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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:18 PM
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Krugman: How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?
This is a thinking-person's article; somewhat longish, and repaying thought given to it.

Naturally, I fully expect almost everyone (on our side, pretending to be on our side, or republicans) to do the exact opposite, and instead run to this-or-that sentence as incontrovertible proof of that person's correctness about everything they want to be correct.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=1



It’s hard to believe now, but not long ago economists were congratulating themselves over the success of their field. Those successes — or so they believed — were both theoretical and practical, leading to a golden era for the profession. On the theoretical side, they thought that they had resolved their internal disputes. Thus, in a 2008 paper titled “The State of Macro” (that is, macroeconomics, the study of big-picture issues like recessions), Olivier Blanchard of M.I.T., now the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, declared that “the state of macro is good.” The battles of yesteryear, he said, were over, and there had been a “broad convergence of vision.” And in the real world, economists believed they had things under control: the “central problem of depression-prevention has been solved,” declared Robert Lucas of the University of Chicago in his 2003 presidential address to the American Economic Association. In 2004, Ben Bernanke, a former Princeton professor who is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, celebrated the Great Moderation in economic performance over the previous two decades, which he attributed in part to improved economic policy making.

Last year, everything came apart.

Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field’s problems. More important was the profession’s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable — indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed’s best efforts.

And in the wake of the crisis, the fault lines in the economics profession have yawned wider than ever. Lucas says the Obama administration’s stimulus plans are “schlock economics,” and his Chicago colleague John Cochrane says they’re based on discredited “fairy tales.” In response, Brad DeLong of the University of California, Berkeley, writes of the “intellectual collapse” of the Chicago School, and I myself have written that comments from Chicago economists are the product of a Dark Age of macroeconomics in which hard-won knowledge has been forgotten.

What happened to the economics profession? And where does it go from here?



Much, much more at linky.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:26 PM
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1. "Last year, everything came apart"
Really? Did things really "come apart", or did the banker controlled media just tell us that the economy came apart?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:27 PM
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2. Always good to have verification of my predictions. Thanks.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:09 PM
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19. I suppose you approve of throwing trillions to already-rich bankers? (nt)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:25 PM
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20. Only when I'm not ethnically cleansing Bosnia.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:34 PM
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3. Um, I Beg To Differ Dr. Krugman. I Saw The Collapse Coming.
I saw the collapse coming and I posted as such numerous times on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x619161
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1767526
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1195491#1195801
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x296521#296805


You see, when you base on an entire economy solely on consumption, dramatically reduce borrowing costs which leads to asset inflation and speculation, and then allow cheap labor costs to rob jobs, then you have all the makings of a collaspe.

You had an entire nation borrowing way above their means and a declining jobs market.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:41 PM
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12. + 1000 for you - others saw this coming as well, they just do not get
the media attention.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:28 PM
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4. Shameless self-kick for an important article.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:32 PM
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5. Why is this allegation popular?
it took World War II to bring the Great Depression to a definitive end.

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:45 PM
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14. Probably because that's what was taught in compulsory-level history.
I don't know if it's still taught. Might be worth a check with the K-12 teachers.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:04 PM
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18. I always assumed it was the full-employment thing.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 08:53 AM
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21. "it took" doesn't sound like mere reporting of a past event
For example, if I say that "it took twelve strong people to carry Howard Hughes' coffin", then it sounds as though the coffin was very heavy. Suppose that the person managing the funeral demanded that either one person carry the coffin using no more than one finger or twelve strong people carry the coffin. Then presumably some people would have said something like "Why? It doesn't take twelve strong people to carry the coffin." Now, it seems clear that if at the time one can correctly say "it doesn't take", then later one cannot correctly say "it took."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:32 PM
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6. Bookmarking to read
on the weekend

K&R
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:59 PM
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7. K & R
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:59 PM
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8. K & R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:05 PM
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9. k&R
Mistaking Beauty for Truth !
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:06 PM
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10. krugman has no skin in the game
either directly in shaping policy nor in managing money, he instead sits on the sidelines and throws spitballs while being fawned upon by beltway socialites. His idea to nationalize all the banks would've been a great idea... not. They've since recapitalized and the market has zoomed up, creating what appears to be significant Q3 GDP growth. It's been reported that Obama has shut out Krugman because he believes he's naive, and I thank Barack for that wisdom.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:22 PM
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11. i am an art major
i saw this shit in 03'. really expecting since 04. i was pegged it would happen earlier. saw the housing boom in late 04'. guess liking history helps. but i never took an economics class either.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:43 PM
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13. Hubris
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:14 PM
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15. Outstanding read, thanks for posting
He's my favorite when it comes to the subject of economics. But I wonder of the worth of the profession if it's always accepted that there are bubbles and recessions happen. I guess they can calculate how big a stimulus should be.

And I guess they can control a money supply in good times to conquer massive booms and busts, but given the uncertainty he's talking about I'm not sure I would trust with my life either side of the equation. I mean it seems so hard for any good economist to predict this thing. They can be good once we're all screwed, but many that can fog a mirror can do that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:31 PM
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16. There's a lot involved, but yah - models are limited in their utility...
if they don't in general lead to useful predictions.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:36 PM
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17. Stupid free marketers...have no clue what to do now. Krugman
has it correct that Keynesian ideas were right all along.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 12:04 PM
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22. K&R
Krugman is spot on as is usually the case.
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