2003.

Rove did not disclose the existence of the email to Hadley during his first two appearances before the grand jury. Rove had falsely testified ....

..............

After learning that Rove was intimately involved in the decisions to improperly dismiss U.S. Attorneys, and that five million White House e-mails were "lost", questions about why Rove wasn't indicted for withholding his e-mail in the Plame case arise again.

Why wasn't Rove indicted for Obstruction in withholding his e-mail from investigators, and perjury for lieing about this to the Grand Jury? Why haven't there been additional indictments, and will justice be served?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 10:49 AM
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22. DU kpete: Justice Probes ABRAMOFF TIES TO WHITE HOUSE-Including Rove
kpete Mon Apr-16-07 08:49 AM
Justice Probes ABRAMOFF TIES TO WHITE HOUSE-Including Rove
DU discussion at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x664559


Justice Probes Abramoff Ties To White House
By SCOT J. PALTROW April 16, 2007; Page A7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x664559

The Justice Department's Public Integrity Section is investigating connections between disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and the White House, a probe that may be affected by missing White House emails. ....

...............

Disclosures last week that large numbers of Mr. Rove's White House email messages and those of other White House officials were erased and possibly permanently lost raised concern on Capitol Hill about possible destruction of evidence relevant to the Abramoff-White House inquiry.

People with direct knowledge of the investigation say that all of Mr. Abramoff's email correspondence was preserved and turned over to prosecutors, including those with the White House. But it isn't clear to what extent Mr. Rove and others in the White House may have exchanged messages among themselves, or with others outside, pertaining to Mr. Abramoff,......

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:27 AM
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23.  "...it was still called the Presidential Records Act. Not the Presidential Records Suggestion."
The missing e-mails - A Register-Guard Editorial
Published: Monday, April 16, 2007
http://www.registerguard.com/news/2007/04/16/ed.edit.emails.phn.0416.p1.php?section=opinion

Last time we checked, it was still called the Presidential Records Act. Not the Presidential Records Suggestion.

.....

.... the Bush administration, in particular political adviser Karl Rove and his foot soldiers, seem to have taken the law's hard and clear requirements, as, well, a list of helpful hints that they're free to ignore.

.................

It's hard to believe that employees of an administration that has been in office for six years are still fuzzy on their legal obligation to preserve any and all presidential materials. That raises the unsettling possibility that Rove and other White House employees may have used the RNC system to shield their communications - not just on the firing of U.S. attorneys but possibly on a range of other matters - from public scrutiny.

Congress should be unrelenting in its demands that the White House produce copies of all e-mails that deal with the prosecutor firings. Meanwhile, the White House should do whatever is necessary to recover the lost e-mails and provide them to Congress. It also should shut down this and any other system of back-channel communications.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:35 AM
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24. Computerworld: Opinion: White House e-mails lost? What a joke!
Opinion: White House e-mails lost? What a joke!
This country needs some clear laws around e-mail retention
Steve Duplessie
April 16, 2007 (Computerworld) -- http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=standards_and_legal_issues&articleId=9016700&taxonomyId=146&intsrc=kc_feat


Q: Steve, did you see that the White House has now "lost" e-mail records? -- J.M. Acton, Mass.

A: I did. They didn't. They are hiding them -- there is a big difference.

A Washington Post story states that the issue surrounding the mess is one of inappropriate protocol -- i.e. folks using e-mail accounts they weren't supposed to -- but that is just a smoke screen. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel stated that the White House staff hadn't been properly tought how to save "politically oriented e-mail," but that it has since developed new guidelines for more than 20 staffers who have official or politically-oriented e-mail addresses. ....

............

First of all, I don't believe the e-mails are lost. I don't believe they can't be found by a 25-year-old Microsoft administrator in an hour,.....

So let's just play along for a bit. The White House lost data. E-mail records, required by law to be produced as evidence, are no longer able to be produced. Electronic discovery is not possible. If this were a business, or a civil trial, the fines would be huge and the possibilities of other penalties would loom large.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:39 AM
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25. Tim Reid in the timesonline: E-mail Watergate scandal threatens Bush
From The Times - April 16, 2007
E-mail Watergate scandal threatens Bush
Tim Reid in Washington
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1658016.ece


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The make-or-break appearance by Mr Gonzales before the Senate Judiciary Committee comes as Mr Bush faces a fresh scandal brought about by Democrat investigations into why the lawyers were dismissed. The White House has admitted that up to five million e-mails, including thousands by Karl Rove, Mr Bushs chief political adviser, are missing.

The controversy involving the dismissed Republican prosecutors, which began amid Democrat claims that they were victims of a White House witch-hunt, threatens to become a full-blown scandal with the revelation of the deleted e-mails, which by law must be preserved.

The White House agreed yesterday to let an outside expert enter the relevant White House offices to help to recover the deleted e-mails from computer hard drives.

The root of the e-mail controversy lies in Democratic efforts to discover what role the White House, and Mr Gonzales, played in dismissing the lawyers. Both claimed no role initially. E-mails subsequently turned over by the White House and the Justice Department to the Democrat-controlled Congress have revealed those original denials to be false, and that Mr Rove and Mr Gonzales were involved in discussions about which lawyers to dismiss.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:43 AM
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26. MEMO from Gonzales: "any e-mail relating to official business qualifies as a presidential record
From Kathy Gill, U.S. Politics: Current Events on About.com, a NY Times web site.
White House Policy: Save E-mails Yourself
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/208074.htm


We learned last week that the White House has lost about 5 million e-mails and has no record of four years of Karl Rove's GOP e-mail. The White House says that it did not properly advise staff on how to archive non-White House mail. But LA Times reports that the White House policy was clear, dating back to the start of the Bush Administration:

White House employee manuals distributed in early 2001 made it clear that any e-mails containing discussion of official matters should be preserved...

memorandum from then-White House General Counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, who is now attorney general, caution employees that "any e-mail relating to official business qualifies as a presidential record."...

The manual adds: "If you happen to receive an e-mail on a personal account which otherwise qualifies as a presidential record, it is your duty to insure that it is saved as such by printing it out and saving it or by forwarding it to your White House e-mail account," the manual said...

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 11:53 AM
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27. Robert Reich: Pundit: White House wants it 'difficult for people to vote'
Robert Reich points to one of the core issues.
I would like to see past election rregularities in that mix as the motivator for the RUSE.

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Pundit: White House wants it 'difficult for people to vote'
David Edwards - Published: Sunday April 15, 2007
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Pundit_White_House_wants_it_difficult_0415.html


On Sunday's edition of ABC's This Week, pundit Robert Reich suggests the core issue behind the US attorney firings and missing White House emails. Reich says, "I think the question here is that once you start asking, 'Should the emails have been disclosed?' -- 'Which emails to disclose?' -- is that the public loses sight of what the big issue is in the background."

Reich continues, saying, "The issue at stake here has to do with what the White House was trying to do with the US attorneys. What the White House was trying to do in terms of, perhaps, creating a public image of voter fraud across this country that would entitle the White House to make it more difficult for people to vote. That seems to be to be a very large issue that needs to be discussed."

The following video clip is from ABC's This Week.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:28 PM
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28. WHITE HOUSE: Q "Does the President not remember having a phone conversation with Senator Domenici...
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
April 16, 2007 - Press Briefing - 12:58 P.M. EDT

Press Briefing by Dana Perino
White House Conference Center Briefing Room
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070416-1.html


MS. PERINO: Good afternoon. I have several announcements and then we'll go to questions.

.............

Suzanne.

Q Can you give us an update on the emails from the RNC side and the White House side? Last week we talked about the organization, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a figure of 5 million missing emails. You had mentioned in the gaggle you thought -- you would check with the Office of Administration and perhaps that wasn't correct.

MS. PERINO: Look, the left-wing group, CREW, came up with a number of 5 million. We don't know where they came up with that number. We've told you what we know, which is that we are aware that there could have been some emails that were not automatically archived because of a technical issue. And we have talked with the Office of Administration about that, and we're looking into those details. But given the complex nature of this issue, it might take us a little while to identify those. We do, however, know that most -- all of those emails should be available on backup tapes. And so we'll continue to look at it. This is separate from the RNC accounts, and as soon as we have more information, we'll provide it.

Q Are you confident they're on backup tapes, or you're still in that phase of investigating?

MS. PERINO: There should be, and we just want to make sure that there are all of them. And, remember, there's a huge amount of email that comes in and out of the White House. And it's quite a feat for the IT folks to be able to keep up with software upgrades and storage and the amount of -- just the amount of traffic that's coming in and out on emails. On any given year, I think I've read upwards of 50 million emails are sent and received, not to mention forwarded or copied or blind copied, or all of those different features that you can use with email. So it's a massive number.

Q And what was the agreement between the White House Counsel and members of Congress regarding an independent investigator, computer IT?

MS. PERINO: Sure, that was regarding a separate issue, which is on the small number of people that have access to RNC-hosted email accounts, based on the job description that they have in order for them to avoid violating the Hatch Act. And the agreement that we came to was -- was suggested by Senator Leahy and Senator Specter, I believe, in which they said, why don't we work together to see if there's an outside consultant, forensics consultant that can help us identify if there are any potentially lost emails. Fred Fielding and the rest of the White House thought that was a reasonable idea. And so Fred Fielding and the Senator spoke on Friday, and their staffs are going to meet today to talk about how to move that process forward.

Q Is there any sense of a timetable, when you might have some more details?

MS. PERINO: No.

Q Weeks or days?

MS. PERINO: I don't know. I'm not going to put a date on it.

...................

Victoria.

Q Does the President not remember having a phone conversation with Senator Domenici about U.S. attorney Iglesias? Or is he clear that one did not take place?

MS. PERINO: I've never asked him that question. I do know that his vague recollection was that he had heard complaints. And then I'll refer you to his statement -- or his answer to a question that he got in Mexico, in which he was asked that question, and he said that he recalls being at a meeting on the Hill in which this issue was brought up -- a meeting of senators on the Hill in which it was brought up. But I've never heard anything about a phone call.

Q So he's never actually answered the question.

MS. PERINO: He answered the question. And I don't know anything about a phone call; I've never heard that -- except for questions from you all.

Q You mean the phone call --

MS. PERINO: I don't know that the President ever received a phone call. I don't have any record of that, or any recollection of it, and I've been dealing with this issue for many weeks.

Q When he was at the meeting on the Hill where it was brought up, it was Senator Domenici --

MS. PERINO: I don't think people remember, necessarily, who it was. And, remember, complaints about voter fraud cases were coming in from various different places.

Q Right. Just to be clear about this, then, Senator Domenici and the President, has there ever been a direct conversation between the two?

MS. PERINO: I don't know. I don't believe so, necessarily, about this particular issue, but remember, when -- the President sees members of Congress all of the time, and as I think I said last week, whenever a senator has the President's ear, whether the issue -- whether the topic of the meeting is the Iraq war supplemental, if they have a chance to talk about other issues, they will. And so I'm not going to rule it out, but I just can't say that Senator Domenici and the President ever had a one-on-one conversation about it.

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Discussion:

sabra Mon Apr-16-07 02:02 PM
WH blames the "IT folks" for the missing emails
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x668703
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:45 PM
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29. Michael Roston: Deleted e-mails could prompt obstruction of justice charges ..Rove, ...WH officials
Deleted e-mails could prompt obstruction of justice charges for Rove, other White House officials
Michael Roston
Published: Monday April 16, 2007
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Deleted_emails_could_prompt_obstruction_of_0416.html


A major government watchdog organization has warned that White House officials, including Karl Rove, could face a number of obstruction of justice charges for the way they used outside e-mail accounts and failed to properly archive e-mails on White House servers.

" Fitzgerald could decide to reopen the case," said Melanie Sloan, Executive Director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, referring to the probe over who leaked the identity of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson. "And if it turns out that e-mail was deleted from the RNC server as suggested by the Waxman letter, that could lead to new obstruction of justice charges."

Sloan was referring to a letter written by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) to various executive agency heads last week that suggested "White House officials retained the ability to delete e-mails form the RNC server until as recently as this month."

The Waxman letter referred to top White House adviser Karl Rove specifically.

"The RNC does not have any e-mails prior to 2005 for Mr. Rove," the California Democrat wrote. "One possible explanation is that Mr. Rove personally deleted his e-mails from the RNC server."

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 04:01 PM
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30. Eric Malone opednews.com: This is Your Countrys Shadow Government on Drugs.
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 04:02 PM by L. Coyote
Fox News In Charge of the Henhouse
by Eric Malone
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_eric_mal_070415_fox_news_in_charge_o.htm


This is Your Country.
This is Your Countrys Shadow Government on Drugs.

Last week we found out that there are Five Million E-mails missing from the White House (from March 2003 to October 2005), some of them involving the case of the Eight Fired U.S. Attorneys about which Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will testify on Tuesday. Then Department of Justice (DOJ) Spokesliar Dana Perino came out to explain that this is the first administration to operate in the era of instant communications.

Gee, really? I could have sworn that Oliver North and Richard Secord got caught with their hands in the Iran-Contra cookie jar when they thought they had deleted incriminating emails from the IBM PROFS system, only to have them turn up on the servers in the basement of the White House back in 1987.

And this is not the first time that Seor Torture has had email troubles. When Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald went looking for Karl Rove emails on the Valerie Plame CIA leak, he issued a subpoena to then-White House counsel Gonzales on January 22, 2004. Thoughtful Alberto gave everyone at the White House 12-hours notice to clean out their hard drives and purge their servers before delivering the subpoena.

And this is the guy who is in charge of making sure Justice is served?

.................

What could possibly be in those emails that is worth risking a prison sentence by obstructing justice and denying a subpoena?

Lets take a look at what weve found so far. ..............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 04:08 PM
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31. John Nichols: Hold Gonzales Accountable, Then Bush = "...the President was aware"
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 04:11 PM by L. Coyote
Hold Gonzales Accountable, Then Bush
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=186441


As Attorney General Alberto Gonzales prepares to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday, the official question is: Will the former White House counsel be able to talk himself out of a scandal involving the firing of US Attorneys, the politicization of federal prosecutions, Karl Rove's "lost" e-mails and the little matter of lying to Congress?

But that's not the question that matters.

Gonzales is finished. The best he can accomplish is a stay of execution ....

..............

...members of Congress, as well as the media and the American people, need to recognize that what is at stake now is not Alberto Gonzales' career. It is George Bush's presidency.

The great lost admission of the whole US Attorneys scandal came at a press briefing on March 13, when White House counselor Dan Bartlett acknowledged that the President was aware of complaints from Republicans around the country that US Attorneys were not using their positions to pursue the so-called "voter fraud" cases that the party had made a central focus of its efforts to erect barriers to voter participation--by eliminating same-day registration in the states where it is allowed, requiring Voter IDs and otherwise making it harder for Americans to participate in the political process.

"That information, it's incumbent upon us to share with the relevant Cabinet officers, incumbent upon the President to do that, as well," said Bartlett. "The President did that...."

...............

.... the firings of the eight are a secondary issue when compared to the question of what the 85 US Attorneys who were not fired did to keep their jobs--and to thwart the rule of law.

Bartlett inadvertently acknowledged Bush involvement in the most serious aspect of the scandal: the politicization of prosecutions ...

... the president was aware of, indeed supportive of, efforts by key players in his own party to prod U.S. Attorneys to do their bidding.

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