I want to bring a very small part of the CIA IG Report to your attention

[ThomWV]

I do not have a quote for this because I don't have a transcript of the report that I can cut text from but the part I am referring to is about 70 pages into it (I read it yesterday afternoon) and you shouldn't have any trouble finding it between the blacked out sections.

The Report indicates that a training session on how to administer the approved torture techniques was held to bring more Agency interrogators on board as the torture program advanced. The Report gives brief description of the training other than to say it was 2-weeks in duration. The first week, once again according to the Report, was class room study. Now the part I wanted to point out. The second week was devoted to hands-on practice. Hands-on.

Might I ask, who they were practicing on?

[LiberalEsto]

1. Hopefully, one another. nt

[lunatica]

2. If that were the case no one would torture

But maybe it was all mock torture, like using an empty bucket to stand in for the one filled with water during a waterboarding demo.

Or maybe they got to see the photos we've been denied. I'm sure some were taken precisely as lesson tools.

[lazer47]

3. I don't know about now,, but in '68 and '69 we "praticed" on each other in school

[LaurenG]

4. I'm guessing each other

and if they are anything like swat teams, hired to shoot to kill when necessary there is something off in the psych profile of those who would perform the torture especially after they've had a taste of it themselves.
I was trying to find links to the studies I've read about this but can't get far due to the cost of viewing the articles.

[babylonsister]

5. I bet this was SERE training...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=SERE+training&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=c9fe100d9e542c1e

[madokie]

6. I went through the Navy's S.E.R.E. training

Then stayed on for a tour of duty there. Best damn duty a navy seaman could ask for I might add. Upon my leaving there for 'Nam I was debriefed on what I could and could not disclose about the training. Its been so many years, '69, that I'm not sure what I can legally talk about even now so I don't talk about the training much as you'll notice from the other replies I've made concerning my time there. I know I can tell you where the school was, Warner Springs, Ca and the dates 1 '68 thru 6 '69 but... My orders to report to the school said FAETUPAC DET 6 and upon completion of the training I was told I would be staying there for a tour of duty. We averaged 100 people stationed there and they, except for one person who was a Hawaiian, were all white males with nearly half of the 100 being recently returned from 'Nam Navy Corpsmen. I'll stop there

I'd like to add that during the course of training by the time I was captured and taken to the concentration camp I knew it all to be true, as certain as the sun rises in the east. At that point I was sure that something went awry with the training and that I had actually been captured and this was for sure real. Amazing what the mind can and will do. This was true with all trainee's because if you weren't in the program by then you were removed from the training and sent on to your new, as of this, duty station. It was not going to be the place you were headed to before the training began either.

[global1]

7. I Got A Few Questions For You.........

You said,

"I was debriefed on what I could and could not disclose about the training. Its been so many years, '69, that I'm not sure what I can legally talk about even now so I don't talk about the training much as you'll notice from the other replies I've made concerning my time there."

I had a brother-in-law that was in the Navy 40 years ago and he was told not to disclose how he was trained nor what he did while in the Navy.

My question is - 1. who by and how are you told you can't talk about such things? and 2. what do they tell you will happen if you do disclose these things? and 3. is there a period of time after which passes that you can talk about these things - or is this for life? and 4. who's checking on you so you don't talk?

I know these sound like naive questions - but I'm curious of this as I've never been in the service and encountered any of this.

[madokie]

8. The person who was doing the talking was someone who I hadn't seen before

The captain of the base, who was a Navy Lieutenant in rank BTW, was there at the meeting as was one other person whom I didn't know. I do believe that there was a time limit put on some of what I could say but hell thats been 40 years ago and due to the fact I haven't been talking about this much all these years I don't remember much of what was said. I'm a 61 year old dude that has no intention of doing anything now that would jeopardize my freedoms as I go into the last of my years. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from when I say that. I was involved in the training but I was not one of the integrators. I know what I went through in my own integrations but not so much what others were. We didn't talk much about what each of our duties comprised of among ourselves as we all had gone through and graduated the school so we all had a pretty good idea what was going on with each of us and what our duty was. When we did talk about things it was more than likely with a little booze mixed in there to loosen those lips up so you can understand my not remembering any of that.

[global1]

9. Thanks For Your Reply....

I too am 61y/o. I didn't mean to pry and I wasn't asking you these questions for you to divulge anything. It just dawned on me after reading your post that there are many men/women like you that have been in the service and were told the same things you were about secrecy. I was just curious as to how that whole secrecy thing goes down. I imagine there are many Americans like you that served this country that feel much like you do. Seemed like an interesting topic.

[madokie]

10. If it makes you feel better

I never felt you were prying. I just wanted to make it clear where I am coming from. Let me tell you something about me personally. I still feel after all these years that the people who cut out and went to Canada and who took to the streets in opposition to my war were the ones who are the hero's because without them we would not have left VN when we did.

[ThomWV]

11. The context seems to indicate it was its own special training, not the SERE

They mention the SERE training elsewhere, in some detail to tell the truth. This seems to be a separate instance and though its not clear because of all the redactions it at least hints that the people who went through it were Agency employees. However, one other thing that stuck me, was that they all had to be "Certified" and that indeed they all were. So that means there is a document, or set of documents, somewhere that are the actual certifications. Those should be available under the Freedom of Information act though I would expect the names of the employees to be redacted. Who knows?