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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:53 PM
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Which is worse, DU? A bigot or a huckster?
I ask you DUers, which is worse???

First a few quotes to start us off as a refresher:

From our dear Ann:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant."

"People like you caused us to lose that war." (to a disabled vet)

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

"Press passes can’t be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.

"When we were fighting communism, OK, they had mass murderers and gulags, but they were white men and they were sane. Now we’re up against absolutely insane savages."

"I think should be armed but should not vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting — and your Communists will back me up on this — is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it’s always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."

"I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo."

And from our dear Michael:

"Don't talk about the majority of bums who live in tin huts, they shouldn't even vote...anyone who goes on welfare should lose their right to vote, they are parasites."

" is being taken over by the freaks, the cripples, the perverts and the mental defectives."

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pig! How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Okay, got another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bath house and is angry at me today?"

"To fight only the al-Qaida scum is to miss the terrorist network operating within our own borders... Who are these traitors? Every rotten radical left-winger in this country, that's who."

"With the population that has emerged, since they breed like rabbits, in many cases the whites will become a minority in their own nation... The white people don't breed as often for whatever reason. I guess many homosexuals are involved. That is also part of the grand plan, to push homosexuality to cut down on the white race"

"Gays bore the hell out of me. They're the least important members of our society."

"...these big-mouthed, phony scum of the ACLU, who should be rounded up, arrested for sedition. Their property seized, and they should be put into Abu Ghraib prison as far as I'm concerned. That wouldn't be enough of what I'd like to see done to the ACLU. They're the worst vermin America has ever tolerated. The worst vermin in the history of America are the vermin in the ACLU."

And from our dear Rush:

"Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares."

"...take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

"If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people -- I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let the stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies"

"The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit."


And we all now know about Don "Nappy-Headed Hos" Imus.

This whole episode has been utterly fascinating, from watching those who sprung to Imus' defense on the basis of free speech and his charity work, to those who see his detractors umbrage and his firing as "PC" gone amuck, to those who threw up smokescreens mouthed by FOX. And there have been the DUers who came forward with well-reasoned, thoughtful writings on language, race, and speech. I hope you all got a chance to read them all, as I have.

To be completely transparent in this discussion, I want to say that I am glad Don Imus was fired. He and his coworkers have a long history of truly disgusting, bigoted remarks, and I believe that there is no obligation for a tv/radio station or newspaper to carry that kind of speech. With prodding from the people who paid Imus' salary (the sponsors and the public), MSNBC made an internal decision they felt was right for their company. More power to them.

I want to focus on an issue that I have been disturbed by for years and was indirectly touched on by many DUers who, in their defense of Imus, talked about him not really being a bigot.

Which is worse? A bigot who says racist/sexist/homophic remarks because they (as disgusting as it is) truly believe those things or someone who plays a bigot and says racist/sexist/homophobic remarks because they garner ratings, large paychecks, and national prominence?

I have often wondered if the Anns and the Rushs and the Michaels and the Dons of radio/TV/punditry actually believe 99 percent of the shit they spew. I honestly don't know, though I have long suspected that many are nothing but master provocateurs hell bent on getting their piece of the hate industry gold rush.

About this I am certain, though: those who would feed the bigots of our country with their ugly remarks, who would give hatred validation and encourage the continuation of a mindset that should have died with the last century -- all in the pursuit of a dollar -- are the lowest form of life of all. Instead of being part of the solution to our country's problems, they set out chum for the bottomfeeders to gobble, making their money while pulling us one step further down the sewer. And I have nothing but the utmost contempt for those hucksters. At least a bigot -- as vile as they are -- are honest about themselves.

So, Don, (and Ann and Rush and Michael and...) which is it? Are you a bigot or a huckster?

On an aside, I heard a story last night from Bo Deitl (sp?) about how Imus was not a bigot and, in fact, had stopped by to pick up some kid -- an African-American kid -- on his way to his ranch. Hey Don, I dare you to look that child in the eyes and tell him or her that their Mom looks like a "nappy-headed ho" -- come on, I double dog dare you. I am willing to bet you wouldn't DREAM of saying something like that. If it's not okay to say to this child's face, then why the hell is it okay to say on the air? And why don't you learn a damn lesson about the ramifications of speech, while you're at it.

One down...so many to go...

Hell



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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:55 PM
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1. I totally agree - get all the republicans/conservatives off the air
They are a bad seed and need to be ripped out of the earth before they cause any more damage!

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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MousePlayingDaffodil Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:58 PM
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3. Why just off the air?
Shouldn't we also strive to shut down conservative newspapers, websites? blogs?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:59 PM
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4. Damn straight - I like the way you think
I'm thinking too small.

Bryant
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:03 PM
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6. And burn their books and then...
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 02:09 PM by jeff30997
Put them all in death camps!!!!:patriot:

Edited for the morons: :sarcasm:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:03 PM
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7. I don't know Death Camps is going too far
Once we eliminate them from our discourse we don't need to go any further than that I don't think.

But reasonable man can disagree.

Bryant
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:07 PM
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9. Ah? What? I baking powder ?
Ooooh,I see.I should have put the sarcasm impaired sign!

Here it is :

:sarcasm:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:09 PM
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10. But I assume you are fine with burning thier books?
I mean there's no reason to let that filth continue to exist.

Bryant
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:10 PM
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13. Read the edited post.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:15 PM
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15. So you are in favor of continuing to let conservative filth continue unabated
Perhaps you haven't heard but thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died thanks to the lies contained in the sorts of books you are defending.

Bryant
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:29 PM
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25. Yep! And that's exactly when fascism thrive:
When everyone is scared and there's a war so let's burn the books

and build death camps.

The Japaneses-Americans really enjoyed their experience in the 40's didn't they ?

I despise the repukes !!! But don't turn into nazis to fight them!

Ahhh! Some peoples need that everything be explained to them.:eyes:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:58 PM
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2. K&R...I hate them all...n/t
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:02 PM
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5. None of them make any sense.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:05 PM
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8. i am having a major deja vu. seriously. n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:09 PM
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11. K/R . n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:10 PM
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12. Imus v iPod?
Which is worse? A bigot who says racist/sexist/homophic remarks because they (as disgusting as it is) truly believe those things or someone who plays a bigot and says racist/sexist/homophobic remarks because they garner ratings, large paychecks, and national prominence?

How about entertainers who use "racist/sexist/homophic" words and images "because they garner ratings, large paychecks, and national prominence?"
I'll wager most young people have much worse-than-Imus language on their iPods.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:25 PM
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17. I'm not too thrilled about them either...
though I do fiercely admire comedians/artists who provoke discussions on race/sex/politics etc through their art. Jon, Stephen, South Park, Dave Chappelle -- all examples of using art to enlighten, provoke, and form the dialogue.

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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:11 PM
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14. If the right wing noise machine was so powerful how did we win in 2006?
We should call for more civility but not censorship.

A lot of what is on this board lately really makes me wonder if we aren't as fascist as we thing the right is.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:21 PM
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16. This is how you get civility in a capitalist society
If any one of us had called a customer or client a "nappy headed ho", we'd have been fired. Same for Don Imus. If we'd start defending that action, maybe we could put a little fear in the rest of these hate-radio idiots and force them to tone it down. But nooooo, we totally let them frame the entire debate, AGAIN, and lose another battle to restore sanity and informed democracy.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:42 PM
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19. We won inspite.
The fact that some 30%+ of Americans still believe in Bush tells you the power of the RW Noise Machine.

As for censorship, I think that is a bullshit issue. Don can scream from the rooftops for the next 100 years about "nappy-headed hos", he can print it in books, he can say it in front of paying audiences, he can write it on a blog, he can tattoo it on his chest for all I give a shit. It is his right to be an asshole and to say it loud and proud. But Procter and Gamble does not have to fund it and MSNBC does not have to broadcast it.

I am all for civility. But in our march forward for equility, our side's civility has been met with hoses, dogs, hate speech, bombings, arson, and murder. If they play nice, I will play nice. But whenever the other side refuses to take the civil route, I'll happily call my radio stations, broadcast networks, advertisors, and anyone else who pays the bigots/hucksters to spew. :shrug:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:27 PM
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18. Bo Dietl is klansman number 1.
He's scrambling to save Imus because he acts as a fill-in host when Imus is out.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:46 PM
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21. The man is a neanderthal....
no wait!, that's an insult to neanderthals! :D

I have seen him over the years on various outlets, and the guy just comes across like a complete throwback. :scared:

They are freaked the whites only boys' club is being dismantled.

Tough.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:46 PM
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20. excellent question, bigot or actor? Con or Troll? Earnestness or Satire?
When I think of Ann Coutler I think of Sara Silverman.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:53 PM
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22. I love Sarah Silverman...
and defended her with friends when she got in trouble for her jury duty joke.

Good satire is great.

As long as everyone is in on the joke.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:11 PM
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23. oh we're all "in on the joke"
It's hardly clever. "I just said something bigoted. But I'm not a bigot so it's funny!"

Maybe it's just lousy comedy?



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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:26 PM
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24. is it okay to yell "Fire!" is a crowded theater? . . .
because that's what Imus, Rush, Coulter and the rest are doing on a daily basis . . . at a time when we desperately need to find ways to bring people together, these low-lifes do everything they can to tear people apart . . . instead of using their not inconsiderable power to help us find our common humanity, they use it instead to exacerbate our differences -- and in some cases even create differences that hadn't previously existed . . .

I'm all for free speech, but the damage that right wing talk radio is doing to this nation is comparable to someone yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire . . . when their talk endangers others, or society as a whole, trying to get them off the air is a noble endeavor, imo . . .
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